I do not know how Clicktruth works exactly, thats why I want to talk to johnnyv. but what I am fearing is far worse. They say they get postback data from billers. I do not know of many billers that can postback to more than one location, and most affiliate systems will need the data postback going to them. Which gives clicktruth two choices as far as I see right now:
1) make the program send on the postback, which is rather unlikely since now the program has control over shaving again
2) clicktruth sends the postback on to the program, which would scare the shit out of me because what if clicktruth goes down?


Again, I do not know the details of clicktruth, so the above might be absolutely wrong, but thats how it sounds like to me right now.

bump. :Graucho

IMHO the data would have to hit the clicktruth system prior to the affiliate program to ensure that no shaving is happening.

If it hit the affiliate script first you could always tunnel data back to the clicktruth shit through a proxy and dynamically "drop" sales from passing back...

nice seeing you in SD Oystein! Congrats on the new release good stuff! :)

Great seeing you too Mike! It was a blast.

And thanks for the good words about our release. It is a kick ass product with no real comparison :-)

Oystein

with all respect, I gotta say MPA3 is doomed because of dishonesty. Not by yours, but due to the option you gave to your customers.

Let's face it, nobody wants MPA* because of the cascade, which is easy to set (in the worse scenario surfer will need to fill a different form), nor because of the (great) affiliate management area, but because of the combo of shaving+cascade feature. I mean, maybe there are a few program owners that aren't interested in it, but I doubt they're a crowd.

Now, as somebody with great logic asked, what will happen if somebody who paid 10-15k because of the shaving feature looking to recoup that money by shaving lose this option all of the sudden? Or what will be happen when affiliates start to see the real stats which can be as high as 1,200%? (for what I know, maybe even higher) They all will say: fuck MPA! Thus, I'm pretty sure the shaving option is there and stronger than ever.

Now, for all the saints and naives here, believe me most aff programs, at least all those I know have a shaving mod included by default or that you can ask to be installed. Furthermore, since most of them are way less expensive than MPA, they're installed at a lot of programs, specially the smaller ones. I'll go even further: if an aff script does not have a shaving option, then 90% of people won't buy it


So get off your cloud, if you wanna stop shaving, then act against it. You'll need creativity, knowledge and some effort, but it's relatively easy to find out who's shaving and who's not. It's relatively easy to find out the EXACT amount of signups you sent, MPA or not. Now, if you want to do it, it's another thing. In the meanwhile, trust nobody


:winkwink:

:Graucho http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=312754

Mick / ?nufsaid?,

Mansion was always ready to help you to make the most of the program you paid for. You just didn?t do the basic work people have to do to make any system work, then you threatened lawsuits, now you are here posting slander. If you worked half as hard on your business as you do threatening to call out the lawyers, you would be rich already. You simply owe an apology to the people whose money you wasted in the adult business ? not a new story to those on this board.

For those webmaster who are hardworking professionals, the MPA3 program is a solid new product that will bring webmasters and affiliates more cash for their efforts. We expect all of our users to upgrade to MPA3. We listened and heard webmaster concerns on this board and elsewhere, so the MPA3 will meet the highest standards of business honesty, are shown by our integration of the new program with Clicktruth verification. Mansion was the first to make affordable cascading publicly available to all affiliate programs, and we are still the best. The fact is, if your affiliate program is using the MPA3, you will get more signups and make more money, and with Clicktruth, you will get all the facts about your stats.

So many lost dreams end up here with frustration spread around wherever they seem fit. Jealousy is a dangerous downfall.

Anyways, Mick, I am sorry that your business plan didn?t work out for you and that your dream about fame and fortune in the adult industry ended before it started. This is usually what happens to incompetent people.

It is not the first time I have seen "companies" come out with a dream, only to fall flat on their face when they fail.

This industry is better without you.

Good luck in your future ventures.

PS. Please come down and visit. We reside in sunny California (from where we do business as well as in Nevada) as well as and you can find all the contact info you need on our website. We enjoy company with sincere and serious webmasters who can bring something to the table.

Sincerely,
Oystein Wright

+1 310 822 2844 office
+1 310 871 5202 cell

Be sure to contact me with any business questions and I will be more than happy to answer them all.

