Legality of celeb sites (anybody with info please respond) - GoFuckYourself.com

kush · 06-19-2004, 03:51 AM

I was hoping that some people here could point me in the right direction as to where I could read up on the legality of celeb sites. What I can and can?t do, where to get my content, etc.

I tend to shy away from the more risqué parts of adult, and as of now I consider celebs to be in that mix. However the sheer volume of search engine traffic for celeb related searches makes me feel like I?m leaving money on the table by not promoting it? but at the same time the last thing I want is a potentially disastrous law suit from a celebrity because I do already have quite a good thing going for me....

Anyways, I would appreciate any ** good information and recommendations ** that you all could provide me on this matter.

I have already emailed the contact over at mrskincash.com, and I thought I would ask here as well. Thanks in advance!

http · 06-19-2004, 04:00 AM

Keep shying away

StarkReality · 06-19-2004, 04:19 AM

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I tend to shy away from the more risqué parts of adult, and as of now I consider celebs to be in that mix.

Yup, that's a right consideration, there may be a difference is fake and real celeb content, but in general it's a niche I wouldn't dare to touch...I prefer to earn cash I can spend myself instead of making my lawyer happy.

kush · 06-19-2004, 07:34 AM

Bump for more info

Hank_Heartland · 06-19-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush
I was hoping that some people here could point me in the right direction as to where I could read up on the legality of celeb sites. What I can and can?t do, where to get my content, etc.

I tend to shy away from the more risqué parts of adult, and as of now I consider celebs to be in that mix. However the sheer volume of search engine traffic for celeb related searches makes me feel like I?m leaving money on the table by not promoting it? but at the same time the last thing I want is a potentially disastrous law suit from a celebrity because I do already have quite a good thing going for me....

Anyways, I would appreciate any ** good information and recommendations ** that you all could provide me on this matter.

I have already emailed the contact over at mrskincash.com, and I thought I would ask here as well. Thanks in advance!

Kush,

I am the contact at mrskincash

I was not in the office Friday and won't be in office til Monday...but if you need an answer before then send a copy of your email to [email protected] and I will get back to you this weekend

Hank_Heartland · 06-19-2004, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by StarkReality
Yup, that's a right consideration, there may be a difference is fake and real celeb content, but in general it's a niche I wouldn't dare to touch...I prefer to earn cash I can spend myself instead of making my lawyer happy.

*Bump* all you guys who love leaving lots of money on the table

Celeb is the largest niche this and that will always be the case!

We have been doing celeb since 1998 and never had one problem

When you do it right u rule the world.

We have the top 5 movie companies sending us videos before release for screening, we are on 500 radio station, sextv in Canada, BBC in UK, book being published by ST Martin the largest publisher of research books and a cable TV show as well as regular appearances on Howard Stearn

So, if you are scared to play...the more I get paid

smit · 06-19-2004, 08:49 AM

i have the domain www.ce1ebs.com for sale if anyone wants to make use of it.

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-19-2004, 08:58 AM

Is it allowed to photoshop them and sell them?

Hank_Heartland · 06-19-2004, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by DutchAdultDesigner
Is it allowed to photoshop them and sell them?

Read my lips...NO IT AIN'T

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-19-2004, 09:04 AM

I can read that

Hank_Heartland · 06-19-2004, 09:06 AM

Also not legal to use there names in meta tags and urls unless you do it the right way

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-19-2004, 09:39 AM

What do you mean by the right way?

serious · 06-19-2004, 11:51 AM

Hanks laying down the knowledge

one thing I noticed on one of xxxcash's celeb sites they had brooke burkes playboy shoot on their tour, so im guessing they just hope no one notices?

frankthetank · 06-19-2004, 12:12 PM

could use some info too so big BUMP for frankthetank

Greyhat · 06-19-2004, 12:17 PM

So Hank. Give us Celeb Sites 101. What are the basic guidlines so we don't get ourselves and you in trouble?

kush · 06-19-2004, 06:06 PM

I'm in no rush Hank, this is definitely something I want to learn about thoroughly before deciding to go into it.

