good luck with it

I'm just wondering, but what are you going to do when upgrading MPA2 programs that shave right now to MPA3? If MPA3 does does not support it AT ALL does that mean the stats will suddenly change to the real numbers for the previous month? Or will you hardcode the shaved stats (meaning even the program owner will nolonger see the real numbers)? Or might you just not upgrade those to MPA3?

If the upgrade to mpa3 is free from mpa2.. and mpa3 doesn't support shave but mpa2 does... I'd drop a sponsor NOT upgrading, without even blinking an eye. :)

Thats one of the many points I tried to make with my post ;)

And yes, the upgrade is free.

Axeman...why would that be a big mistake?
Lets see, adding 20 to 30% to the bottom line of sales that we normaly would never see? Making more money for all of our webmasters? Not being subject to if our only processor for what ever reason goes belly up we are out of biz?



Programs dont cheat...people do...

My apologies to Oyestein, I misread your post.

Exactly, and people are no more than human. Keep tempting them and they'll eventually give in to the temptation. It's only a matter of time until they do.

Steve..thanks for that...makes us feel good...we work very hard to put a good product on the market, we go to the shows to talk to webmasters about what they are thinking and there needs. The thing that must be considered is this, just because a program has a function for shaving, or what ever ..why would we as a company ever risk that? Why be so stupid and short sided to make a few extra bucks and ruin our good name and hurt others.

It will not be the program or any program that steals it will be the people that run it...saying that we look at this new entry into to the market as a great advantage to help not hurt everyone. We plan on seeing a great deal more money float into the % for everyone.

We will be at the Internext show in Florida, look forward to meeting you if you are going!

DamageX ...come on...everyone is not that way. I spent the entire 1980's and the 1990's getting ripped at my nightclubs and coffee houses, dont like the way it feels.

There is sooooo much money to go around, I cant speak for everyone out there, but I can speak for us, while I am alive and in control of our systems with Joey that is something that would never ever happen. What would be the point? To make what, a few extra bucks, for what? So much money is available for the "long haul" this biz is not going anywhere...our long range plan is to be around and make money, go to shows meet everyone and look at people right in the eye and know that what we doing is 100%. :thumbsup

Umm well we are not going to get anything from this:

a) MPA3 owners tell us thet the shave feature is there, then none of us will trust ever any MPA3 sponsor program. So good bye to MP3.

b) MPA3 owners tell us that the shave feature has been removed, well will us believe them? No, look at A) and you will know why.

And about being shaved, well i find almost as easy to shave webmasters that use sponsor hosted gals, they just need to add a small piece of code to the gallery scripts to change our ref code once every 1000 hits to the gals. If a sponsor wants to shave they don't need to buy MPA3, there are lots of other options. We can only trust the program owners ad try to catch the cheaters as we are doing right now.

I also agree that since now all MPA3 programs that don't pay the $1000 fee to clickthrought will be called cheaters even if they aren't, i'm sure that this are good news for clickthrought.

Ingenious idea, increases bottom line by .1%

Well i would be happy enought having for free a .1% from any BIG sponsor, wouldn't you? the sponsors thay by MPA3 are not the ones that generate a few sales per day so even a 0.1% means a good amount. Also if you're as worried about the small amount, just edit the code and put a 100 or even 10 where i said 1000, it all depends on the sponsor program owner, the same with MPA3 or any software, the sponsors are who shave us, the scripts don't need to shave as they don't drive expensive cars ;)

Selling an affiliate program with a feature that allows you to "steal" from your affiliates is a great idea.. it allows all the small players to actually get somewhere in the game and compete with the big boys.. they can SAY that they pay 50$PS when before they could barely afford to SAY they pay $25, in reality, it's still $25 or less, but you don't know.. because they use MPA(x) or similar super shave friendly affiliate program!

Oystein,

Good luck with MPA3. WTS/ACHdebit is pleased to be able to offer our services to your clients!


:thumbsup

You people seem to forget that Clicktruth and any service like it are a load of bullshit.

Ever heard of bribes?

The most secure option is to get paid direct from the processor.

That is highly doubtful but if that is the case its nice to know you endorse shaving modules.

This is a crock of shit. 99% of the scripts people buy are compiled which means that people cannot edit them.

You know what that means? That if the script isnt built in with shaving it never will have shaving... thanks for coming out though

Spot on. Make it easier to shave and more shaving will occur. MPA :321GFY

Don't kid yourself, the only reason topics about your software are heated is because it's a known fact your software allows users to steal from their affiliates. If you did not have this option, you wouldn't be taking this bashing.

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Interesting to see how affiliates on boards play this issue so hard that it actually opens up amazing possibilities for any programs NOT using a system if it is not MPA based. How easy you all are making it for anyone else to go under the radar undetected. Be careful, don't open yourself up ? there are a lot of programs USING this as a means to play themselves. Make no mistake about that either.

So two wrongs make a right? So what you are saying is because it's known fact your software has this feature, we should all send our traffic to sites using your software. For the simple reason that we know the shave feature is there? I'm not getting that one can you please explain again how the shave feature is good for me?

