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Old 06-02-2004, 04:44 PM   #1
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Best NBA player in the last years..

Ok, what's in your opinion the best NBA player in the last years..?

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Old 06-02-2004, 04:44 PM   #2
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:45 PM   #3
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:46 PM   #4
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How many years? 10-15? Jordan, noone else comes close
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:51 PM   #5
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:58 PM   #8
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:04 PM   #9
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:06 PM   #10
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Shaq is as dominant as Jordan. Nobody gives Shaq the proper respect. It would have been interesting to see Jordan's Bulls and Shaq's Lakers in the same era.
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Shaq is as dominant as Jordan. Nobody gives Shaq the proper respect. It would have been interesting to see Jordan's Bulls and Shaq's Lakers in the same era.
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Not to mention, paxson and others, not only that really, but Jordan is money, freethrows, 3 point, driving the lane and so on. Shaq is huge and that the only advantage, if your unable to plow through the lane at 7' 300+ lbs then you got issues. God forbid it's game 7 with a few ticks left on the clock and Shaq's at the line.

BULLS in 4 easy
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:43 PM   #15
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I agree, jordan, kukoc, pippen, magic,..

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Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
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Jordan, Kobe, AI, KG, T-MAC...they're a dime-a-dozen and almost every team has one.

Nobody dominates their position like Shaq.
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Shaq is as dominant as Jordan. Nobody gives Shaq the proper respect. It would have been interesting to see Jordan's Bulls and Shaq's Lakers in the same era.
I agree. 3 rings working on a 4th and still playing.

It certainly is not Garnett.
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Shaq is as dominant as Jordan. Nobody gives Shaq the proper respect. It would have been interesting to see Jordan's Bulls and Shaq's Lakers in the same era.
Shaq is living proof that any 7 foot tall retard can make millions in the NBA

All time, Jordan or Magic Johnson

Last few years, KG, Duncan, Kobe
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Jordan, Kobe, AI, KG, T-MAC...they're a dime-a-dozen and almost every team has one.

Nobody dominates their position like Shaq.

WTF are you snorting....

Nobody dominated the league like jordan did... You can not put anyone in Mike's level.. how dare u put kobe ai kg and tracy in the same sentence.. are u dumb!!!???

Shaq is just a big piece of bones and muscles.. he is NOT bad.. but he aint all that... I guarantee you anything that if you were to give all the coaches in the league a choice between jordan or shaq ... at least 27 teams would pick MJ
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WTF are you snorting....

Nobody dominated the league like jordan did... You can not put anyone in Mike's level.. how dare u put kobe ai kg and tracy in the same sentence.. are u dumb!!!???

Shaq is just a big piece of bones and muscles.. he is NOT bad.. but he aint all that... I guarantee you anything that if you were to give all the coaches in the league a choice between jordan or shaq ... at least 27 teams would pick MJ
Absolutely not. Shaq is a phenomenal athlete. He is a great passer and a great defender. His job isn't easy and he is not the tallest guy to play the game.

Your forgetting something else, Kobe has a few more rings then Jordan did at his age. If Kobe gets 8 rings in his career, is he the greatest? Probably not, becasue some of Jordan's legacy revolves around the way he changed the game on a multi-media level.

Jordan is one of the greats ever, but no way 27 teams take him over Shaq.

However, I do agree with you about KG. I can't believe he is in this conversation. Might as well put Webber in there as well while we are at it
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Right now...Shaq, Kobe, Garnette, T-Mac, Duncan

Greatest in the 90's and possibly ever. J-O-R-D-O-N

At the height of his carreer, you can put Jordan on a college team, and they'll probably make the playoff at the nba level, that's how great Jordan was as a leader w/ a high basketball IQ, athlete, motivator, and competitor.

Shaq can't shoot free throws. He's got some skills for a big man, but let's get real. He's mainly brute force. The Bulls of Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Paxson would shut the lakers of today down w/ defense. The old Rodman could psyche out Shaq w/ mental games (technicals on Rodman and Shaq--advantage-Bulls). The young Pippen would strain Kobe to 20 points or under. No one can consistently guard Jordan.

Back then, players were allowed to hand check their opponents, so alot of the foul on Jordan wasn't even call, and he already had alot of foul calls.





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Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
Haha - well said...
didn't know that they have for everything stats...
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:05 PM   #46
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Jordan, Kobe, AI, KG, T-MAC...they're a dime-a-dozen and almost every team has one.

Nobody dominates their position like Shaq.
This is the single most retarded thing you have said to date on here, ya Jordan is a dime a dozen. Ok man
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:17 PM   #48
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I miss watching Jordan. Anything better than him would be non-human.
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Last 6 years = Shaq


Jordan every year before that, lol.
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