If I do it, I definitely want to do it the right way ;)

pornstar2pac · 06-19-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin

We have the top 5 movie companies sending us videos before release for screening, we are on 500 radio station, sextv in Canada, BBC in UK, book being published by ST Martin the largest publisher of research books and a cable TV show as well as regular appearances on Howard Stearn

So, if you are scared to play...the more I get paid

can you send me a copy of the next movie Cameron Diaz is in?

DamageX · 06-19-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin
Also not legal to use there names in meta tags and urls unless you do it the right way

And the right way is...?

kush · 06-20-2004, 02:40 AM

DarkJedi · 06-20-2004, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by pornstar2pac
can you send me a copy of the next movie Cameron Diaz is in?

Trax · 06-20-2004, 03:08 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-20-2004, 04:52 AM

Bump

cj_purve · 06-20-2004, 05:09 AM

looking forward to learning something in this thread from the king of celebrity

kush, our sites are 100% licensed - our partner is a large paparazzi agency with photographers all over the world - they provide the content, we build the sites.

We've got a basic list of rules that we've agree upon with them based on potential legal issues from the celebrities ... but most of the potential legal problems with celebrity sites are from photographers and owners of trademarks (& names).

In the case of a site like Mr Skin, pr companies for movies *want* them to be in there, so they turn a blind eye to the 'grey' licensing area because the publicity *far* outweighs the loss. I've watched the site evolve over the years from a totally not legal archive of movie clips to an in demand media outlet for celebrity news. Hank, as you mentioned - you even have companies sending you stuff now?!?! awesome ;-)

Here's my top 'what NOT to do if you want to be legal' ...

1) Don't make false claims. eg: 'britney is drunk' = bad ... 'britney is drunk?' = grey ... 'britney goes wild' = passable. Same goes for 'click here for britney sex tape'. THERE IS NO BRITNEY SEX TAPE!!!

2) Don't use names like 'playboy' ... 'alyssa milano' (psycho mother) LOL ... or any other 'name' which is known to send lots of c&d's. If you really want to mention a celebrity name, put it into content - ie, write some paragraph text.

3) Fakes, porno sites etc are the riskiest. IF a celebrity is going to sue for offensive or untrue material, they will start with "Ally McBeal takes a 10 inch cock" & similar. State clearly somewhere on the site its fake if you go this road.

4) Using photos scanned from magazines or taken from other websites is breaching the photographers copyright on the images. The chances of you being found are probably slim - but you just never know!

Kush, if you are planning on SEO, I hope you will consider looking through our site list first! there's a few keywords next to each site - http://www.celebritybling.com/sites.html

Working on male celebrity sites now, but i'm going a little .... slower ...

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by DutchAdultDesigner
What do you mean by the right way?

If you are going to use a stars name at all it has to be in a way it is reporting info or news or going to a page that is doing that

Can't be going to just pics or galleries

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
Hanks laying down the knowledge

one thing I noticed on one of xxxcash's celeb sites they had brooke burkes playboy shoot on their tour, so im guessing they just hope no one notices?

That's an accident waiting to happen cause playboy will always go after you

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Greyhat
So Hank. Give us Celeb Sites 101. What are the basic guidlines so we don't get ourselves and you in trouble?

Make your pages informational not just pic galleries.

Make your links something link 'For nude news on Jalo' not 'Jalo naked' etc...

When you are SOE'ing use real info not just jibberish.

Never use stars name in bad light.

Never use fake pics.

Uses pics from movies not pics that star or photog own.

More later

{fusion} · 06-20-2004, 08:16 AM

good celeb tips

DarkJedi · 06-20-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by cj_purve
Same goes for 'click here for britney sex tape'. THERE IS NO BRITNEY SEX TAPE!!!

