Anna_O

Hi there

What are your experiences on this?

Right now we have a 65 shave on thumbs and 70 on text links, sending a total of 1/3 to trades. The TGP is growing nicely and is attracting bookmarkers. If we lover the shave to 75 on thumbs and text only 1/4 would be sent to trades. Question now is wouldn't this traffic be more productive and get more bookmarkers to our TGP? But will it help the TGP to grow faster? We would be sending out less traffic...

Please discuss.

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Anna_O

humm........

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B-Eazy

Ok, Schools in session..

Now having a 65% CJ click out ratio on either text or thumbs is horrible. All your thumbs should either go to trades or actual galleries. Your text gallery links should be nothing under 75% CJ return. The less galleries they see the less bookmarks you will see. Surfers are educated today and know what they are looking for.

So to sum it all up. I suggest this.. Every thumbnail to lead to a gallery! Text links first 5 links the fith link should be a perm "hard link trade" then the next four the fourth should be a hard link. This way your being productive to the other trades bc CJ traffic is shit.

I hope you enjoy your day with B-eazy.. Your test grades will be handed back on Monday. Thank you

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digi

I doubt that would make a big diffrence. If you want quality traffic you should go without skimming at all.

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B-Eazy

Yea, but the place where the traffic is coming from is probably some how jerked around.

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Anna_O

The traffic is indeed jerked around from the start...

Don't have any textlinks on the mainpage, only in the archives. This is how the page looks like: http://www.annasdungeon.com/

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Toker

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Anna_O
Hi there

What are your experiences on this?

Right now we have a 65 shave on thumbs and 70 on text links, sending a total of 1/3 to trades. The TGP is growing nicely and is attracting bookmarkers. If we lover the shave to 75 on thumbs and text only 1/4 would be sent to trades. Question now is wouldn't this traffic be more productive and get more bookmarkers to our TGP? But will it help the TGP to grow faster? We would be sending out less traffic...

Please discuss. [/QUOTE

Personally traffic stats are just numbers that can be read different ways..
If I click on a Thumb and get redirected to another TGP like yours I click it off as fast as it hits your counter.
Then I try the Thumb again because I know I'll get it in time and stopping Pop-Ups and other pages from opening it's just a quick click back.
So as far as stats go what good are they?
And as far as Bookmarks go they can't be that high and almost nothing for a 3rd visit..
Not only that but if I surf the TGPs that are Travel Agencys for a half hour I'll pick up at least a half dozen or more Tgojans that McAfee warns me about but can't stop and I have to delete them manualy..]

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Anna_O

But the traffic is obviously clicking on our thumbs... And bookmarker productivity is very high so we must be doing something right

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Anna_O

This thread died quickly...

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doober

bump

Forkbeard

Anna, right now I'm sending only 15% to trades on spankslaves.com and productive bookmarkers are growing nicely. The hard part I'm having is finding quality trades that aren't screwing the surfer around. My search algorithm is, I go to the potential trade and click the first five galleries and the last five on the page. If I get six or more galleries on those ten clicks, which almost never happens, they are clean enough to trade with -- assuming that none of the other four clicks resizes my browser window or tries to install spyware shit. I figure that better than "every other click goes to a gallery" is necessary.

You would be amazed how many TGPs fail this basic surfer-friendliness test. Sorry to say, yours did too, although it came close, delivering five galleries for ten clicks.

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Anna_O

Humm.. Only 5 of ten clicks to the gallery? Thats not good, it's set up to send atleast 65% to galleries. I'll raise it to 70% now before going to bed and see how trades look in the morning. If it goes well we'll raise it to 75%

And thanks doober for bumping

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Jimmie

Anna, here is my take on it. I'm by no means a master at this, but started with ZERO traffic, absolutely no feeder traffic at all and am now at almost 70K a day.

