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digifan · 06-13-2004, 08:16 PM

50 Canadians voting

riosluts · 06-13-2004, 08:16 PM

50 canadian all voting liberal

digifan · 06-13-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by riosluts
50 canadian all voting liberal

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FlyingIguana · 06-13-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by skillfull
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/pros_...uebecFULL.html

EIGHT ARGUMENTS FOR SOVEREIGNTY

1. The identity argument

Quebeckers are a people. Not all peoples need their own sovereign state, indeed, Quebeckers have for a long-time tried to operate within the Canadian federal framework. But Canada refuses to grant to Quebec its status as a founding people and the tools it needs to develop fully. It is time to come to terms with Canada's inherent incapacity to think of itself as a multinational state. It is time to cease dreaming that a constitutional negotiation is still possible. It is time for the citizens of Quebec to create a state that reflects their reality. This state, which seeks to encompass all those wishing to be its citizens, will be based on territory and a common language, it will recognize as constituents its First Nations and anglophone minority, and will continue to offer to immigrants citizenship in a community which fully respects their contribution to it.

2. The linguistic argument

Because a charter of rights inspired by individualist principles is entrenched in it, the Canadian constitution allows the laws of the government of Quebec to be contested before the courts. Quebec's linguistic laws have been constrained by this state of affairs. Sovereignty will place in a representative government responsibility for the promotion and protection of French. We would be in a position to adopt those laws we judge necessary, all the while respecting the rights of individuals and of the francophone and anglophone communities. The survival of French in Quebec is now assured; once we have the means of managing all aspects of the linguistic issue, we will be able to enhance the capacity of all the citizens of Quebec to live together.

3. The cultural argument

Even if small in number, Quebeckers include creative people who have made their mark on the world. But it takes an appropriate climate for people to continue to dedicate their life to culture. Governments, as well as businesses, must stop regarding financially supporting culture as an act of charity. Moreover, one must never forget that culture transcends the economy: it provides vital symbolic anchors; it nourishes the imagination of a community. In order to do so, it needs the freedom provided by its own assured space. One way such space can be provided is by a community self-confident enough to take pride in the creative people who disturb its complacency.

4. The solidarity argument

By giving themselves a country, Quebeckers will be laying down the foundations of a genuine solidarity which will encourage understanding among citizens even when their interests diverge. Solidarity creates a context in which individuals can see beyond their individual interests so that they are willing to do their part. This national solidarity is not just an idealistic slogan: it has real economic and social repercussions. It is generally agreed that the most serious economic and social problems facing Quebec are unemployment, poverty among women, school drop-outs, youth employment, the maintenance of social programs, the deficit and the debt. The solutions to these problems require that the various social actors work together, and that every affected individual, enterprise, and organization accept to play their part. In this sense, the decision to become sovereign constitutes in and of itself a societal project, concretely reflecting the solidarity of the citizens, their desire to work to establish a more just society.

5. The political legitimacy argument

It is only a fully legitimate government that has the margin of maneuverability necessary to deal with difficult social and economic problems such as deficits, debts and recessions. If the federal government have been founded on real solidarity rather than on the abstract concept of a Canadian nation, it would have had sufficient legitimacy to set in motion starting in the 1970s the minimal budgetary restrictions on social programs. Instead, and because it lacked the required legitimacy, it fell into electoralism, acceding, on occasion, to unrealistic expectations of the electorate, and giving in to demands of various pressure groups, as well as the lobbies of business and foreign investors. Quebec sovereignty will confer much greater political legitimacy: political power in Quebec will be the expression of a community which has taken on a common project.

6. The decentralization argument

In recent years, decentralization has become synonymous with organizational efficiency. In the context of a sovereign Quebec, decentralization will strengthen the powers of regional units closely linked to economic activity. In the short-run, decentralization of governmental institutions will result in savings from the elimination of duplication. In the longer term, it will increase efficiency because it will bring decision points closer to markets. This decentralization must nevertheless proceed with prudence and fairness: it must not make government power more irresponsible or arbitrary; it must instead aim to place power in the hands of the citizens affected by the decisions.