Wrong.
Using text links like "click here for britney sex tape" is perfectly legal. There are probably hundreds of britney sex tapes out there.

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-20-2004, 08:48 AM

But "click here for britney spears sex tape" is not?
But "click here for britney speers sex tape" is legal, or not?

Theo · 06-20-2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by cj_purve
THERE IS NO BRITNEY SEX TAPE!!!

there is,but we haven't found it yet

DarkJedi · 06-20-2004, 08:58 AM

the key is not to use "Britney Spears" name.

but you can use "Britney" however you want.

Paul Markham · 06-20-2004, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by DutchAdultDesigner
But "click here for britney spears sex tape" is not?
But "click here for britney speers sex tape" is legal, or not?

Best to keep to just Britney, then show them a Britney Smith or Jones, Speers might get you a lot of hassle from lawyers. Don't forget, he with the biggest wallet wins the most justice in the US.

nige · 06-20-2004, 09:37 AM

Lots of good info in this thread!

frankthetank · 06-20-2004, 10:07 AM

yea keep this topic going, some valuable stuff in here

kush · 06-20-2004, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
the key is not to use "Britney Spears" name.

but you can use "Britney" however you want.

That's pretty interesting, but I would think that while legally you ** could ** do it, that you may be asking for trouble by making implications like this.

Sure, you're not saying "Britney Spears sex tape," but to the average surfer you are implying it.

Btw, Hank and cj_purve, excellent replies, thank you for the information!

cj_purve · 06-20-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
the key is not to use "Britney Spears" name.

but you can use "Britney" however you want.

the sky is blue. no it isn't, its light blue!!!!!!!!!

ya wanna get that technical?!

if you lead a surfer to think there is a BRITNEY SPEARS sex tape, whether you spell her name right, use just her first name or whatever, you are potentially liable.

obviously the name 'britney' belongs to a number of girls. as if you would write text 'click here for britney sex tape' if you weren't trying to trick people into thinking it is britney spears.

bottom line ... offend the celebrity, and potentially get sued. simple as that.

>> Uses pics from movies not pics that star or photog own.

hank, there are *some* exceptions

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by pornstar2pac
can you send me a copy of the next movie Cameron Diaz is in?

Sure thing...just send me 100 joins and no problem

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cj_purve
looking forward to learning something in this thread from the king of celebrity

In the case of a site like Mr Skin, pr companies for movies *want* them to be in there, so they turn a blind eye to the 'grey' licensing area because the publicity *far* outweighs the loss. I've watched the site evolve over the years from a totally not legal archive of movie clips to an in demand media outlet for celebrity news. Hank, as you mentioned - you even have companies sending you stuff now?!?! awesome ;-)

CJ_Purve thanks for the raves...but you have got one thing wrong here...We have always been legal in what we do because what we do falls under fairuse of the copyright law. We are like Roger Ebert and anybody else who writes about movies who uses pics and clips to support their ratings and reviews

Papazzi sites brings in a different set of issues in that they are unlicensed pics of stars taken usually without their permission. We stay away from any unlicensed pics so I don't know much about how laws pertaining to them

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Wrong.
Using text links like "click here for britney sex tape" is perfectly legal. There are probably hundreds of britney sex tapes out there.

Here is an example of a link where you guys try to get slick and we get fucked everytime. Everyone knows what you are trying to do and we get nailed everytime. IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT IS DECEPTIVE...

Britney Spears has never done a sex tape and you are trying to play off her popularity to get SE traffic etc. You will get nailed by the star and you will get chargebacks from people looking for a Britney Spears sextape. Not good

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by DutchAdultDesigner
But "click here for britney spears sex tape" is not?
But "click here for britney speers sex tape" is legal, or not?

First one is wrong because britney spears has not done a sex tape. Even if she had, it is still wrong if she had done one if it's an illegal unlicensed tape.

The second is OK if britney speers is a real person who did a sex tape.

