Cell phone/mobile porn as an upsell? - GoFuckYourself.com

colpanic · 05-29-2004, 02:05 PM

Hey everybody, this is my first post to GFY! I don't run any adult sites at the moment but I'm amazed at how tight knit the group seems to be. Too bad the rest of the biz world doesn't work this way!

Anyway, my post is a combination a) call for beta sites, and b) open discussion on mobile content. I'd really appreciate your feedback.

At wirerunner.com (site not launched yet), we have designed a software solution that helps people deliver content (images, and soon video) to mobile phones and PDA's via SMS. The goal is to let adult sites easily distribute their pics to their members, without having to manually deal with all the complexities of mobile.

Currently, WireRunner doesn't do any billing to your customers, as we assume you are already integrated with CCBill or another provider. Our goal is to give your existing members some added value, and help you differentiate your site and sell more subscriptions. (how many sites offer mobile versions today?)

When we send a link to the users phone, it has an expiring subscription to it. The subscriptions expire at a time you select (30 days, 1 week, whatever), and are "locked" to that users device to prevent super-distribution.

I envision this as a better alternative to creating a purely mobile version of your site, and trying to get in front of users on phones.. Too hard to type in URL's by hand, and the phone companies are going to be shy about putting porn on their homedeck.

A couple of details we are working through, that I hope the board can help me get answers to.

1: What would be your preferred method of adding this feature to your site? A link-away to another webpage that would return the user back afterwards? A PHP library? Perl? SOAP?

2. How many images do you normally have on a given site? 1000? 10,000?

3. What is your average number of paying customers in a month? (sorry if this is'nt talked about). 10? 1000? Averages or rough statements would be fine.

4. What operating system do you do your content management on? Windows? Mac? Linux?

Thanks for your help! And let me know if you have a site that might make a good beta customer!

Either respond to this post, or ICQ me if you want to talk more about anything.

Thanks.

Todd

torrey · 05-29-2004, 02:07 PM

Welcome Col.

bluedevil · 05-29-2004, 02:07 PM

welcome to GFY...

PornHero · 05-29-2004, 04:07 PM

Welcome colpanic,

I just got my Palm Treo 600 the other day

I think mobile porn is still a few years off, the screen resolution is 100x better that it was 5 years ago but still needs improvement i think. Also it costs $$ to download images for the mobile user... I think my package is something like $5/mb... so I wont be surfing for porn on this sucker until they offer a unlimited transfer plan...

But I do foresee the day when we can offer a "mobile membership" at say half the cost of a regular membership on our sites...

Just to answer one of your questions, a good site will have more than 10,000 pics and lots of videos....

now

kak_azn · 05-29-2004, 04:12 PM

I dont care nobody want's to look at porn on a cell phone but good luck!

PornHero · 05-29-2004, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kak_azn
I dont care nobody want's to look at porn on a cell phone but good luck!

Not right now, but there will be the day when people will be surfing for porn on their mobile device... my Treo600 is more like a computer that is also a cellphone rather than the other way around... and can you imagine 1000s of horny young executives being bored waiting for a flight, in their hotel room, back of a cab... there is tons of places/scenarios where people will eventually be looking for porn on their PDAs simply cuz their bored...

Aquarius · 05-29-2004, 04:19 PM

Welcome

colpanic · 05-29-2004, 04:51 PM

Those Treo's are pretty. Which network is it on? T-Mobile?

There are still a lot of phone companies charging monthly fees for data usage, but that is going to change in the next year. Sprint/Verizon already have all you can eat packages, and as they start to realize that the money is in selling things, not bits, they will change.

The Sprint Treo is even fairly highspeed by comparison. (up to 56k, instead of 14.4 that you get on AT&T/Cingular/T-Mobile).

That being said, I think the market is starting to pick up. As an example, Sports Illustrated is selling their swimsuit models as background images for phones (using a system I designed at my former employer), and several large soft-core sites are investigating similar solutions.

Check out the SI site: (not that I would pay 2 bucks for one photo, but what the heck, people are strange)
http://si.fuelshop.com/

SoBeGirl Video · 05-29-2004, 05:06 PM

I have sold several lic to guys who wanted to use the some of the ************* collection for cell phone content. Most were happy with the way the biz is going and continue to by from me from time to time...