7. The argument of equality between the national communities

The Canadian government has not adequately acted to assure that economic development is distributed equitably between the main national communities. As a result of federal government policies over more than 30 years (national energy policy, auto pact, centralization of R and D support, absence of protection for pharmaceutical patents, and -- obviously -- high interest rates) the Toronto region has become the nerve centre of the Canadian economy. In contrast, a multinational central state would take into account the principle of equality between the peoples which constitute it. It is time to take control of the political and economic levers held but not appropriately exercised by the federal government.

8. The constitutional argument

Following the illegitimate repatriation of the constitution in 1982, Quebec found itself excluded from the Canadian family. By this constitutional coup de force, Canada restricted Quebec's power to act on language (the Canada clause) and imposed a charter of rights based essentially on individual rights and which confided considerable powers to judges nominated by the federal state. It imposed this without a referendum, and against the expressed wishes of Quebec and its national assembly. In doing so, Canada violated the pact on which the federation was originally founded. Since that time, all negotiations designed to reintegrate Quebec into the constitutional fold have failed, thus demonstrating the irreconcilability of the aspirations of Quebec and Canada. Canada now sees the Quebec people as a cultural minority among others, even though Quebec is, and considers itself to be, one of the country's founding peoples. There is no other way to resolve the dispute on this fundamental question than for Quebec to become sovereign and adopt a constitution that reflects its true nature .

most of this is nothing more than bullshit. canada is made up of a variety of different people with different cultures. quebec should embrace not only being a quebecker, but also being canadian.

leaving canada doesn't solve problems. governments are not efficient, it doesn't matter where you live.

fact is, the grass may look greener across the street, but once you cross the street you may find out it actually isn't greener than where you left.

Kassidy · 06-13-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Hamlet
I'm not so much voting liberal as voting against conservative... I considered some of the other parties - but at this point the race between the liberals and conservatives is actually getting pretty close. So a vote for the liberal party is a vote against the conservative party in my view.

Very good point.

Braincash Fred · 06-13-2004, 08:50 PM

This party got my vote

skillfull · 06-13-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Braincash Fred

This party got my vote

this party will not doing anything better than any other party on this point, except conservatism cause there against it

Roger · 06-13-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by skillfull
in what the fact of me being separatist change anything to the fact that all federal political party sucks ?
i do not hate canadians or anything, its just not my country...
fact is Quebec people are differents, whatever they are with french origin, english or whatever ethnies they have
we just dont share point of view about a couple of subject with the rest of Canada.

We're different in what? Because we also speak french and we have different views on some subjects? That's crazy. Do you also think that Southerners in the US should create there own country? Afterall they're quite different. What's next? Immigrants who come to Canada should create there own country because they don't have the exact same values? I mean seriously.

Life is not about having it your way and only caring about yourself.

Spunky · 06-13-2004, 10:27 PM

SC will get it this year

Roger · 06-13-2004, 10:28 PM

If you don't want the conservative party to win, you better vote Liberal. We really don't want people who compare abortion to Nick Berg's beheading to be running our country.

SL|M! · 06-13-2004, 10:35 PM

What I dont understand about the bloc is how can they defend the interests of Quebec if they have limited seats in the house of commons. They wont even be in the opposition, just a few dudes complaining and noone is listening or caring Thats whats I dont get. What have they done thats significant? Can someone tell me, because I dont know.

Im still wondering if I'll vote for NPD or Liberals. Im afraid conservatives will turn into another Bush. The last conservative party we had put the country into a huge deficit and the Liberals had to clean shit up.

JFK · 06-13-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by skillfull
even with all the scandals ?

personnaly im going with the Bloc Quebecois, they arent that good
but all others sucks more anyway

What are you fucking Crazy......... Liberals ??? Your other choice is not much better eighter

Manga1 · 06-13-2004, 10:46 PM

If any province should seperate it's Ontario. We would be rocking if we didn't have to carry all that dead weight around. We'll invite Alberta and B.C. along for the party. The rest of the provinces can create their own welfare country and speak whatever language they like

Seriously though, this election will be interesting. The Conservatives are gaining a lot of ground which I didn't think was possible. I'm not sure who I'll vote for. I was going to vote Liberal, but McGuinty really pissed me off and Martin's guilty by association. Harper looks like he's into bukkake, and I will never vote NDP. So what else is there?

tedwinters · 06-13-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by Manga1
If any province should seperate it's Ontario. We would be rocking if we didn't have to carry all that dead weight around. We'll invite Alberta and B.C. along for the party. The rest of the provinces can create their own welfare country and speak whatever language they like

Seriously though, this election will be interesting. The Conservatives are gaining a lot of ground which I didn't think was possible. I'm not sure who I'll vote for. I was going to vote Liberal, but McGuinty really pissed me off and Martin's guilty by association. Harper looks like he's into bukkake, and I will never vote NDP. So what else is there?