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So, I want to make a statement to back up the press release posted earlier tonight: MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats. We guarantee this one hundred percent.

All I can say is prove it, if you can prove this new version dose not have the built in shave feature like the MP2 has, then be my guest. If it can be confirmed that the software no longer has this feature and it is not an "extra" add on item if the user asks for it. Then by all means do it, however until you prove it I don't believe anything you post.

You stated your software can help programs earn more money. Well how are they going to earn more money if affiliates decide not to send traffic to programs using this software? I don't believe every program that uses your software cheats, however they have the option. Until this option is taken away and confirmed as being gone, I personally won't send traffic to programs using MP software any longer.

I hate getting into these arguements on the boards but it's the only way us affiliates can protect ourselves.I will add this quote from one of your customers in case you missed it. Thumbs up for Medium Pimpin.

Just to clarify, Medium Pimpin no longer runs on the MPA2.

:1orglaugh

101 accessories to RICO fraud :)

cause that is what I said you fucking retard

how about this...

everyone that is so concerned, one of you must have a nice chunk of change or collectively have a nice bit of money saved up....

how about a group of people set up a fake company, with some cheesy fake sites.....then call on mansion to set up their affiliate program for them, all the while NEVER revealing your true identities.....let them set it completely up...and then see for yourself if there is a shaving option in there?
all this could not take more than 1 month to set up....

i am sure there are 10-20 people that would chip in on this and make it dirt cheap for all involved, i would even be willing to chip in come cash for this. and it would put everyone at ease

i doubt this will happen though, cause you all are all fucking talk and no action, you will be quick to slander or shout insults, but no one will even step up to the plate and prove their accusations.

and besides, even if a group of people did this, there would be 10 doubters that would carry the torch of doubt

and let me make something clear, I DO NOT PROMOTE SHAVING OR CHEATING....which some of you twist my words around to make it sound like I do....but I have never seen proof that mpa2 has a shave module....the only thing I have seen is people throwing bullshit out, with nothing to back them up....

Another Satisfied MPA customer!

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=312289

Just to confirm that I did see it as well as many other people. Someone on the first page mentioned if 'we' wanted to see screencaps. Oystein's statement that MPA3 does not and will not ever shave does not imply that MPA*whatevernumber* never did. Although there are systems to shave - hits/joins/rebills - this is 'pre-built', was optional but not removable and was marketed as one of the 'best features' (at launch).

Shove it up your ass idiot.

Why should people have to spend 15-20K to find his information out? Shouldnt the company be responsible enough to prove it?

Lets flip this bullshit around... Why do they not protect affiliates/prove their software is shave free by taking over liability should any affiliate get shaved by a sponsor running their software and have proof of it?

Their software is compiled. the chances of someone adding a shave feature wouldnt be possible unless they allowed it. If they're not willing to put up the cash...well, you take that however you want.

I saw it myself...you can call me a liar..you can call it defamation whatever you want..but something tells me Oystein and MPA won't be challenging people in court on this.

I don't know anything about MPA3...not claiming I do. I just know what I saw in MPA2.

I would love to see and know whether it was something that was added in or if it was actually in the release, but from what people say, it was in the release.....

If you people truly think that just because allegedly mpa, map2 or mpa3 have a built in shave feature that no one else has that you are complete fools.
Have you ever seen admim stats inside a program? Are you aware that anyone can have this option built into their stats? Use your head people.

Here is the icq log from when we first started talking to Garry about buying MPApoo. ( I know thats childish but shit don't fit)

On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:13 am, mick said :
ok I'll have a look, can you send me an email when I can see the updated area.

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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
what you dont see in the admin area is for ex

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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
you can choose if you want to show the webmaster all the signups and uniques that he is sending.

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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
thats called shaving :)

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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
you can set that in percent

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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:15 am, GARRY said :
you can also run an report that shows you witch webmasters have a higher charge back ration then ??? so you can keep a track of who you should email to tell them to shapen up

For those that don't know, Garry is the boss at Mansion, well thats what he told me.

Yes other systems use shaving......... MPA3?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, then it must be MPApoo.

http://allxcash.com/poo.jpg

It depends highly on the features the program has how easy it would be to add such a feature. The more features, the harder it gets. At some point, it gets virtually impossible for anyone to add it without access to the full source of the app.

This isn't the issue of the debate. We're discussing why MPAx provided program owners with an easy option to fuck over their affiliates and whether MPA3 still has this feature. And we're bashing Mansion Productions over it. :Graucho

talk about nats tell us if it has a shave feature, how easy can one be added? im sure many are curious

doesnt mean i dont know the answer but tell us.

It does not have a shave feature, and it never will.

There is a full demo at http://natsdemo.toomuchmedia.com/ ... it is updated to the current release regularly so our future customers can always see a most up to date version.

How easy it is to add a shave feature to NATS? You would basically have to totally rewrite your own stats interface, webmaster referral, payment system and payout admin. Basically 30% of the program. And all that without letting anyone notice that they use their own stats. Also, when we update our client's systems, we would keep overwriting that part of their system with our newest version, which would add an additional level of difficulty. They might of course use different filenames, but then you still have access to the old ones and can just bypass their shaving system.