Hank_Heartland · 06-20-2004, 10:51 PM

>>hank, there are *some* exceptions

CJ, there are very few exceptions...But yes there are some

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-21-2004, 09:36 AM

Is it legal to have a site with a Britney Spears typo, then put a link their that says Clikc here for Britney's sextape and then link to a girl that LOOKS like her and is called Britney?

DutchAdultDesigner · 06-22-2004, 06:28 AM

Bump

Pornkings · 06-22-2004, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin
If you are going to use a stars name at all it has to be in a way it is reporting info or news or going to a page that is doing that

Can't be going to just pics or galleries

Kinda like Sexbrat.com

cj_purve · 06-23-2004, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin
CJ_Purve thanks for the raves...but you have got one thing wrong here...We have always been legal in what we do because what we do falls under fairuse of the copyright law. We are like Roger Ebert and anybody else who writes about movies who uses pics and clips to support their ratings and reviews

Ya got me there Hank :-) I don't remember you having ratings and reviews in the early days but after so many years my memory is obviously failing me!! I'm sure it helps that you probably sell a shitload of DVD's too ;-) I've a lot to learn about the technicalities of publishing movie stills etc!

I sent you an email last week re some biz but noticed you had been out of town ... looking forward to catching up with you when you are back.

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Papazzi sites brings in a different set of issues in that they are unlicensed pics of stars taken usually without their permission. We stay away from any unlicensed pics so I don't know much about how laws pertaining to them

not exactly ... celebrities are public figures ... 'unlicensed' refers to the photographers ownership of the photograph - our partnership ensures our photos are licensed. while yes, we do have a further risk associated with our sites due to the liability of pissed off celebrities, we aren't planning on making false claims like the tabloids do. Actual incidents of celebrities sueing are very small ... but we have excellent legal support in this area just in case LOL

Besides, many celebrities, especially non-a listers, actually call up agencies telling them where they will be at a certain time. For example, over half of our upskirts are staged ...

Hank, have you heard about the Colin Farrell movie that's just had a full frontal nude scene cut out of it because his large penis distracted viewers from the storyline?! If you happen to have a contact who can get it, I can provide the chick traffic

DatingGold · 06-23-2004, 12:36 AM

info: no idea

titmowse · 06-23-2004, 12:56 AM

you lucky bastards. i had to get hank on a bed to get this info.

Namzo · 06-23-2004, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by titmowse
you lucky bastards. i had to get hank on a bed to get this info.

Great thread so far. Thanks

Vitasoy · 06-23-2004, 01:23 AM

very informative.

optional · 06-23-2004, 01:02 PM

Who are all the Celeb Programs with real content that claim to be Legal?

Mr. Skin
Celebrity Bling
Pornkings Sexbrat

Any others?

06-19-2004, 03:51 AM	#1
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Legality of celeb sites (anybody with info please respond) I was hoping that some people here could point me in the right direction as to where I could read up on the legality of celeb sites. What I can and can?t do, where to get my content, etc. I tend to shy away from the more risqué parts of adult, and as of now I consider celebs to be in that mix. However the sheer volume of search engine traffic for celeb related searches makes me feel like I?m leaving money on the table by not promoting it? but at the same time the last thing I want is a potentially disastrous law suit from a celebrity because I do already have quite a good thing going for me.... Anyways, I would appreciate any good information and recommendations that you all could provide me on this matter. I have already emailed the contact over at mrskincash.com, and I thought I would ask here as well. Thanks in advance!

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Hank_Heartland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: chicago, il Posts: 3,987	Also not legal to use there names in meta tags and urls unless you do it the right way __________________ Icq = 459565429 AIM = butlerhankb http://stripperpins.com Twitter = @stripperpins Facebook = Stripperpins.com [email protected]

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serious Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,594	Hanks laying down the knowledge one thing I noticed on one of xxxcash's celeb sites they had brooke burkes playboy shoot on their tour, so im guessing they just hope no one notices? __________________ new search

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kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	bump

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http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	Keep shying away

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kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Bump for more info

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DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	Is it allowed to photoshop them and sell them?