Well, they sure proved that pibcash doesn't shave. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

was pibcashing using them?

Yes.

I assume PIBcash was using them after the first time they were caught shaving and were still able to continue to shave using clicktruth?

That's pretty sad if it's true

That's correct, clicktruth.com is a scam. They came and posted that exact same long ass form post in a pib cash thread. If I'm wrong they can sue me, but they won't, because they're a scam. I wouldn't use any program that uses them, to me it just proves that they ARE shaving and trying to hide it.

Before you clickthruth guys try to lie about what I just said, be aware that I have several interesting screenshots you'd probably rather I didn't have.

Post them? :Graucho

nothing new here

ONCE THIEF ALWAYS THIEF:321GFY

I hope this one don't have the shaving option! :Graucho

Incredible.

What goes on on this board is pure bullshit from beginning to end. Looking for truth here is looking in vain.

First of all, please post your screenshots.


Secondly, congratulations on getting me to reply to you Rich, I've never done it before, but what you are saying is so incredibly wrong, that I simply had to. Where you got your information is beyond me, but you couldn't be more wrong. Are you in my office and I don't know it. Are you an account rep for The Porn Posse, and Iim not aware of it? How could you possibly think you know what goes on at my company, and with our auditing system to the point where you attempt to destroy my credibility, and my business model. Just because you hear something on this board Rich does not make it truth.

You are right on one point. What you are saying is liabelous. It is cause for civil action, as when you say my business is a scam, and slander my credibility, keep in mind the burdon of proof falls on you. I understand that you are too much of a child to realize that yourself, but keep in mind the laws apply to you the same way they do to grown ups.

Thirdly, it is impossible that we put this same post in a Pibcash thread, because the person who wrote that previous post is no longer with us. We do not have form threads. How you think you know so much about my company is beyond me, but before you begin to profess such knowledge, I would suggest you start with some facts, because the more you write, the more and more incorrect your statements become.

Here is the truth. Pibcash contacted Clicktruth after their embarrassment on the boards several months back. Although we knew what sort of trouble they were in, we wanted to give them an honest shot. Although we tried a little traffic through the system they never went through with the complete integration, and they were never audited. They are not part of the group of webmasters we recommend. That does not mean that we think they shave. It means that we never went through with the process of finding out, and I am not going to say something I am not positive of on this public board.

Clicktruth is not a scam. If you knew how it worked you would know that it could not be a scam. (Altrhough you seem to know so much about my business that it seems logical that you know how it works). It is as truthful an indication of integrity that you can have in this space. Why you would seek to slam it is beyond me. It's like slamming Consumer Reports. An intelligent person wouldn't do that. We simply report on information that we collect from programs that have nothing to hide.

There is only one type of person who would like to see Clicktruth fail, and those are the people who shave. Anyone else should welcome the opportunity to have each hit counted, each sign-up credited, and an opportunity to have a third party verify their own claim that they do not shave. This system doesn't hurt anyone.

People who are uninitiated to real business, or who are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend verification, or a simple report on data collected, also tend to see anything that they do not understand as a threat; sort of like a cow.:321GFY

Oystein Wright

Keep to things you know and love, like taking money for shit software. We have been in this biz a lot longer than you and have pissed on bigger ass holes then you, any old timers here will know the names DMR, Nick Nolter to name but two. When we started there was only 25 adult sites listed on Yahoo. So please try and get an idea of who you are talking about.

99% of webmasters that read this board have already seen you for what you are. You fucked us now we are going to return the favour.

Post your address Oystein and we will come visit.

No.... you've been lied to, or... given wrong info.

PiBCash had an in house developer who wrote their software. It was NOT mpa2.

The screen shots and everything out there about them was very different from the mpa2 software.

Cool dude :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Most intelligent question in this thread.:thumbsup

:ugone2far

If anybody has any questions about the way that Click Truth functions, feel free to email me: [email protected]

or icq me at 23231873

we weren't talking about mp2 with Pibcash... we were talking about clicktruth and if pibcash was using clicktruth when they were caught shaving the second time. But from what the clicktruth guy is saying, pipcash never actually started using their system.

ok, gotchya :thumbsup