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Lush · 02-10-2001, 04:50 PM

2 guys go to a bar and meet a girl. They start talking and buy her some shots. When suddenly she says that she would like to have sex with both of them.

They take her home and start a threesome. After one of them was done. He goes down stairs to tell his room mate. And tells him to pretend to be him and go fuck her. Since the room was dark, the room mate goes in and pretends to be him and has sex with her.

She enjoys it and even screams out the name of who she thought it was. Till this day, she still has no idea. Is this rape?

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Hazen · 02-10-2001, 05:03 PM

When the guy went downstairs to tell his friend, the friend knew what he was getting into. By him going upstairs I believe he knew what he was getting himself into and that by taking that action he had consented to the sex.

Technically I don't think you can call this rape. She didn't once say "no" or attempt to force the guy off. Even though he wasn't who she thought he was.

sixfm · 02-10-2001, 05:09 PM

I would consider that rape. What if it was someone you never intended to have sex with? What if this person got you pregnant and you found out through blood tests? She didn't consent to having sex with that person, she just didn't know. But, I'd say sex is safer with the lights on! d-:

Warphead · 02-10-2001, 05:45 PM

Actually that is rape. If a woman isn't able to consent to sex, like if she's drugged, comatose, or just fooled into thinking she's doing someone else the guy can be charged with rape.

She didn't say no because she didn't have the option. If a woman has no vocal cords she never says "no" but she can still be raped.

My question is why would the guys "trick" her into it, it seems to me if you're willing to fuck 2 strangers why assume you'd say no to a third?

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Hot Tropical Babes · 02-10-2001, 06:18 PM

No, i dont think its rape, she wanted a threesome, whats one more? Under different circumstances it wouldnt fly.

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wizardmerlin · 02-10-2001, 09:09 PM

I would have to agree that is rape. Not a very vicious one, but she did not give her consent to the third guy.

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Slick · 02-10-2001, 09:39 PM

That's a tough one man. I think that if the girl was willing to go home with 2 guys and if she took on the 3rd guy, she definately wasn't forced into it.

HOWEVER, if she thought that the 3rd guy was someone else, then in that case, it could be like Wizard says, it'd be like a mild rape. I guess that it would all have to go back to the woman. I'd assume that you're not gonna tell her about it, that'd be the only way that you'd find out for sure if it bugged her or not.

One thing that I have to say is that the person that got his roomate is a pretty generous man to share like that, he he.

In my opinion, I don't think that I'd consider it rape, but I don't think that it was fair to do that to the woman, even though she did enjoy it.

Slick

Babagirls · 02-11-2001, 03:27 AM

Okay...is THIS rape??

I met a guy online to me and my mans apartment...he was my friend for 2 months online. He kissed me and touched me and I said no a million times, he pinned me on the couch, i freed myself. Told him to leave, he began touching me all over again. I lead him to the bedroom, he undressed me, and fucked me, i layed there, staring at the ceiling, not wet or saying anything or moaning.. he cums and before he leaves, he says "Thank You!"...

Rape? Or no?

Lush · 02-11-2001, 05:13 AM

Babagirl,

It might have been rape until you lead him to the room. Why would you lead him to the room if you wanted him to stop?

For everyone else, I pretty much agree. If it was a rape, it wasn't violent and she did enjoy herself. Maybe a slap on the wrist. Though that won't happen cause no one that was involved even knows her name or vice versa. I would just hate to see something like that get prosecuted. Drunk asses!

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wizardmerlin · 02-11-2001, 05:29 AM

Babagirls, yours is not rape cause you led him to the bedroom to fuck you. If after getting to the bed room you said no.....then no means no!

Warphead · 02-11-2001, 02:38 PM

Babagirls, it sounds me that you may not be able to legally give consent because of a mental defect.

I think that if you aren't able to decide whether you want sex or not you shouldn't be dating.

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Enchantress · 02-11-2001, 03:08 PM

There should be a word that means a "lesser" degree of rape. Just because something doesn't fit the legal definition of rape it is still inappropriate and there should be consequences for that. I think both situations could be called sexual misconduct, but not rape.