I started out, www.cousindirty.com with TM3 and thumbsmanager, youve got Comus and UCJ, so far everythings a push. For the first 6 months, I had skim ratios like this: 80 (top section of thumbs) 70 (next section) then the rest were 60. All Gallery TXT links were 50, and remain at 50.

Remember, I didnt buy any feeder traffic or anything. For 6 months, I had built the site up to 25-30K a day in traffic, and according to TM3 almost 10K a day was bookmark traffic. 1 week ago while talking to some friends with much bigger sites, I decided it was time to drop skims to 60% on all thumbs.

My site is now close to 70K a day. Trades that were dieing before are alive, PROD and OUT CLicks are WAY UP! What did I do? Lowered skims, nothing else. Im currently sending almost 100K clicks a day to galleries, and 60K to trades (which is more than active trades have sent me)

So, for me... starting out a site, HIGH SKIMS will get you lots of bookmarkers, and help feed trades. After you get a decent amount of bookmark traffic and have some nice trades setup, lower skims and watch the site grow!

Hope this helps you out!

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KCat

Great thread, Anna!

I hate the CJ stuff, but it seems to be a must today. I haven't experimented myself, but I wonder if just buying the traffic right off the bat & keeping the skim low would grow it just as quickly. The lower the skim, the happier the surfer obviously. Not that we want to give them *everything* for free. hehe.

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Jimmie

this is a good thread, and probably the best post ive personally ever made.... but I also gave away what my technique, which isnt proved yet lol

I got some new sites and am gonna try it, just dont have them powered by a paid script such as TM3 or UCJ, I'm using Chokers PHP version on one site and C version on another....

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people prefer threads with titles like:

"Does anyone else lick ass"

or

"Would you hit it?"

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KCat

jimmie - How do you like Choker's script?

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havent really tested it yet, but know alot of guys pushing alot of traffic through it(Chokers Scripts). I just started tonight, took my sites apart, made some design changes, emptied thumbs databases and reset trade scripts and i'm gonna try and work the same magic on these other sites. hopefully, with the same or better results.

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Anna_O

Good morning

Great post Jimmie!

Before going to bed skim was set to 70 on thumbs. Site is still growing nicely so I guess we'll keep it there. Hard to tell when only a few hours have passed but what the hell.

Also, have you noticed that traffic overall seems down on weekends? But sales have allways been the best for us on weekends and sponsor clicks usually are the same level as other days. Never really thought about this before starting a TGP

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zzgundamnzz

Set first clicks to gallery...

So your first 1-3 clicks will go the gallery 100% of the time and after that use your regular skim %.

After 4-5 free galleries the surfers just a moocher and deserves to get thrown to a trade.

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Anna_O

We have first click set 100% to the gallery. Used to have 2 but when trying with only 1 the site grew much faster and prod went up.

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garett

First click to gallery is almost detrimental to a small TGP unless your overall produtivity is extremely high.

In order to grow your site you need to grow your trades. Bookmarkers aren't as productive as people seem to think. They're mostly just traffic that you can count on to be there. You can't get bookmarkers without a lot of traffic anyway .. bookmarkers will either come out of search engine traffic or traded traffic .. so either way you're forced to grow your trades if you want to grow your site.

Lets do some math to see just how much first click to gallery affects your trades. For our purposes, let's say your overall productivity is 170% and you get 100 surfers. Here's what will happen:

Of those surfers you get 170 clicks (hence 170% prod). Your sending first click to gallery and only 70 of those surfers haved clicked twice, so you're down to 70 clicks that might go to trades. Of those 70 you're only sending 40% to trades (your skim is set to 60).

40% of 70 is 28. Therefore, out of 100 surfers you are sending an average of 28 back to trades.. your TRUE skim is only 28% because of first click to gallery.

Now you might say .. "but if first click goes to gallery I'd probably increase my overall productivity .. more people will click twice." But it isn't so. Your productivity is affected mostly by where your traffic is coming from and by how much surfers like your site.

Search engine traffic is by far the most productive .. follwed by hard link clicked and bookmarkers (tied) and then skimmed traffic that hasn't been skimmed much yet.