I'm tired of hearing this weak argument.

Other people stealing doesnt give you the right to steal.

Clicktruth

I'm Johnny V.

A lot of you know who I am, some of you do not. You will almost never see me on the boards, as I find it is not always the best place to engage in positive and business forward discussions. Having said that I do realize the value of it's ability to approach the mass members of our Industry / community, and for that I am impressed and thankful. We as a group should be proud of ourselves for pushing the envelope of technology, and communication, and it would be my strongest recommendation that we use opportunities like this to strengthen our position, and our place in the Internet community.

It was great to see everyone at the San Diego show.

A little bit on Clicktruth.

Clicktruth was developed by The Porn Posse, to assist Webmasters to be sure that they are getting credit for every sign up they send. It has a secondary purpose, yet no less important, for sponsorship programs to be able to "prove" that they do not shave. As a lot of you know, the simple accusation that you shave can have drastic effects on your credibility, and therefore on the number of webmasters sending to your program, and then therefore to your bottom line. Clicktruth was developed to bring a certain level of honesty and integrity to a very lucrative and important element of our Industry / Community.

How it works: Obviously I am not going to give away the secrect sauce here, but the truth is the recepie is quite simple. We use the combination of the post back data from the processors, the referring webmasters hit count, and the number of sign-ups that are credited, and by interpreting that data, make a determination as to whether the sponsorship program paid the webmaster for each sign up. We also preform random audits of each program that we work with, and send test joins through the system to be sure that the sponsorship program counts every hit. That's it. It really means nothing if I own a program and tell you I do not shave. Everyone will tell you they do not shave. It means nothing if I tell you my program is great and converts well; everyone will tell you that their program is great and converts well. The Porn Posse, and Clicktruth, was developed to act as a true third party, without positive or negative impact on any program. We charge everyone the same amount. We do not have a program. We do not critique others intentions. We are here to say what our conclusions are, what we have seen over time to be true, and nothing else.

Without telling you every element of our system, that is how we work.

We are not in the business of slamming anyone. We have a list of webmasters that we keep that have proven to us over time that their systems are clean, and it is these webmasters that we recommend. If your sponsorship program is not on that list, or the place you send your traffic to is not on that list, it does not mean that they shave. I will repeat, we recommend programs that we "know" do not shave, and encourage referring webmasters to send their traffic there.

We do not make money from the sign ups. We have a flat rate that we are paid by every sponsorship program in our network. We do not have favorites, and we charge everyone the same amount of money. It takes a very short amount of time, usually about 1 day to implement our scripts, and we have found, that with the assistance of the sponsorship program, we can be extremely accurate as to who does and does not shave.

(Please disregard what is posted up on our sites, at both Clicktruth.com, and Pornposse.com We are creating new sites now, updating our lists, and adding the several new members that have been added since March / April. I am horrible about updating that site, I realize it is a neccesity, but i simply have several very positive programs to bring you all shortly that have taken all my time Bear with me).

I will leave you with this.

I am not going to sit on the board and defend this program, debate it, scream and yell, or be called a good guy, or an asshole, which ever you prefer. I will not do that, because to be perfectly candid, I have no patience or tolerance for it. Those of you who think I'm an ass, I doubt if you knew me you would think that way, or if you met me would say it to my face. Having said that, I am more than happy to meet with any of you, or speak to any of you on the phone or in an e-mail. I will leave you my information at the end of this post.

I would like to take a minute and assume a defensive position for just a moment however.

Oystein is a friend of mine. He has proven himself to be a good friend to me over time, and there is nothing more valuable to me than that. I am unfamiliar with MPA 2. I was asked to add my software to the offering of MPA 3 and I was, (and am) happy to do it. Say what you will about anyone in this space....Oystein is a good friend, and a good Man.

There are several good people in this space, I am proud to say that several of them are my friends. We should stick together, all of us as an Industry / Community. There is a saying, (I forget who said it) " though dogs may quarrel amongst themselves, they are one against the wolf". We as an Industry / Community should be "one against the wolf". There are more people that do like us out there than do, that is no secrect, but shaving, back-stabbing, yelling at each other on these boards, and the general shit-ass non-business stuff that goes on publicly, should be taken off line.

You may call me a asshole for saying so, but that is exactly why you will not get a reply from me on this board, or on this post.


If you would like to speak to me, please send me an e-mail, at [email protected] You may also call me at 1-213-484-4224

Don't call me to rant, as you will not get the response you are looking for. I am here to assist you all, both Webmaster and Sponsor program alike. My years in this space have been good to me, and I am happy to do something that would assist us all going forward for a very long time; making money in a space that is liberal, forgiving, and free to express it self as genuinely as you all express your own thoughts and interests. An Industry by the way, that is not going anywhere for a very very long time.

Best of luck

Johnny V.

ClickTruth is something the affiliate program owners wont want to use for 1 reason: They know how much traffic you get, where it comes from, how many sales you have, etc. etc. etc.

johnnyv,

could you msg me on ICQ please? 1889711 or AIM fthylmann

Thanks

there can also be, which I am sure there will be, confidentiality agreements