Enchantress

rhizome · 02-11-2001, 03:37 PM

I think if a girl keeps saying no to being felt up and tells the guy to leave, then it's the guy's responsibility to get a "yes" from the girl before he fucks her. Just because the girl doesn't say anything or push the guy off doesn't meant that she gave her consent. Otherwise, guys could go around screwing mute parapalegics without worrying about rape . . .

Babagirls · 02-11-2001, 05:26 PM

Okay...the thing was, no matter what I did, I knew this guy wouldnt get off of me!! And I knew that if he didnt get what he wanted then he'd probably hurt me and get sex anyways!! I made it easier on myself and teh sooner he was done, the sooner he'd leave!! Thats why I did that!

Lush · 02-11-2001, 05:44 PM

I understand what your saying. But I don't think you can call that rape because you assumed he would.

Assuming someone will do something and then consenting is different than saying no and having him do it anyways.

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Babagirls · 02-11-2001, 05:47 PM

Well, I agree, I wouldnt call it RAPE...but that is a sexual assult...some frineds told me that was rape and I disagreed.

ace0r · 02-11-2001, 07:42 PM

i think it's pathetic that a roommate is so desperate to get laid that he'll fill in on someone else's score. there is no shame in jerking off dumbass.

facecreamer · 02-12-2001, 09:25 AM

I am not a layer and even when the law in Europe and the USA is different in many ways...
At first we say in Germany: Where's no prosecutor there's no judge. Will mean, when the girl didn't remarked who fucked her and therefore didn't prosecute the boy(s) it's not rape.
And even when she remarked it or somebody told her later, I do not think that she would have big success with a lawsuit, except she pointed out clearly that she didn't want to have sex with this specific guy.
Imagine a typical scene in a swinger-club where a women gets fucked be a couple of boys (sometimes even with a blindfold) and afterwards she prosecute several men, because she does not like their noses....

kemp · 02-12-2001, 12:38 PM

Okay, here's my opinion.

Regarding the first situation, yes, I would classify that as rape. I believe this because she had no say, and unlike the sex club example she did not consent to sex with this guy. If she were to find out at a later date that this person had sex with her she may feel violated and this could have some traumatic repercussions.

Regarding Babagirl's case I also believe this is rape. Since you said no many times, and only consented when you became afriad for your own safety. If this is a true story I am very sorry for you and hope you talk to the police about it.

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Warphead · 02-12-2001, 02:28 PM

Sorry Babagirl, the way you described it made it sound like you just couldn't make up your mind.

If he wouldn't leave it was rape. It doesn't matter if you comply, it only matters if you didn't have a choice.

And for you guys that are saying "there should be a lesser classification..." there is: sexual misconduct. However the examples we're talking about don't fall into that catagory. There's not some magic phrase that makes it not rape, just like murder rape is defined by intent. When a guy intends to have sex and the woman doesn't it's rape.

I mean if I walk up to a woman, point a gun at her and say "beg me for sex" that doesn't stop it from being rape.

blakkfrogg · 02-12-2001, 03:01 PM

Uh-oh... Blakk Frogg is stepping up to the plate.

Is that rape? Undoubtedly so. She agreed to have sex with 2 specific people, not three. The third guy had sex with her without her consent. This non-consensual sexual act, regardless of the fact that she was naked and banging two OTHER people, is, by strict definition, rape.

Is it as brutal as a forced or coerced sexual encounter? No, but it's still wrong and the woman's right were violated.

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kush · 02-12-2001, 07:47 PM

Yup it's rape, interesting hypothetical situation....

Babagirls · 02-13-2001, 01:19 AM

WARPHEAD...its okay hun..actually i did go to the police a few days later...I didnt have the nerve to tell anyone at first...I was afraid ...but they dismissed the case. EVEN THOUGH the guy I had this bad encounter with AGREED to everything in my statement! They dismissed it for "Lack of Evidence". I guess I should've told him to cum in a cup for me or something LOL

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facecreamer · 02-13-2001, 02:14 AM

Well, I still believe that according to german laws none of the above is rape. For us here in Europe your american legal system is a bit stange anyway (see thread 'IBM prosecuted for abetting the Holocaust??').
In Italy it was recently allowed by a court, that a manager of a department can give femals employees a slap on the ass!

adsproul · 02-13-2001, 02:48 AM

I don't get it, The guy consented.. whats the problem???

She didn't rape him!