If your TGP is a thumb preview then the thumbs featured also greatly affects productivity.. which is why it's a good idea to get a TGP script that will track clicks on thumbs and put your most clicked thumbs at the top.

Sites like bunnyteens, puppykibble, teeniesxxx etc. all trade skimmed traffic and they get 100k + in bookmarkers daily. So unless you're a pure CJ site with no content .. I think the myth that surfers get annoyed by being redirected to trades is just that. Most of my non-webmaster friends whom I've talked to about skimming say they don't mind it .. it just gives them another new free porn site to surf. But that's why it's important to screen who you trade with.. you want to send surfers to trades that they will like.

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Anna_O

Great post garett

We have a very high productivity right now. 180% just from trades and 240% total. And we are sending out more to trades than we get in.

It's obvious that there are different opinions on what's the best way to go with a TGP. That's also why we made this thread. Please keep posting your views, it's nice to see a more productive thread than all those "Would you hit it" threads on the first page for once.

(Would you hit it threads are fun too though)

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Fucked Beyond Repair

Anna: Added your site as a trade on http://fetish.pornsurfers-paradise.com, traffic is not so high yet as I haven't promoted it so hard, skim is 65%.

// Vertigo

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Anna_O

Looking good Just force some hits to get the trade going. We are going on a 24 hr cruise tonight to Åland so we wont be home now until Sunday evening, will check up on the trade then.

Nu jävlar ska det krökas ikväll

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Forkbeard

Yes, it's very important...and very hard.

I had a trade sign up last night that was pushing and getting a lot of traffic by the time I logged in this morning. I went to check it out, and my very first click took me to a TGP that resized my browser window and permanently reset my default window size to full screen.

My damned morning coffee wasn't even done brewing, so I deleted and blacklisted the trade. Normally I give 'em a few more clicks and some "bad luck" leeway -- policing trades is hard -- but it was just too early in the damn morning for me to feel patient.

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SGS

Nice site.

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TheSwed

Great thread Anna!
Intresting to read what people have to say about skim...


Och ha såååå jävla kul på kryssningen *ler*

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Sorry, this math is flawed. 170% is only an average. The first surfer could click 15 times, the second might click once. There is no way to calculate the ABSOLUTE effect of enabling "first click to gallery" - you just need to try it and measure the effects...

For example, on one of my simple sites with a plain 50% skim and f=1 the number of clicks that go to galleries is 62%.

garett

I realize that. I'm not talking about absolute effect .. I'm talking on average. Trading and productivity is all about averages. You need a certain average productivity, with first click going to galleries or not, to send more to trades than they send you. But with first click going to gallery you need your productivity to be much higher.

Let's use your example and see what we come up with.

If you get 2 surfers, 1st clicks 15 and 2nd clicks 1 then you've got an average productivity of 800%. 2 clicks went to a gallery for sure .. so that leaves 14 clicks, or 87.5% of your clicks, that could go either way. Of those 14 clicks you send 40% to trades .. that's 5.6 hits out of the remaining 14.

So .. you've sent 5.6 hits to trades out of 16 clicks. 5.6 is 35% of 16. You lost 5% of potential hits out to trades. As your numbers grow this loss will increase .. like the 12% in my example.

Ideally you want to send more to trades than they send you. If you're skimming 50% then you need an average productivity of 200% to send the same amount back to trades. If first click goes to gallery then you need 300%.

This is a simplistic way of looking at it, I'll admit. One trade might send you 150 clicks and your script is going to have to balance out those clicks over galleries and trades. But you can't grow your site unless you're sending more to trades, in general, than they're sending you. You need to be able to push your trades .. and by sending first click to gallery you're limiting that .. though the idea is that you'll get more clicks .. in my experience I haven't seen that. In fact, my traffic dropped a lot when I tried sending first click to gallery.

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Back from the cruise

Some great points in this thread so far

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