Hahah, sorry pal... Ontario's still racking up debt as well ;-) And also has large equalization payments it receives... Alberta's one of the only provinces making a bunch of money ;)
Alberta, one of the territories, and Saskatchewan...
Of course, the premier of Alberta is a damn idiot.. and mentioned separating at one point.. heheh.. 51st state....

Jive · 06-14-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by BillyHoe
bloc

you got that fuckin right!.. they need to actually move the hole government away from frog land ottawa then things would be better off in the long run. look what happened to the jobs and population in montreal and the big corps ran away it;s just a deadend now.. it was thriving years ago good clubs/bands all but gone mostly..

there's really know one out there to do a better job than Paul Martin..

the indigo · 06-14-2004, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by tedwinters
Oh man.. I don't even want to start on the follies of separatism....
I DID see an interesting sign on the Bonaventure - from the Quebec Teacher's Union...
Basically, it said 'stop immigration.. immigration destroys quebec culture, and wastes money...'
hahahahahah

Eitherway, it's amazing how racist Quebec is...
Indians, Asians = lower life forms...

Eitherway, separatism is bad... as has been seen twice now, more than half the province does NOT want to separate... and it would be a HUGE waste of money....
Quebec government is already corrupt..
Look at the huge tax rates, and then look at the quality of medicare, and the quality of roads (regulated by the province...)

As soon as you hit the US boarder, roads become smooth..
As soon as you hit the Ontario boarder, roads become smooth...
Throughout Quebec, you can hide children in pot holes!!!

I think I'll vote for whoever is willing to spend more on infrastructure and not waste it spending resources to separate

And provincially, NDP threw BC into huge debt in the early and late 90's...

uh llama, last time I went to Toronto, it was 12 degree versus -10 in quebec. Get a clue.

the indigo · 06-14-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
We're different in what? Because we also speak french and we have different views on some subjects? That's crazy. Do you also think that Southerners in the US should create there own country? Afterall they're quite different. What's next? Immigrants who come to Canada should create there own country because they don't have the exact same values? I mean seriously.

Life is not about having it your way and only caring about yourself.

Canada leech and keep.

European Union style is better to me. I never heard of an european country hating another one. But they are all independant though.

tedwinters · 06-14-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by the indigo
uh llama, last time I went to Toronto, it was 12 degree versus -10 in quebec. Get a clue.

uhhhh.. what??? you saying that the roads are bad just cause it gets colder in QC??
hahah

NoCarrier · 06-14-2004, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Jive
look what happened to the jobs and population in montreal and the big corps ran away it;s just a deadend now.. it was thriving years ago good clubs/bands all but gone mostly..

You must be talking about Regina. Montreal has never been so alive and economically healthy.

Fabien · 06-14-2004, 06:56 AM

Le bloc colisse

TheLegacy · 06-14-2004, 07:36 AM

the fact is that all parties are paid off by big business in order to manipulate their agenda's.

Lib/pc/ndp/block - no matter who gets in power, the organizations set up under them are still going to remain the same. NO one is going to get fired in health care or LCBO / hydro - so its merely a surface change.

Oil companies OPEC run our prices - if the government would use our own oil then our prices would drop, but we cant.

so far, the only party that isnt affected by this is the green party because no one has bothered to buy them off.

face it kids - no matter who we vote for nothing is going to change - the people who run this country are not a political party - rather have large check books

skillfull · 06-14-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by the indigo
Canada leech and keep.

European Union style is better to me. I never heard of an european country hating another one. But they are all independant though.