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HQ · 02-13-2001, 04:57 PM

holy fuck guys, it's not a tough one at all. knock a girl out and she won't say no either. ...and consenting only makes sense when you have the ability to understand what is actually happening. did she want to have sex with that person? no.

IT IS RAPE.

i don't think this should be anything but completely obvious. it's scares me that it's not. if it is not rape by the law, then the law is wrong.

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xenigo · 02-13-2001, 08:09 PM

This is an interesting question. There's a couple different components to this. First being that she was intoxicated. Second, she consented to sex with the first two men, but didn't consent to the third. Third, she didn't know there was a third person.

First off, it can automatically be deemed rape because she was intoxicated, and may have been unable to make any decision regarding the matter. aka: she was taken advantage of by the third person, by means of being intoxicated, which is rape... regardless of whether she said no or not. She consented to the first two, but did not object to the third. I'm not sure if it can be deemed rape stricly on the basis that she didn't know she was fucking a third person. I think if she wasn't intoxicated, and didn't know there was a third person involved, it wouldn't be considered rape... but since alcohol was involved, it changes the legality quite a bit.

-Noah

Gemini · 02-13-2001, 10:23 PM

A man that would stoop so low is no man. At the very least its gross sexual imposition. And that can carry a slap on the wrist to quite a few years in jail. I think a judge would have opted to giving the guy several years with the big boys to get that sex thing out of his mind.
The other two were accomplices as well and should have been charged!

I hope those guys don't have animals for the animals own safety too!! Sheesh

02-10-2001, 04:50 PM	#1
Lush Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Midvale, Utah, USA Posts: 230	Would you consider this rape if........... 2 guys go to a bar and meet a girl. They start talking and buy her some shots. When suddenly she says that she would like to have sex with both of them. They take her home and start a threesome. After one of them was done. He goes down stairs to tell his room mate. And tells him to pretend to be him and go fuck her. Since the room was dark, the room mate goes in and pretends to be him and has sex with her. She enjoys it and even screams out the name of who she thought it was. Till this day, she still has no idea. Is this rape? ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.lushsex.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.lushsex.com </A>Everybody Get Your Mother Fu*#ing Lush on!

02-10-2001, 05:03 PM	#2
Hazen Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 224	When the guy went downstairs to tell his friend, the friend knew what he was getting into. By him going upstairs I believe he knew what he was getting himself into and that by taking that action he had consented to the sex. Technically I don't think you can call this rape. She didn't once say "no" or attempt to force the guy off. Even though he wasn't who she thought he was.

02-10-2001, 05:09 PM	#3
sixfm Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 139	I would consider that rape. What if it was someone you never intended to have sex with? What if this person got you pregnant and you found out through blood tests? She didn't consent to having sex with that person, she just didn't know. But, I'd say sex is safer with the lights on! d-:

02-10-2001, 05:45 PM	#4
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	Actually that is rape. If a woman isn't able to consent to sex, like if she's drugged, comatose, or just fooled into thinking she's doing someone else the guy can be charged with rape. She didn't say no because she didn't have the option. If a woman has no vocal cords she never says "no" but she can still be raped. My question is why would the guys "trick" her into it, it seems to me if you're willing to fuck 2 strangers why assume you'd say no to a third? [This message has been edited by Warphead (edited 02-10-2001).]

02-10-2001, 06:18 PM	#5
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	No, i dont think its rape, she wanted a threesome, whats one more? Under different circumstances it wouldnt fly. ------------------ Hot Tropical Babes

02-10-2001, 09:09 PM	#6
wizardmerlin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Porncity Sewers Posts: 418	I would have to agree that is rape. Not a very vicious one, but she did not give her consent to the third guy. ------------------ These Guys are solid, and pay every week. Direct Deposit! $10 MIN

02-10-2001, 09:39 PM	#7
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	That's a tough one man. I think that if the girl was willing to go home with 2 guys and if she took on the 3rd guy, she definately wasn't forced into it. HOWEVER, if she thought that the 3rd guy was someone else, then in that case, it could be like Wizard says, it'd be like a mild rape. I guess that it would all have to go back to the woman. I'd assume that you're not gonna tell her about it, that'd be the only way that you'd find out for sure if it bugged her or not. One thing that I have to say is that the person that got his roomate is a pretty generous man to share like that, he he. In my opinion, I don't think that I'd consider it rape, but I don't think that it was fair to do that to the woman, even though she did enjoy it. Slick

