Crocket...I wanted to respond to you as a new customer of this system, and I want to remind you that there will be those short sided mother fuckers that will always try and make a buck and not see the future of there biz and not give a shit of who they cheat.

I just got back from the San Diego show, and was talking to a bunch of owners of programs one being Sean from New Sensations, his comments to me about this program is that it made his company a whole lot more money on the bottom line the very first month, that is just smart business. That trickles down to everyone, webmasters, owners etc.

You will always have dishonest people in the world and that is never going to go away, the best feature that we like at SMASHBUCKS is that we are not a slave to our single processor and if they go out ....we are done.

Straight business for the long haul is what this company coming on board with this new great feature to enhance sales. Why for a couple extra bucks would we as a company want to jepordize all of our hard work? But there are morans out there..there will always be.

:2 cents:

the issue is really that it comes with that and when asked anything about it he feels the urge to act like a total asshole.

I asked what is this new clicktruth feature how does it work

he answers

Quick answer - CLICKTRUTH should quell any doubts about the integrity of the program.

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I see this thread is going as well as most mpa2 threads ever did. :1orglaugh

no, it isn't, but they have gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to make sure they are on the up and up now, trying to dispell any negativity that has come their way...they even teamed up with a company that exposes shavers, but yet you all still cry "shavers"...

MY point was that ANYONE can have a shave mod built into their system, it isn't hard....and instead of you all complaining about the 20 programs that give you $35-50 a sale off a single $2.95 membership, you actually go after the people that are trying their damndest to earn your respect from square one all over again....the people that give buttloads of money for one single $2.95 are the ones you need to worry about...but no, you won't, because they send you that FAT ASS CHECK once a week/month

it is just juvenile and a shitty thing to do

or he wwent to eat and have a life, or shit, watch six feet under (it is the season premiere)

Not that I care about this anymore but, the shave feature should not be there, adding it by default is not right, fucking drove me up the wall seeing it everyday.

If a program owner wants to shave then they will, but supplying it by default and no way to remove it for webmaster who don?t want it, is not right.

MikeHawk I understand completely what you are saying, but as an affiliate, the only power I have is on the boards. The only way we can hope to change anything is to make it known on the boards. Dishonest program owners can get away with stealing from us because they have 99% of the power. When this stuff is put out in the open it forces change to happen.

But tell me this, let's say I had a TGP trade script made, that could send out undetected hit bot traffic.. Allowing me to make tons of money and I decided to make the script public for sale. Do you honestly think anyone would trade with sites using that script?

Why should this be any different? Why should we send our hard earned traffic to programs which use software that comes with the option to steal from us.

exactly

Big mistake!

pipty

Bottom line is.... majority of affiliates will NOT feel safe promoting a program that has MPA2 or MPA3 as their script.

They need STRONG reassurances.

As a program owner, it's not worth taking the risk unless you can convince people that they are safe using it and safe promoting with it.

Yes, any script can have shaving added, but everyone KNOWS that MPA2 had it set by default. That weighs heavy on everyone's minds regardless of what other logic there may be in other scripts ability to shave.

Oystein, I wish you good luck on the release of MPA3. The guys at Mansion are top notch. :thumbsup

well said!

Once a thief, always a thief.

I agree 100%. Anyone who thinks MPA is a given for shaving, is a fool. Programs choose MPA for its functionality and top notch support. People who talk poorly about MPA are nothing but jealous.

Way to go Mansion!

and then you would lose business! the fact that they built this into their programs makes it okay with you then?

are you one of Mansion's made up screen names to help hype the program?

And still no answer to this simple question :Graucho

MPA2 sucks. It doesn't track shit properly. It let's people shave, etc.

You are missing the point. Building a tool to steal money is wrong. It doesn't make it ok just because other people can do the same. Show me any other program that has been proven to have built a shave feature, they will get flamed as well.