100% for it
i dont want to separate from Canada because i hate people from BC or Ontario or whatever... but fact is we have different point of view on a lot of subject just look about decriminalisation of marijuana, in Quebec, a large % of the population is for it, not the case in Alberta by exemple, in a sovereign Quebec, it would allready be done, but cause this is a federal law, we cant :P
The only people i hate are stupid racists calling us "frogs"

FlyingIguana · 06-14-2004, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by skillfull
100% for it
i dont want to separate from Canada because i hate people from BC or Ontario or whatever... but fact is we have different point of view on a lot of subject just look about decriminalisation of marijuana, in Quebec, a large % of the population is for it, not the case in Alberta by exemple, in a sovereign Quebec, it would allready be done, but cause this is a federal law, we cant :P
The only people i hate are stupid racists calling us "frogs"

so we should just break off into different countries?

atlantic canada, quebec, ontario, alberta, prairies and bc?

skillfull · 06-14-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
so we should just break off into different countries?

atlantic canada, quebec, ontario, alberta, prairies and bc?

yep, but i think maybe put alberta manitoba and saskatchewan together, so we could all make our laws to fit our difference and still be a strong economy together

xxxdesign-net · 06-14-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by skillfull
100% for it
i dont want to separate from Canada because i hate people from BC or Ontario or whatever... but fact is we have different point of view on a lot of subject just look about decriminalisation of marijuana, in Quebec, a large % of the population is for it, not the case in Alberta by exemple, in a sovereign Quebec, it would allready be done, but cause this is a federal law, we cant :P
The only people i hate are stupid racists calling us "frogs"

ahah you are a stupid sheep.. a tool... you had to go search on the web for reasons why Quebec should seperate.. The PQ made a nice list of bogus reasons so sheep like you can know why you are actually a seperatist... Cant you find reasons by yourself? Now you coming with decriminalisation of pot?

Its something the federal governement is working on right now.. and other provinces support it.. Get a clue

FlyingIguana · 06-14-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by skillfull
yep, but i think maybe put alberta manitoba and saskatchewan together, so we could all make our laws to fit our difference and still be a strong economy together

a broken up canada won't be stronger...

alberta and bc are too resource dependant imo.

weed and some other soft drugs should be legal and sold by the government. the revenue thats lost in the black market is huge. why alberta is so right wing i'll never know. but even in a small region there are people who don't agree, should they all seperate as well? should we split ontario into two countries, those who agree to legalizing weed and those that don't. then make more countries based on different views?

instead of bickering about bs, look for solutions for the future. so much was wasted on quebec seperation. if those energies were put into managing the province, quebec would be better off today. but politicians there were so hell bent on seperating they didn't address the real issues, then instead of admitting their incompetence, they blame being canadian for their problems.

tedwinters · 06-14-2004, 11:28 AM

Nah.. It won't be stronger at all..
As I've mentioned multiple times before, Alberta is the ONLY province bringining in strong revenue...
2 other provinces bring in a LITTLE more than they spend...

and the rest of the provinces, even with equalization payments (coming from the 3 profitable provinces), still aquire debt....

Ontario and Quebec both rack up HUGE debt... Ontario is better though..
(I believe provincial debt averaged per capita is under $2000 for Ontario, and over $12,000 for Quebec..)

Long story short, Eastern Canada would be a hell hole or poverty, and Western Canada would be a new Oasis....
except maybe BC... but they'd all be too high to notice ;-)

ADL Colin · 06-14-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by skillfull
not in Quebec, maybe in Alberta :P

Quebec isn't trying to get out anymore? ;-)

ADL Colin · 06-14-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by the indigo
[B]I never heard of an european country hating another one./B]

Mark D · 06-14-2004, 12:55 PM

Paul Martin is my neigbour ( Easton Township cottage) . I met him and he is a nice person. He is a very capitalist person.

NoCarrier · 06-14-2004, 01:33 PM

PRESS RELEASE

Separation Party of Alberta offers it's support to the Western Independence
Party of Saskatchewan .

MELVILLE, SK.

A new force has burst on to the Saskatchewan political scene , one which
promises to finally put an end to that province's estrangement from the
federal government and alienation from the rest of the Confederation. The
Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan (WIP), who believe the welfare
of the people of Saskatchewan would be best served in an Independent Western
Canada, gained official party status only weeks prior to the 2003
Saskatchewan provincial election. As a follow up to their successful
registration drive and election campaign, the WIP held their inaugural
convention from March 12th to the 14th in Melville, a community of 4,500
people east of Regina.

