UK, Australia, and Canada are so violent. (Michael Moore) - GoFuckYourself.com

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 04:03 AM

OK, I know we have a lot of British, Australian, and Canadian webmasters here. Many of you have commented on the high US homicide rates. So why are there so many assault victims in your countries?

Maybe Michael Moore is right. Too much fear. You've been watching too much American TV. Stop watching Cops!

Seems that you're more violent than US. We're just better at finishing the job off. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...ss_vic&int=100

1. Saint Kitts and Nevis 3.0% (1999)
2. United Kingdom 2.8% (1999)
3. New Zealand 2.4% (1991)
4. Australia 2.4% (1999)
5. Canada 2.3% (1999)
6. Finland 2.1% (1999)
7. France 1.4% (1999)
8. Denmark 1.4% (1999)
9. Belgium 1.2% (1999)
10. United States 1.2% (1999)

P.S. Someone will say "your statistics are reported differently". Pretty lame without evidence. Oh, yeah. Go dig up some other crime stat. I have more too. Let's go!

P.S.S. Unlike you, I'm being facetious and intentionally controversial. Canada, Australia, and the UK rule. ;-)

JFK · 05-24-2004, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
OK, I know we have a lot of British, Australian, and Canadian webmasters here. Many of you have commented on the high US homicide rates. So why are there so many assault victims in your countries?

Maybe Michael Moore is right. Too much fear. You've been watching too much American TV. Stop watching Cops!

Seems that you're more violent than US. We're just better at finishing the job off. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...ss_vic&int=100

1. Saint Kitts and Nevis 3.0% (1999)
2. United Kingdom 2.8% (1999)
3. New Zealand 2.4% (1991)
4. Australia 2.4% (1999)
5. Canada 2.3% (1999)
6. Finland 2.1% (1999)
7. France 1.4% (1999)
8. Denmark 1.4% (1999)
9. Belgium 1.2% (1999)
10. United States 1.2% (1999)

P.S. Someone will say "your statistics are reported differently". Pretty lame without evidence. Oh, yeah. Go dig up some other crime stat. I have more too. Let's go!

P.S.S. Unlike you, I'm being facetious and intentionally controversial. Canada, Australia, and the UK rule. ;-)

Well its a good thing I read alll the way down

Yes Colin, Canada Rocks, I dunno about the others however

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 04:09 AM

Oh, and the French!

"Opinion polls indicate the French are putting an increasing sense of insecurity at the top of their list of concerns. And crime has become the topic of many dinnertime conversations. During a nationally televised interview on Bastille Day, President Jacques Chirac mentioned rising crime as the country's greatest concern. "People are scared," he said.

Chirac cited as reasons for the trend a "lack of state authority" and "lack of political will" to tackle the problem, a direct jab at the government led by the rival Socialist Party of Prime Minister Lionel Jospin. Chirac proposed a "zero-tolerance" policy much like that of Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York."

(2001 article)

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JFK
Well its a good thing I read alll the way down Yes Colin, Canada Rocks, I dunno about the others however

When I was young and lived in New York I used to drive over the border to buy beer.
I will forever be indebted to the Canadian way of life. ;-) Besides my family is from Canada.

PS Why is it such a good thing? People write such things about "the Americans" every day on this board.

EviLGuY · 05-24-2004, 04:13 AM

I'd rather be assaulted and alive then murdered.

What kind of site is Nationmaster.com anyways? I dont see any official ties to any government whatsoever.

Find some more corroborating sources.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by EviLGuY

Find some more corroborating sources.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

eroswebmaster · 05-24-2004, 04:24 AM

this one will be at least a 2 pager ;)

Joe Citizen · 05-24-2004, 04:26 AM

Australia has never had a real gun culture.

Here if someone fucks with you you sort it with your fists like a man instead of a coward with a gun.

At least everyone is still alive afterwards.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Here if someone fucks with you you sort it with your fists like a man instead of a coward with a gun.

So you condone violence and consider it "manly"? Now I see why you have so much violent crime! Did you get this way from watching too much American TV?

JFK · 05-24-2004, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
this one will be at least a 2 pager ;)

nawww Colin is on a roll here, I can see 3-4

Spudman · 05-24-2004, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

i'm from wales and dont find it to bad. not worse than anywhere else but there is a fair bit of fighting and stuff. i mainly blame it on the amount that people drink in the UK. i would say it is one of the heaviest drinking counrties at the moment and this has an effect on the crime rate. but if its just piss heads fighting piss heads then there not really much of a problem as you just leave them to it

if the drunken fights were not included in the statistics in sure they would be a lot better and people generally dont get hurt in drunken brawls they just get busted by the cops and put as a statistic to make the cops looks like they are busting more people ass.

Joe Citizen · 05-24-2004, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
So you condone violence and consider it "manly"? Now I see why you have so much violent crime! Did you get this way from watching too much American TV?

No, I don't condone violence. I'm not a violent person.

But if it came down to it I'd rather use my fists than a gun.