:-)

colpanic · 05-30-2004, 09:41 PM

I know some of the phone companies over in the UK are selling adult content (or letting others do so)... Voda does it, as does O2 I believe.

Anybody know of others?

nap · 05-30-2004, 09:47 PM

Take a look @ the Toshiba 9950. Resolution is amazing and the Vision network on the device is very nice. Few years away from moblie porn? Nope, more like a year. My Sanyo 7300 has damn good resolution as well. I send pictures (porn) to my device and they look decent.

Video porn we are probably a few years away, but the pictures shouldn't be too far away. Good luck

Newton - XXXAmigoz · 05-30-2004, 09:55 PM

colpanic, hit me up on icq .. 195-843-696

colpanic · 05-31-2004, 09:11 AM

If anyone has a color WAP enabled phone and wants an SMS sent to their phone with some sample pics ICQ me your a) mobile operators name and b) your phone #

I promise, no junk, just 1 SMS with a sample subscription.

T

txtbill · 05-31-2004, 11:05 AM

colpanic good to see a yank with some view to the future, the rest saying no one wants to see it are stupid fuckers and dont deserve to say they're part of the adult community!

Within the UK and Europe we are seeing the beginnings of this and its becoming increasingly popular for users, the reason people slate it is because they are too stupid to realise the potential and are so small time that they dont have the resources or knowledge to tap this market!

Well done to you colpanic and hit me up for some real life examples of how to do this, and I may also be able to work with you on a few of my ideas.

colpanic · 05-31-2004, 08:46 PM

bump? (Sorry, I'm a newb to this board, but I presume this is how you get it back visible on this fast scrolling list)

Lord Aga · 06-01-2004, 06:05 AM

We are pushing porn to cellphones.. we have a site called http://www. logopimp.com that does quite well.. business is growing as more and more people get he new phones.

http://www.cellphonebucks.com

Aga

colpanic · 06-01-2004, 09:44 AM

Hehe.. logopimp, cool! I love the orgasm ringers.

Hey, I've been wondering about this. Since you are selling adult'ish images, but are really just selling ringers and backgrounds, did you get slammed with the $750 fee from Visa?

If not, who is your merchant?

Thanks.

T

colpanic · 06-01-2004, 09:10 PM

bump!

05-29-2004, 02:05 PM	#1
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	Cell phone/mobile porn as an upsell? Hey everybody, this is my first post to GFY! I don't run any adult sites at the moment but I'm amazed at how tight knit the group seems to be. Too bad the rest of the biz world doesn't work this way! Anyway, my post is a combination a) call for beta sites, and b) open discussion on mobile content. I'd really appreciate your feedback. At wirerunner.com (site not launched yet), we have designed a software solution that helps people deliver content (images, and soon video) to mobile phones and PDA's via SMS. The goal is to let adult sites easily distribute their pics to their members, without having to manually deal with all the complexities of mobile. Currently, WireRunner doesn't do any billing to your customers, as we assume you are already integrated with CCBill or another provider. Our goal is to give your existing members some added value, and help you differentiate your site and sell more subscriptions. (how many sites offer mobile versions today?) When we send a link to the users phone, it has an expiring subscription to it. The subscriptions expire at a time you select (30 days, 1 week, whatever), and are "locked" to that users device to prevent super-distribution. I envision this as a better alternative to creating a purely mobile version of your site, and trying to get in front of users on phones.. Too hard to type in URL's by hand, and the phone companies are going to be shy about putting porn on their homedeck. A couple of details we are working through, that I hope the board can help me get answers to. 1: What would be your preferred method of adding this feature to your site? A link-away to another webpage that would return the user back afterwards? A PHP library? Perl? SOAP? 2. How many images do you normally have on a given site? 1000? 10,000? 3. What is your average number of paying customers in a month? (sorry if this is'nt talked about). 10? 1000? Averages or rough statements would be fine. 4. What operating system do you do your content management on? Windows? Mac? Linux? Thanks for your help! And let me know if you have a site that might make a good beta customer! Either respond to this post, or ICQ me if you want to talk more about anything. Thanks. Todd __________________ I like ducks.