The theme of the Western Independence Party's inaugural convention was
"Share The Vision". In the spirit of this pan-western theme, members of
the executive committee of the Separation Party of Alberta (SPA), which
promotes the secession of the province of Alberta from the Canadian
Confederation, were in attendance to lend their support.

In a show of solidarity between independence-minded residents of Alberta
and Saskatchewan, Bruce Hutton, interim leader of the Separation Party of
Alberta was invited to address the gathering of western separatists,
lending his movement's support to their endeavors.

"We are separate entities with a common goal. We both want to do what is in
the best interest of the people of our respective provinces," stated
Hutton. "We are natural allies against the ongoing economic plundering of the
west perpetrated by Ottawa and Central Canada. We will form strategic
alliances to assist one another to attain our goals."

Former Grande Prairie, Alberta mayor and SPA executive Al Romanchuk
feels the Western Independence Party is a positive force for achieving economic and democratic reform for the people of Saskatchewan.

"For countless years we have pleaded to be let in as equal partners in
Confederation. Our pleas have gone unanswered. We are out and now we
want to stay out. We applaud the capable leadership of Bruce Ritter and
all the members of the Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan and pledge
our unequivocal support."

This meeting occurs as support for both movements is on the rise. The
Separation Party of Alberta, having concluded a series of very successful
town hall meetings across the province of Alberta, has experienced a
groundswell of support amongst Albertans from all walks of life. The
support for a movement that puts Albertans first has been overwhelming, and
this bodes well for the SPA as they move one step closer towards gaining
official party status.

Meanwhile in Saskatchewan, recent surveys have shown that the residents of
Saskatchewan are among the most dissatisfied in Confederation. The most
recent poll on the subject by Ekos research indicated that twenty-three per
cent of Saskatchewanians "would not be too concerned if their province
joined the United States". This is certainly not a vote of confidence in
Confederation from one in four people in the province.
A confident and well-organized Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan
will no doubt put the people of Saskatchewan on the right track towards
independence.

Donna Ferolie
President
Separation Party of Alberta
http://www.separationalberta.com

NoCarrier · 06-14-2004, 01:35 PM

http://www.separationalberta.com/whyseparation.asp

Why Separation?

A better question would be ?Why stay??

For almost 100 years, Alberta and the West have been trying to become real members of Canada and true, equal partners in Confederation. These efforts have proved fruitless. It is time to move forward and protect Alberta?s future. It is time to stop the financial and emotional drain caused by an incompetent, unresponsive political and bureaucratic nightmare called ?Ottawa?.

Economic Cost of Federation for Alberta, 1961 ? Present

Alberta has, on a per capita basis, been Ottawa?s largest single contributor. For example, between 1961 and 1992, Alberta paid $139 billion more to Ottawa than it received back from Ottawa. That is what it cost Albertans to be Canadian. *

And where did the money go? During that time frame, the province of Quebec, despite its large population and vibrant economy, was a net recipient of over $ 168 billion from Ottawa. Alberta was paying Quebec to be Canadian. *

* Source: Dr. Robert Mansell and Ronald Schlenker, ?The Provincial Distribution of Federal Fiscal Balances,? Canadian Business Economics 3:2 (Winter, 1995), 3-21

There are two net contributors to Ottawa; - Alberta and Ontario. The difference is that Ontario gets a return on investment. They have a diversified economy with end use manufacturing. They also have a strong voice in federal policy. The Kyoto Accord would have adversely affected Alberta and Ontario, however, Ottawa exempted the Ontario Auto Industry from the Accord.

Alberta?s Cost 1997 ? 2003**
In Billions Canadian Dollars $ 54.933
1997: $ 5.668
1999: $ 6.130
2001: $ 8.568
1998: $ 6.279
2000: $ 7.190
2002: $ 9.998
2003: $ 11.100

** Source: Alberta Finance March 2004

Alberta has fought Ottawa on numerous issues. Here are some issues that Alberta fought and lost the battle because of weak leaders:

? National Energy Program
? Kyoto
? Interference in Agriculture Policy
? Family Rights
? Personal Property Rights
? Federal Health Care Payments

National issues that waste tax-payers dollars and frustrate Albertans:

? Jane Stewart?s HRDC Boondoggle
? Helicopters cancelled, then reordered
? Submarine Debacle
? Firearms Registry Fiasco
? Broken Election Promises (no GST)
? No Serious National Debt Reduction
? Budgets Balanced at worker's expense
? Lack of Parliamentary Reform
? Canada Pension Plan is broke
? Out of control National Debt
? Ottawa?s lack of respect for Alberta
? Sponsorship Scandal

Albertans are tired of losing these battles. It is time to take what is rightfully ours. An independent Alberta would have a great future with a strong, viable, diversified economy.