But I'm lucky enough not to have to worry about gun violence.

PS: You Americans need to get more edumacashun: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_sch_lif_exp_tot

Tytan · 05-24-2004, 04:31 AM

He so loves Saddam & Iraq

someone needs to beat the shit out of him

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

How can the UK be compared to the US...? It can't. Purely on the difference of population size.

nitemonkey · 05-24-2004, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Australia has never had a real gun culture.

Here if someone fucks with you you sort it with your fists like a man instead of a coward with a gun.

At least everyone is still alive afterwards.

Yep

Naughty · 05-24-2004, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
How can the UK be compared to the US...? It can't. Purely on the difference of population size.

You're kidding, right?

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Australia has never had a real gun culture.

Here if someone fucks with you you sort it with your fists like a man instead of a coward with a gun.

At least everyone is still alive afterwards.

Fists? hahaha

Slapping is not using a fist, you little bitch. Who was the last Australian to win the Boxing Heavyweight Championship of the World (any Boxing Organization)?

Australians can't fight. They're bigger pussies than the French.

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
How can the UK be compared to the US...? It can't. Purely on the difference of population size.

There is a whole science devoted to statistics and statistical analysis. You should read up on it, because it can answer your question.

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Naughty
You're kidding, right?

Tell me why I would be kidding?

How many people did that survey include?
How many were from which countries?

I'm not seeing anywhere near enough info there... lol

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
Tell me why I would be kidding?

How many people did that survey include?
How many were from which countries?

I'm not seeing anywhere near enough info there... lol

Again, there is a science devoted to extrapolation of data from statistical sampling. It's fascinating stuff if you can understand it.

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
There is a whole science devoted to statistics and statistical analysis. You should read up on it, because it can answer your question.

Spudman · 05-24-2004, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
Again, there is a science devoted to extrapolation of data from statistical sampling. It's fascinating stuff if you can understand it.

fascinating!! you joking? statistics is the most boring shit i've ever had to learn.

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spudman
fascinating!! you joking? statistics is the most boring shit i've ever had to learn.

I like being able to predict with 97% certainty that 30% of you on GFY have IQs under 90.

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
Again, there is a science devoted to extrapolation of data from statistical sampling. It's fascinating stuff if you can understand it.

You can always get a best guess from stats and info, but to truly compare the countries, you would need them to be as near to equal as possible.

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
You can always get a best guess from stats and info, but to truly compare the countries, you would need them to be as near to equal as possible.

Staistically speaking, you're wrong and I can say that with 100% certitude.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
You can always get a best guess from stats and info, but to truly compare the countries, you would need them to be as near to equal as possible.

So you're saying american homicide statistics might not have anything to do with american culture?

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
Staistically speaking, you're wrong and I can say that with 100% certitude.

You are aware that statistics can be wrong and change very frequently, aren't you.

Not arguing the above stats. just another point.
If you think I have a low IQ because of it, so be it.

Buff · 05-24-2004, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
You are aware that statistics can be wrong and change very frequently, aren't you.

Not arguing the above stats. just another point.
If you think I have a low IQ because of it, so be it.

They can? Well then I guess there's no point in measuring anything if things can change. We should all just sit around a campfire singing Kumbaya and howling at the moon with the wolves.

Spudman · 05-24-2004, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
I like being able to predict with 97% certainty that 30% of you on GFY have IQs under 90.

so by stating my opinion that i find statistics boring ( i should think most people do) i have a low IQ ?? nice

Paul Markham · 05-24-2004, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
So you condone violence and consider it "manly"? Now I see why you have so much violent crime! Did you get this way from watching too much American TV?

It's a country populated by convicts and prison guards, you think they are going to settle an argument over a cup of tea?

Only joking Aussies.

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
So you're saying american homicide statistics might not have anything to do with american culture?

No, I'm not saying that and to be honest I really can't be bothered to go further on and explain today. Just being lazy.

will watch and see where the thread goes...

Paul Markham · 05-24-2004, 05:26 AM

So where does the US rank against those countries in violent deaths or death by guns?

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff
They can? Well then I guess there's no point in measuring anything if things can change. We should all just sit around a campfire singing Kumbaya and howling at the moon with the wolves.

It's called sarcasm, lol.

You feel free to go and howl with the wolves though.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
So where does the US rank against those countries in violent deaths or death by guns?

The US is 24th in the world in homicide rate and dropping fast.

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
So where does the US rank against those countries in violent deaths or death by guns?

The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowli...o/gunstats.htm

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
The US is 24th in the world in homicide rate and dropping fast.

link?

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 06:04 AM

bump

Joe Citizen · 05-24-2004, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
OK, I know we have a lot of British, Australian, and Canadian webmasters here. Many of you have commented on the high US homicide rates. So why are there so many assault victims in your countries?

Maybe Michael Moore is right. Too much fear. You've been watching too much American TV. Stop watching Cops!