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05-29-2004, 04:51 PM	#8
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	Those Treo's are pretty. Which network is it on? T-Mobile? There are still a lot of phone companies charging monthly fees for data usage, but that is going to change in the next year. Sprint/Verizon already have all you can eat packages, and as they start to realize that the money is in selling things, not bits, they will change. The Sprint Treo is even fairly highspeed by comparison. (up to 56k, instead of 14.4 that you get on AT&T/Cingular/T-Mobile). That being said, I think the market is starting to pick up. As an example, Sports Illustrated is selling their swimsuit models as background images for phones (using a system I designed at my former employer), and several large soft-core sites are investigating similar solutions. Check out the SI site: (not that I would pay 2 bucks for one photo, but what the heck, people are strange) http://si.fuelshop.com/ __________________ I like ducks.

05-30-2004, 09:41 PM	#10
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	I know some of the phone companies over in the UK are selling adult content (or letting others do so)... Voda does it, as does O2 I believe. Anybody know of others? __________________ I like ducks.

05-29-2004, 04:07 PM	#4
PornHero Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,381	Welcome colpanic, I just got my Palm Treo 600 the other day I think mobile porn is still a few years off, the screen resolution is 100x better that it was 5 years ago but still needs improvement i think. Also it costs $$ to download images for the mobile user... I think my package is something like $5/mb... so I wont be surfing for porn on this sucker until they offer a unlimited transfer plan... But I do foresee the day when we can offer a "mobile membership" at say half the cost of a regular membership on our sites... Just to answer one of your questions, a good site will have more than 10,000 pics and lots of videos.... now

05-29-2004, 04:12 PM	#5
kak_azn So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: TEXAS BAN Posts: 3,055	I dont care nobody want's to look at porn on a cell phone but good luck!

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Aquarius Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mom's basement Posts: 4,754	Welcome

05-29-2004, 05:06 PM	#9
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	I have sold several lic to guys who wanted to use the some of the ************* collection for cell phone content. Most were happy with the way the biz is going and continue to by from me from time to time... :-)

05-30-2004, 09:47 PM	#11
nap Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: midwest Posts: 2,765	Take a look @ the Toshiba 9950. Resolution is amazing and the Vision network on the device is very nice. Few years away from moblie porn? Nope, more like a year. My Sanyo 7300 has damn good resolution as well. I send pictures (porn) to my device and they look decent. Video porn we are probably a few years away, but the pictures shouldn't be too far away. Good luck

05-30-2004, 09:55 PM	#12
Newton - XXXAmigoz Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,026	colpanic, hit me up on icq .. 195-843-696 __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

05-31-2004, 09:11 AM	#13
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	If anyone has a color WAP enabled phone and wants an SMS sent to their phone with some sample pics ICQ me your a) mobile operators name and b) your phone # I promise, no junk, just 1 SMS with a sample subscription. T __________________ I like ducks.

05-31-2004, 11:05 AM	#14
txtbill Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bradford - UK Posts: 341	colpanic good to see a yank with some view to the future, the rest saying no one wants to see it are stupid fuckers and dont deserve to say they're part of the adult community! Within the UK and Europe we are seeing the beginnings of this and its becoming increasingly popular for users, the reason people slate it is because they are too stupid to realise the potential and are so small time that they dont have the resources or knowledge to tap this market! Well done to you colpanic and hit me up for some real life examples of how to do this, and I may also be able to work with you on a few of my ideas. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

05-31-2004, 08:46 PM	#15
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	bump? (Sorry, I'm a newb to this board, but I presume this is how you get it back visible on this fast scrolling list) __________________ I like ducks.

06-01-2004, 06:05 AM	#16
Lord Aga Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 479	We are pushing porn to cellphones.. we have a site called http://www. logopimp.com that does quite well.. business is growing as more and more people get he new phones. http://www.cellphonebucks.com Aga

06-01-2004, 09:44 AM	#17
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	Hehe.. logopimp, cool! I love the orgasm ringers. Hey, I've been wondering about this. Since you are selling adult'ish images, but are really just selling ringers and backgrounds, did you get slammed with the $750 fee from Visa? If not, who is your merchant? Thanks. T __________________ I like ducks.

06-01-2004, 09:10 PM	#18
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	bump! __________________ I like ducks.