What is the Long-term plan?
To give Alberta to Albertans
To facilitate the peaceful Separation of Alberta from Canadian Confederation
To become the most viable nation in the western hemisphere.

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NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	PRESS RELEASE Separation Party of Alberta offers it's support to the Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan . MELVILLE, SK. A new force has burst on to the Saskatchewan political scene , one which promises to finally put an end to that province's estrangement from the federal government and alienation from the rest of the Confederation. The Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan (WIP), who believe the welfare of the people of Saskatchewan would be best served in an Independent Western Canada, gained official party status only weeks prior to the 2003 Saskatchewan provincial election. As a follow up to their successful registration drive and election campaign, the WIP held their inaugural convention from March 12th to the 14th in Melville, a community of 4,500 people east of Regina. The theme of the Western Independence Party's inaugural convention was "Share The Vision". In the spirit of this pan-western theme, members of the executive committee of the Separation Party of Alberta (SPA), which promotes the secession of the province of Alberta from the Canadian Confederation, were in attendance to lend their support. In a show of solidarity between independence-minded residents of Alberta and Saskatchewan, Bruce Hutton, interim leader of the Separation Party of Alberta was invited to address the gathering of western separatists, lending his movement's support to their endeavors. "We are separate entities with a common goal. We both want to do what is in the best interest of the people of our respective provinces," stated Hutton. "We are natural allies against the ongoing economic plundering of the west perpetrated by Ottawa and Central Canada. We will form strategic alliances to assist one another to attain our goals." Former Grande Prairie, Alberta mayor and SPA executive Al Romanchuk feels the Western Independence Party is a positive force for achieving economic and democratic reform for the people of Saskatchewan. "For countless years we have pleaded to be let in as equal partners in Confederation. Our pleas have gone unanswered. We are out and now we want to stay out. We applaud the capable leadership of Bruce Ritter and all the members of the Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan and pledge our unequivocal support." This meeting occurs as support for both movements is on the rise. The Separation Party of Alberta, having concluded a series of very successful town hall meetings across the province of Alberta, has experienced a groundswell of support amongst Albertans from all walks of life. The support for a movement that puts Albertans first has been overwhelming, and this bodes well for the SPA as they move one step closer towards gaining official party status. Meanwhile in Saskatchewan, recent surveys have shown that the residents of Saskatchewan are among the most dissatisfied in Confederation. The most recent poll on the subject by Ekos research indicated that twenty-three per cent of Saskatchewanians "would not be too concerned if their province joined the United States". This is certainly not a vote of confidence in Confederation from one in four people in the province. A confident and well-organized Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan will no doubt put the people of Saskatchewan on the right track towards independence. Donna Ferolie President Separation Party of Alberta http://www.separationalberta.com Last edited by NoCarrier; 06-14-2004 at 01:34 PM..

06-13-2004, 08:50 PM	#56
Braincash Fred Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,589	This party got my vote

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Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	If you don't want the conservative party to win, you better vote Liberal. We really don't want people who compare abortion to Nick Berg's beheading to be running our country.

06-13-2004, 10:35 PM	#61
SL\|M! Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The BP4L Bunker Posts: 1,480	What I dont understand about the bloc is how can they defend the interests of Quebec if they have limited seats in the house of commons. They wont even be in the opposition, just a few dudes complaining and noone is listening or caring Thats whats I dont get. What have they done thats significant? Can someone tell me, because I dont know. Im still wondering if I'll vote for NPD or Liberals. Im afraid conservatives will turn into another Bush. The last conservative party we had put the country into a huge deficit and the Liberals had to clean shit up.