Seems that you're more violent than US. We're just better at finishing the job off. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...ss_vic&int=100

1. Saint Kitts and Nevis 3.0% (1999)
2. United Kingdom 2.8% (1999)
3. New Zealand 2.4% (1991)
4. Australia 2.4% (1999)
5. Canada 2.3% (1999)
6. Finland 2.1% (1999)
7. France 1.4% (1999)
8. Denmark 1.4% (1999)
9. Belgium 1.2% (1999)
10. United States 1.2% (1999)

P.S. Someone will say "your statistics are reported differently". Pretty lame without evidence. Oh, yeah. Go dig up some other crime stat. I have more too. Let's go!

P.S.S. Unlike you, I'm being facetious and intentionally controversial. Canada, Australia, and the UK rule. ;-)

Hey Colin I like this site!

Did you know that Cuba is a more literate country than the USA?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_mal

Maybe old Castro was on to something after all!

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
link?

US Crime rate:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

World Crime rate:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

1. Colombia 0.63 per 1000 people
2. South Africa 0.51 per 1000 people
3. Jamaica 0.32 per 1000 people
4. Venezuela 0.32 per 1000 people
5. Russia 0.19 per 1000 people
6. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people
7. Lithuania 0.10 per 1000 people
8. Estonia 0.10 per 1000 people
9. Latvia 0.10 per 1000 people
10. Belarus 0.09 per 1000 people
11. Ukraine 0.09 per 1000 people
12. Papua New Guinea 0.08 per 1000 people
13. Kyrgyzstan 0.08 per 1000 people
14. Thailand 0.07 per 1000 people
15. Moldova 0.07 per 1000 people
16. Zambia 0.07 per 1000 people
17. Seychelles 0.07 per 1000 people
18. Zimbabwe 0.07 per 1000 people
19. Costa Rica 0.06 per 1000 people
20. Poland 0.05 per 1000 people
21. Georgia 0.04 per 1000 people
22. Uruguay 0.04 per 1000 people
23. Bulgaria 0.04 per 1000 people
24. United States 0.04 per 1000 people

Joe Citizen · 05-24-2004, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Hey Colin I like this site!

Did you know that Cuba is a more literate country than the USA?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_mal

Maybe old Castro was on to something after all!

Okay, it was male literacy I just realised.

Bah! We shouldn't have taught women to read anyway.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Hey Colin I like this site!

Did you know that Cuba is a more literate country than the USA?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_mal

Maybe old Castro was on to something after all!

You're just trying to distract attention from all the people in Australia that get pushed off cliffs and buildings!
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-B/...ro_hig_pla_cap

Spudman · 05-24-2004, 06:11 AM

46. United Kingdom 0.01 per 1000 people

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Okay, it was male literacy I just realised.

Bah! We shouldn't have taught women to read anyway.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Okay, it was male literacy I just realised.

Bah! We shouldn't have taught women to read anyway.

No worries for you there ...
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_tot_pop

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spudman
46. United Kingdom 0.01 per 1000 people

That's better.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
That's better.

Just an hour ago you said "You are aware that statistics can be wrong and change very frequently, aren't you."

Change your mind?

chemicaleyes · 05-24-2004, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
Just an hour ago you said "You are aware that statistics can be wrong and change very frequently, aren't you."

Change your mind?

No.

Joe Citizen · 05-24-2004, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
No worries for you there ...
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_tot_pop

It's amazing the things I'm discovering on that site. All this time I thought we we taxed more in Australia than you are in the USA.

Apparently I was wrong: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_bud_rev_cap

Paul Waters · 05-24-2004, 06:16 AM

In Canada the politically correct crowd have succeeded in defining assult to include raising your voice.

In the US, if you can get up afterwards there is no assult, if I understand your ways correctly.......

So the numbers are not comparable.

ADL Colin · 05-24-2004, 06:18 AM

Joe,

You can't touch us here...
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_wmd_ove_cap

(Numbers removed to protect the innocent)

05-24-2004, 04:03 AM	#1
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	UK, Australia, and Canada are so violent. (Michael Moore) OK, I know we have a lot of British, Australian, and Canadian webmasters here. Many of you have commented on the high US homicide rates. So why are there so many assault victims in your countries? Maybe Michael Moore is right. Too much fear. You've been watching too much American TV. Stop watching Cops! Seems that you're more violent than US. We're just better at finishing the job off. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...ss_vic&int=100 1. Saint Kitts and Nevis 3.0% (1999) 2. United Kingdom 2.8% (1999) 3. New Zealand 2.4% (1991) 4. Australia 2.4% (1999) 5. Canada 2.3% (1999) 6. Finland 2.1% (1999) 7. France 1.4% (1999) 8. Denmark 1.4% (1999) 9. Belgium 1.2% (1999) 10. United States 1.2% (1999) P.S. Someone will say "your statistics are reported differently". Pretty lame without evidence. Oh, yeah. Go dig up some other crime stat. I have more too. Let's go! P.S.S. Unlike you, I'm being facetious and intentionally controversial. Canada, Australia, and the UK rule. ;-) __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

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