02-11-2001, 03:27 AM	#8
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	Okay...is THIS rape?? I met a guy online to me and my mans apartment...he was my friend for 2 months online. He kissed me and touched me and I said no a million times, he pinned me on the couch, i freed myself. Told him to leave, he began touching me all over again. I lead him to the bedroom, he undressed me, and fucked me, i layed there, staring at the ceiling, not wet or saying anything or moaning.. he cums and before he leaves, he says "Thank You!"... Rape? Or no?

02-11-2001, 05:13 AM	#9
Lush Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Midvale, Utah, USA Posts: 230	Babagirl, It might have been rape until you lead him to the room. Why would you lead him to the room if you wanted him to stop? For everyone else, I pretty much agree. If it was a rape, it wasn't violent and she did enjoy herself. Maybe a slap on the wrist. Though that won't happen cause no one that was involved even knows her name or vice versa. I would just hate to see something like that get prosecuted. Drunk asses! ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.lushsex.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.lushsex.com </A>Everybody Get Your Mother Fu*#ing Lush on!

02-11-2001, 05:29 AM	#10
wizardmerlin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Porncity Sewers Posts: 418	Babagirls, yours is not rape cause you led him to the bedroom to fuck you. If after getting to the bed room you said no.....then no means no!

02-11-2001, 02:38 PM	#11
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	Babagirls, it sounds me that you may not be able to legally give consent because of a mental defect. I think that if you aren't able to decide whether you want sex or not you shouldn't be dating. [This message has been edited by Warphead (edited 02-11-2001).]

02-11-2001, 03:08 PM	#12
Enchantress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wa. U.S.A Posts: 121	There should be a word that means a "lesser" degree of rape. Just because something doesn't fit the legal definition of rape it is still inappropriate and there should be consequences for that. I think both situations could be called sexual misconduct, but not rape. Enchantress

02-11-2001, 03:37 PM	#13
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	I think if a girl keeps saying no to being felt up and tells the guy to leave, then it's the guy's responsibility to get a "yes" from the girl before he fucks her. Just because the girl doesn't say anything or push the guy off doesn't meant that she gave her consent. Otherwise, guys could go around screwing mute parapalegics without worrying about rape . . .

02-11-2001, 05:26 PM	#14
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	Okay...the thing was, no matter what I did, I knew this guy wouldnt get off of me!! And I knew that if he didnt get what he wanted then he'd probably hurt me and get sex anyways!! I made it easier on myself and teh sooner he was done, the sooner he'd leave!! Thats why I did that!

02-11-2001, 05:44 PM	#15
Lush Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Midvale, Utah, USA Posts: 230	I understand what your saying. But I don't think you can call that rape because you assumed he would. Assuming someone will do something and then consenting is different than saying no and having him do it anyways. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.lushsex.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.lushsex.com </A>Everybody Get Your Mother Fu*#ing Lush on!

02-11-2001, 05:47 PM	#16
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	Well, I agree, I wouldnt call it RAPE...but that is a sexual assult...some frineds told me that was rape and I disagreed.

02-11-2001, 07:42 PM	#17
ace0r Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Calabasa, CA & Chicago, IL Posts: 1,410	i think it's pathetic that a roommate is so desperate to get laid that he'll fill in on someone else's score. there is no shame in jerking off dumbass.

02-12-2001, 09:25 AM	#18
facecreamer Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 102	I am not a layer and even when the law in Europe and the USA is different in many ways... At first we say in Germany: Where's no prosecutor there's no judge. Will mean, when the girl didn't remarked who fucked her and therefore didn't prosecute the boy(s) it's not rape. And even when she remarked it or somebody told her later, I do not think that she would have big success with a lawsuit, except she pointed out clearly that she didn't want to have sex with this specific guy. Imagine a typical scene in a swinger-club where a women gets fucked be a couple of boys (sometimes even with a blindfold) and afterwards she prosecute several men, because she does not like their noses....