06-13-2004, 10:46 PM	#63
Manga1 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Malakiaville Posts: 952	If any province should seperate it's Ontario. We would be rocking if we didn't have to carry all that dead weight around. We'll invite Alberta and B.C. along for the party. The rest of the provinces can create their own welfare country and speak whatever language they like Seriously though, this election will be interesting. The Conservatives are gaining a lot of ground which I didn't think was possible. I'm not sure who I'll vote for. I was going to vote Liberal, but McGuinty really pissed me off and Martin's guilty by association. Harper looks like he's into bukkake, and I will never vote NDP. So what else is there?

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Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Le bloc colisse

06-14-2004, 11:28 AM	#77
tedwinters Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal/Calgary Posts: 672	Nah.. It won't be stronger at all.. As I've mentioned multiple times before, Alberta is the ONLY province bringining in strong revenue... 2 other provinces bring in a LITTLE more than they spend... and the rest of the provinces, even with equalization payments (coming from the 3 profitable provinces), still aquire debt.... Ontario and Quebec both rack up HUGE debt... Ontario is better though.. (I believe provincial debt averaged per capita is under $2000 for Ontario, and over $12,000 for Quebec..) Long story short, Eastern Canada would be a hell hole or poverty, and Western Canada would be a new Oasis.... except maybe BC... but they'd all be too high to notice ;-)

06-14-2004, 12:55 PM	#80
Mark D Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal, Québec Posts: 9	Paul Martin is my neigbour ( Easton Township cottage) . I met him and he is a nice person. He is a very capitalist person.

06-14-2004, 01:35 PM	#82
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	http://www.separationalberta.com/whyseparation.asp Why Separation? A better question would be ?Why stay?? For almost 100 years, Alberta and the West have been trying to become real members of Canada and true, equal partners in Confederation. These efforts have proved fruitless. It is time to move forward and protect Alberta?s future. It is time to stop the financial and emotional drain caused by an incompetent, unresponsive political and bureaucratic nightmare called ?Ottawa?. Economic Cost of Federation for Alberta, 1961 ? Present Alberta has, on a per capita basis, been Ottawa?s largest single contributor. For example, between 1961 and 1992, Alberta paid $139 billion more to Ottawa than it received back from Ottawa. That is what it cost Albertans to be Canadian. * And where did the money go? During that time frame, the province of Quebec, despite its large population and vibrant economy, was a net recipient of over $ 168 billion from Ottawa. Alberta was paying Quebec to be Canadian. * * Source: Dr. Robert Mansell and Ronald Schlenker, ?The Provincial Distribution of Federal Fiscal Balances,? Canadian Business Economics 3:2 (Winter, 1995), 3-21 There are two net contributors to Ottawa; - Alberta and Ontario. The difference is that Ontario gets a return on investment. They have a diversified economy with end use manufacturing. They also have a strong voice in federal policy. The Kyoto Accord would have adversely affected Alberta and Ontario, however, Ottawa exempted the Ontario Auto Industry from the Accord. Alberta?s Cost 1997 ? 2003 In Billions Canadian Dollars $ 54.933 1997: $ 5.668 1999: $ 6.130 2001: $ 8.568 1998: $ 6.279 2000: $ 7.190 2002: $ 9.998 2003: $ 11.100 Source: Alberta Finance March 2004 Alberta has fought Ottawa on numerous issues. Here are some issues that Alberta fought and lost the battle because of weak leaders: ? National Energy Program ? Kyoto ? Interference in Agriculture Policy ? Family Rights ? Personal Property Rights ? Federal Health Care Payments National issues that waste tax-payers dollars and frustrate Albertans: ? Jane Stewart?s HRDC Boondoggle ? Helicopters cancelled, then reordered ? Submarine Debacle ? Firearms Registry Fiasco ? Broken Election Promises (no GST) ? No Serious National Debt Reduction ? Budgets Balanced at worker's expense ? Lack of Parliamentary Reform ? Canada Pension Plan is broke ? Out of control National Debt ? Ottawa?s lack of respect for Alberta ? Sponsorship Scandal Albertans are tired of losing these battles. It is time to take what is rightfully ours. An independent Alberta would have a great future with a strong, viable, diversified economy. What is the Long-term plan? To give Alberta to Albertans To facilitate the peaceful Separation of Alberta from Canadian Confederation To become the most viable nation in the western hemisphere.