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DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	I can read that

06-19-2004, 09:39 AM	#12
DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	What do you mean by the right way?

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frankthetank Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 616	could use some info too so big BUMP for frankthetank

06-19-2004, 12:17 PM	#15
Greyhat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 25	So Hank. Give us Celeb Sites 101. What are the basic guidlines so we don't get ourselves and you in trouble?

06-19-2004, 06:06 PM	#16
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	I'm in no rush Hank, this is definitely something I want to learn about thoroughly before deciding to go into it. If I do it, I definitely want to do it the right way ;)

06-20-2004, 04:52 AM	#22
DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	Bump

06-20-2004, 05:09 AM	#23
cj_purve Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,065	looking forward to learning something in this thread from the king of celebrity kush, our sites are 100% licensed - our partner is a large paparazzi agency with photographers all over the world - they provide the content, we build the sites. We've got a basic list of rules that we've agree upon with them based on potential legal issues from the celebrities ... but most of the potential legal problems with celebrity sites are from photographers and owners of trademarks (& names). In the case of a site like Mr Skin, pr companies for movies want them to be in there, so they turn a blind eye to the 'grey' licensing area because the publicity far outweighs the loss. I've watched the site evolve over the years from a totally not legal archive of movie clips to an in demand media outlet for celebrity news. Hank, as you mentioned - you even have companies sending you stuff now?!?! awesome ;-) Here's my top 'what NOT to do if you want to be legal' ... 1) Don't make false claims. eg: 'britney is drunk' = bad ... 'britney is drunk?' = grey ... 'britney goes wild' = passable. Same goes for 'click here for britney sex tape'. THERE IS NO BRITNEY SEX TAPE!!! 2) Don't use names like 'playboy' ... 'alyssa milano' (psycho mother) LOL ... or any other 'name' which is known to send lots of c&d's. If you really want to mention a celebrity name, put it into content - ie, write some paragraph text. 3) Fakes, porno sites etc are the riskiest. IF a celebrity is going to sue for offensive or untrue material, they will start with "Ally McBeal takes a 10 inch cock" & similar. State clearly somewhere on the site its fake if you go this road. 4) Using photos scanned from magazines or taken from other websites is breaching the photographers copyright on the images. The chances of you being found are probably slim - but you just never know! Kush, if you are planning on SEO, I hope you will consider looking through our site list first! there's a few keywords next to each site - http://www.celebritybling.com/sites.html Working on male celebrity sites now, but i'm going a little .... slower ...

06-20-2004, 08:16 AM	#27
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	good celeb tips

06-20-2004, 08:48 AM	#29
DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	But "click here for britney spears sex tape" is not? But "click here for britney speers sex tape" is legal, or not?

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DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	the key is not to use "Britney Spears" name. but you can use "Britney" however you want.

06-20-2004, 09:37 AM	#33
nige Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 435	Lots of good info in this thread!

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frankthetank Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 616	yea keep this topic going, some valuable stuff in here

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Hank_Heartland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: chicago, il Posts: 3,987	>>hank, there are some exceptions CJ, there are very few exceptions...But yes there are some __________________ Icq = 459565429 AIM = butlerhankb http://stripperpins.com Twitter = @stripperpins Facebook = Stripperpins.com [email protected]

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DutchAdultDesigner Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 55	Is it legal to have a site with a Britney Spears typo, then put a link their that says Clikc here for Britney's sextape and then link to a girl that LOOKS like her and is called Britney?

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06-23-2004, 01:23 AM	#49
Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	very informative. __________________ [email protected]

06-23-2004, 01:02 PM	#50
optional Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 94	Who are all the Celeb Programs with real content that claim to be Legal? Mr. Skin Celebrity Bling Pornkings Sexbrat Any others?