02-12-2001, 12:38 PM	#19
kemp Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Utopia Posts: 392	Okay, here's my opinion. Regarding the first situation, yes, I would classify that as rape. I believe this because she had no say, and unlike the sex club example she did not consent to sex with this guy. If she were to find out at a later date that this person had sex with her she may feel violated and this could have some traumatic repercussions. Regarding Babagirl's case I also believe this is rape. Since you said no many times, and only consented when you became afriad for your own safety. If this is a true story I am very sorry for you and hope you talk to the police about it. ------------------ Get some traffic - Hardcore Free Sex Starved Lesi TGP

02-12-2001, 02:28 PM	#20
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	Sorry Babagirl, the way you described it made it sound like you just couldn't make up your mind. If he wouldn't leave it was rape. It doesn't matter if you comply, it only matters if you didn't have a choice. And for you guys that are saying "there should be a lesser classification..." there is: sexual misconduct. However the examples we're talking about don't fall into that catagory. There's not some magic phrase that makes it not rape, just like murder rape is defined by intent. When a guy intends to have sex and the woman doesn't it's rape. I mean if I walk up to a woman, point a gun at her and say "beg me for sex" that doesn't stop it from being rape.

02-12-2001, 03:01 PM	#21
blakkfrogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: South of sobriety Posts: 582	Uh-oh... Blakk Frogg is stepping up to the plate. Is that rape? Undoubtedly so. She agreed to have sex with 2 specific people, not three. The third guy had sex with her without her consent. This non-consensual sexual act, regardless of the fact that she was naked and banging two OTHER people, is, by strict definition, rape. Is it as brutal as a forced or coerced sexual encounter? No, but it's still wrong and the woman's right were violated. ------------------ www.wyldpussy.com/webmasters.html

02-12-2001, 07:47 PM	#22
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Yup it's rape, interesting hypothetical situation....

02-13-2001, 01:19 AM	#23
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	WARPHEAD...its okay hun..actually i did go to the police a few days later...I didnt have the nerve to tell anyone at first...I was afraid ...but they dismissed the case. EVEN THOUGH the guy I had this bad encounter with AGREED to everything in my statement! They dismissed it for "Lack of Evidence". I guess I should've told him to cum in a cup for me or something LOL ------------------ A wise man once said.."Wherever you go, there you are!"

02-13-2001, 02:14 AM	#24
facecreamer Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 102	Well, I still believe that according to german laws none of the above is rape. For us here in Europe your american legal system is a bit stange anyway (see thread 'IBM prosecuted for abetting the Holocaust??'). In Italy it was recently allowed by a court, that a manager of a department can give femals employees a slap on the ass!

02-13-2001, 02:48 AM	#25
adsproul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburg, Ca Posts: 295	I don't get it, The guy consented.. whats the problem??? She didn't rape him! ------------------ "It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end!" "Why don't you go outside, and play 'Hide and GoFuckYourself'?"

02-13-2001, 04:57 PM	#26
HQ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,539	holy fuck guys, it's not a tough one at all. knock a girl out and she won't say no either. ...and consenting only makes sense when you have the ability to understand what is actually happening. did she want to have sex with that person? no. IT IS RAPE. i don't think this should be anything but completely obvious. it's scares me that it's not. if it is not rape by the law, then the law is wrong. ------------------ HQ

02-13-2001, 08:09 PM	#27
xenigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 8,067	This is an interesting question. There's a couple different components to this. First being that she was intoxicated. Second, she consented to sex with the first two men, but didn't consent to the third. Third, she didn't know there was a third person. First off, it can automatically be deemed rape because she was intoxicated, and may have been unable to make any decision regarding the matter. aka: she was taken advantage of by the third person, by means of being intoxicated, which is rape... regardless of whether she said no or not. She consented to the first two, but did not object to the third. I'm not sure if it can be deemed rape stricly on the basis that she didn't know she was fucking a third person. I think if she wasn't intoxicated, and didn't know there was a third person involved, it wouldn't be considered rape... but since alcohol was involved, it changes the legality quite a bit. -Noah

02-13-2001, 10:23 PM	#28
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	A man that would stoop so low is no man. At the very least its gross sexual imposition. And that can carry a slap on the wrist to quite a few years in jail. I think a judge would have opted to giving the guy several years with the big boys to get that sex thing out of his mind. The other two were accomplices as well and should have been charged! I hope those guys don't have animals for the animals own safety too!! Sheesh