Would the MPA owners provide the merchant/sponsor (if requested) with a signed document that would certify their purchased/leased script platform DOESNT include any option/plugin that can give them the ability to manipulate the credited sales and the counted clicks sent?

now that's an interesting question :)

I'd say "OUT OF THEIR WAY" would be more along the lines of "We have removed all shaving features from MPA3" and to go a long way out of their way they could even provide some very credible third party auditing to ensure that their code has NO shaving features.

If they do keep shaving features then they should at a bare minimum provide a status page where the affiliates can at all times see what shave level they are on (helps to expose like when perfectioncash was caught at ccbill)

Click Truth may help bring some credibility though personally I have a sneaking suspicions Click Truth will shave for the right price/their buddies.

Hahaha... yeah, that would go over well! :1orglaugh

get the feeling they may lose some customers? :1orglaugh

Looks better than every Oy, the additional features really add to the value of this backend - Congrats on the release :thumbsup

FROM CLICKTRUTH FAQ ~
What exactly does ClickTruth? Audit?
Sign ups and traffic. We send traffic through our redirector. It then goes to the sponsor as normal. We get a copy of the Credit card processor?s post-back data, which we then report to you.

We then compare the info from the post-back data to the results the sponsor reports.

ClickTruth? routinely audits each program through a 14 point proprietary system. Participating webmasters? traffic may be included in these audits but it will be transparent to any user of the ClickTruth system. You would, however, be notified if the audit failed.

This means that they audit their own sales, and there is currently only 2 programs, and in the last 30 days my stats show clicktruth made zero sales with these programs.

Agreed...100%
Hey I was in the nightclub biz in Los Angeles for 15 years, had a two counts on all my doors, all cash, until I found out that both counts were stealing from me...there will always be those types of people in the world, but as you say I agree with the boards is the only way to bring the truth and keep people honest. That is why we at Smashbucks have gone out of our way to be upfront and honest with everyone we do biz with on all levels, we are in this thing for the long haul. Also like you we work hard to make our biz grow and go, and why would we want to shoot ourselves in the foot.

We look and continue to look at the positive things that this could bring to us and to hard working affiliates like yourself.


"option to steal from us."
Remember that is a human decision that someone makes...and that just sucks in any part of life.

That is why when Smashbucks brings the new cascading system to our system it will be for the GOOD for all to make as much money as we all can honest and upfront!

EXACTLY!!!!! Any affiliate sponsor program can be designed to shave....its the company and people you choose to work with.

The MPA2 program is the best program out there! And the Mansion crew are the most helpfull!

Again, ANY software can be programmed to shave...Even 3rd party processors can shave if they wanted to....

I support this. I like the leverage of MPA, but if affiliates don`t like it, its pretty much useless. Therefore, i`d like some sort of reassurance liike that^ to hand to every affiliate. :thumbsup

I like Smashbucks
I like NS Cash

When I see a post by Oystein, I think 'thief'.

You guys use who you want. I'll send hits where I want. I dont give a fuck how 'cool' someone is, once they decide to fuck me out of my money.

Just got back from watching the Lakers being crushed by Pistons - Lakers in 7 baby!!!

Mikehawk, Raffi, Simple and all you others that I hung out with in San Diego - had a great time! Thanks for the props and support. Good to see hard working people be as successful as you are! Keep it up!

So, good to see that the interest for our MPA3 release is there and that the feedback is, as usual, intense and heated up. That?s good. Our presence is definitely felt out there ? we are the leading provider of Affiliate Program Software, make no mistake about that.

Interesting to see how affiliates on boards play this issue so hard that it actually opens up amazing possibilities for any programs NOT using a system if it is not MPA based. How easy you all are making it for anyone else to go under the radar undetected. Be careful, don't open yourself up ? there are a lot of programs USING this as a means to play themselves. Make no mistake about that either.

So, I want to make a statement to back up the press release posted earlier tonight:

MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats. We guarantee this one hundred percent.

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

its sad
i will never send 1 hit again to a sponsor using MPA

Bullshit.

Want screen caps?

Actually, you could not, there are ways for a program script to make it very very very difficult to shave.

ive seen the admin area for a program that was using mpa2 in person, they are an honest program and wouldnt shave, but if they wanted to the option was there with a click of the mouse.