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Old 06-03-2004, 10:03 AM   #1
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures

If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
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is looking at 16 year olds as bad as killing children in war?
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Is it legal for an American to rape women in a country where there are very little laws ?
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
Depends... if it was sexually explicit or not.
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Sec. 2256. - Definitions for chapter



For the purposes of this chapter, the term -

(1)

''minor'' means any person under the age of eighteen years;

(2)

''sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or simulated -

(A)

sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(B)

bestiality;

(C)

masturbation;

(D)

sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(E)

lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(3)

''producing'' means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;

(4)

''organization'' means a person other than an individual;

(5)

''visual depiction'' includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image;

(6)

''computer'' has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;

(7)

''custody or control'' includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;

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''child pornography'' means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -

(A)

the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B)

such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(C)

such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

(D)

such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

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''identifiable minor'' -

(A)

means a person -

(i)


(I)

who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or

(II)

whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and

(ii)

who is recognizable as an actual person by the person's face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and

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shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:07 AM   #6
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i dont think it's legal to look at
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:14 AM   #7
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funny how similar countries view some issues very different.

And no Fletch killing children is worse in my books.
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
It's not illegal in the US as long as it's not considered sexually arousing or what ever the term they use is for it. That's how the pedos get away with that shit calling it artistic work.
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Old 06-03-2004, 11:03 AM   #9
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
There was a proposal to lower the age at which a person could be a porn performer to 16, in the UK.

The law is still 18.

Art nudes of minors are not, in and of themeselves, illegal, but I would never touch them.

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Old 06-03-2004, 11:24 AM   #10
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I dont know for england, but here (Macedonia), everything is legal
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There was a proposal to lower the age at which a person could be a porn performer to 16, in the UK.

The law is still 18.

Art nudes of minors are not, in and of themeselves, illegal, but I would never touch them.

Right the law states that the child is still a minor and needs Parental Consent. A 16 year old is not old enough to enter a legal contract and that is what a model release is.

So unless you have Mum or Dad's approval you could be in a heap of trouble.

A 16 year old can take part in a gang bang and be filmed doing it, they just cannot sign a model release and you cannot show the pictures to anyone. Showing the pictures to another person is regarded as publishing, in the UK.
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:51 PM   #12
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So unless you have Mum or Dad's approval you could be in a heap of trouble.

A 16 year old can take part in a gang bang and be filmed doing it, they just cannot sign a model release and you cannot show the pictures to anyone. Showing the pictures to another person is regarded as publishing, in the UK.
In Canada, where I am, you can gang bang a 14 year old girl, and unless you are in a position of authority, such as a teacher, you are breaking no laws. (assuming she is consenting, of course).

But take a porn picture of a girl, 18 yo less a day, and it is kiddie porn. Consent cannot be given to the filming, even by her parents. Possession is a serious crime. As soon as you press the record button on the cam, you are in deep dodo....

What is "porn" vs "art" is a subjective call by the police and the courts. I am paranoid enough that I don't shoot anyone less than 18, at all. Even family wedding pics....

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Old 06-03-2004, 01:54 PM   #13
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?

You're running behind
The law 'recently' changed, it's not legal anymore. They age limit is raised to 18 yo.
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:55 PM   #14
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I wouldnt want to chance it... 18+ here only
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Old 06-03-2004, 02:00 PM   #15
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Technically i suppose he shouldn't, but probably could and get away with it
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It's not illegal in the US as long as it's not considered sexually arousing or what ever the term they use is for it. That's how the pedos get away with that shit calling it artistic work.
Looking at a nude 16 year old does not make someone a pedophile..
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?


You can legally have sex at 16 but you cannot go public with your body until 18. Been that way for a long time.


Most countries apply this to prevent exploitation.
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Erm...Brits can't pose naked at 16, silly people.
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Looking at a nude 16 year old does not make someone a pedophile..
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Erm...Brits can't pose naked at 16, silly people.
most brits are much too ugly to pose nude - age doesn't make a difference
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It's not illegal in the US as long as it's not considered sexually arousing or what ever the term they use is for it. That's how the pedos get away with that shit calling it artistic work.

That artistic shit really does not work anymore. Nudity under the age of 18 is out - period.
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You're running behind
The law 'recently' changed, it's not legal anymore. They age limit is raised to 18 yo.
like he said : 18 ... check this

http://www.iwf.org.uk/hotline/uk_law.html#CHILD

Sexual Offences Act 2003: Key Changes (England and Wales)

The following are pertinent extracts from the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (SOA 2003), which came into force on the 1 st May 2004. This Act will amend the Protection of Children Act 1978 accordingly.



S. 45 Indecent photographs of persons aged 16 or 17.

The Protection of Children Act 1978 ? meaning of ?child? - increased from 16 to 18 years of age
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Here are the hard facts from someone who lives in the UK and shoots his own content:

Prior to May 2004 a girl of 16 could pose for nude photo's if her parents were present at the shoot and gave their written consent. It was illegal to pose for porn under 18.

Since May 2004 it is now illegal for under 18's to even pose topless or appear semi clothed, as in ligerie, provocatively and the parents can no loonger sign their consent..

Where the UK is a real arse is that this law is retroactive. This means that anyone found in posession of topless or nude images of models under 18, even if shot before May 2004, when it was legal to do this face legal action.

A model release is not a legal document. This is to show that the model consented to the shoot and gives over all claims to rights of the images from the shoot to the photographer.

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It's not illegal in the US as long as it's not considered sexually arousing or what ever the term they use is for it. That's how the pedos get away with that shit calling it artistic work.
Thats not true David Hamilton did art photography of young girls 14 and under nude had art books in stores. He does this no more for fear of jail.
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
1- are you American??
2- age of consent is 14 in Quebec.. so WHO CARES!!!
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Thats not true David Hamilton did art photography of young girls 14 and under nude had art books in stores. He does this no more for fear of jail.
That's because some judges don't know how to interpret the law...
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Some nuge posing is classified as artistic...I don't know how they classify porn posing from that
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If it is legal to pose nude at 16 in England, can an American view these pictures if the legal age to pose is 18?
I dont think its TOO bad.. personally.
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What sikko would want to look at a 16 year old????
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Here are the hard facts from someone who lives in the UK and shoots his own content:

Prior to May 2004 a girl of 16 could pose for nude photo's if her parents were present at the shoot and gave their written consent. It was illegal to pose for porn under 18.

Since May 2004 it is now illegal for under 18's to even pose topless or appear semi clothed, as in ligerie, provocatively and the parents can no loonger sign their consent..

Where the UK is a real arse is that this law is retroactive. This means that anyone found in posession of topless or nude images of models under 18, even if shot before May 2004, when it was legal to do this face legal action.
I heard some months ago that it was legal for topless (only) photos of 16-17 year old girls to be published in newspapers. I guess the newspaper only requirement was to limit the spread of the material outside of the UK where the laws obviously differed.

If this retroactive law applies then anyone who has an old paper lying around is now in possession of CP?

I did a google search for "UK topless 16 year" or similar to try to find info on this, but all I got returned were pedo site results.
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Hi Alex.. it's not - it's illegal in England.
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