2 Teachers In My Family Have Moved On

[Fletch XXX]

the state of teachers under this current admin would shock any of you who were involved behind the scenes, not just talkuing about having a kid in school, talking about hearing family talk about things.

In LA alone they cut education funding 450 million this year.

They also decided to let go of many teachers, and have replaced them with uncertified, student /teachers who do not get paid as much and are not as trained.

Want to know why?

because the "no child left behind" crap and all this bullshit they are shoving down the mouths of voters is a total crock.

teachers here are no longer allowed to make lesson plans, they must follow strict STATE formed new guidelines and lessons.

No longer can teachers teach. I have 2 college counselors and 2 teachers in family, 2 have moved on ones quote "why be a teacher when anyone can do it? They dont even allow us to make lessons anymore, we have to teach hat they tell us to teach and its propaganda crap that isnt even necessary."

my kids will be homeschooled, no way will i put them into the communist system known as public schools, nor will i make them prt of the propaganda system.

do you people not realize public school is a method used to teach your kids what they *want to teach them* - propaganda. And since none of them will remember Iraq, or Vietnam, or Saddam, it all looks good on paper.

Anyway, your world suffers in more ways than most of you notice.

its not just about gas, its about stripping teachers of both their funding an gifted talents. One is now becoming a punk rock hair dresser and makes what a teacher makes in a day in a few hours in Hollywood.

[DR_PHIL]

man i know what you mean. We got money to blow on wars but the educational system is pure shit. Alot of districts in the red, teachers going without.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DR_PHIL
man i know what you mean. We got money to blow on wars but the educational system is pure shit. Alot of districts in the red, teachers going without.

My girlfriends sister was teaching before she was even certified, they even had her working with classrooms of handicapped children as well man. Once one of them brought a knife or gun to school and was covered in blood.

LA is hurting and no one seems to care.

This state is having to close down schools, hospitals, clinics... and they keep cutting funding.

the budget was decreased 450 million in LA alone this pasy tear, and the students increased by over 18k per capita or however its marked.

id never think of putting a kid through this horrible system.

[FuqALot]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Anyway, your world suffers in more ways than most of you notice.

[Fletch XXX]

I prefer Pacino over sermons



"the world chico, and everything in it."

[M_M]

No worries, USA will still keep collecting the cream of the crop from other countries, the smart international students coming from much better educational backgrounds will keep filling up the US colleges.

Let us worry about gas prices now, its more important than the education issue

At least we feel safe now, I rather have American soldiers die than to see orange alerts, which scare me shitless.

[Honeyslut]

Yes, education is a sad state in California. Sorry to hear about your family members.

My daughter wants to be a teacher. She's 4.0 and brilliant in math and science. I keep telling her there is no money but that is where her heart is.


The only reason our music program survives is by charging the parents 9 bucks or so to see a performance.

We are fortunate to have the 2nd top county in the state for quality teaching and scoring on STAR testing. I am hoping my girls will be graduated before the quality goes down.

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by M_M
No worries, USA will still keep collecting the cream of the crop from other countries, the smart international students coming from much better educational backgrounds will keep filling up the US colleges.

Let us worry about gas prices now, its more important than the education issue

At least we feel safe now, I rather have American soldiers die than to see orange alerts, which scare me shitless.

Yep , they love the aliens for colleges.
I just saw on the news last night that in Ca per student a semster is going up to over 2000 while non-residance it is over 10,000.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Yep , they love the aliens for colleges.
I just saw on the news last night that in Ca per student a semster is going up to over 2000 while non-residance it is over 10,000.

California schools are filled with non-americans.

You know how hard it is for a California white boy like me to get into UCLA?

But let an international student apply, and BOOM they are in.

Why?

because they pay triple the costs, who would a school rather take in? Me or someone who will pay them 3 times for the same education?

its simple, and since my family has international ties, I am able to see just how easily the system is manipulated.

[Jer]

Public schools are shitty in Brazil. They were better than the private ones in the past, but now they're crap.

Every country should invest a GOOD part of the taxes in education. Education is the future. But they don't want the people educated, they want the people brainwashed.

[M_M]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
California schools are filled with non-americans.

You know how hard it is for a California white boy like me to get into UCLA?

But let an international student apply, and BOOM they are in.

Why?

because they pay triple the costs, who would a school rather take in? Me or someone who will pay them 3 times for the same education?

its simple, and since my family has international ties, I am able to see just how easily the system is manipulated.

If it was as cheap for international students, there would be way more smart international applicants, still not increasing the acceptance chances of american students.

[DreamCumTrue]

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Yep , they love the aliens for colleges.
I just saw on the news last night that in Ca per student a semster is going up to over 2000 while non-residance it is over 10,000.

In every state my son applied to colleges in, non-resident means anyone not a resident of THAT STATE, not just foreigners. And the schools have a set number of resident and a set number of non-resident openings. I'm sure a lot depends on the budget that particular year - don't forget those non-resident tuitions are what allows the resident tuitions to be lower.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Jer
Public schools are shitty in Brazil. They were better than the private ones in the past, but now they're crap.

Every country should invest a GOOD part of the taxes in education. Education is the future. But they don't want the people educated, they want the people brainwashed.

At least in GA, throwing money at the problem doesn't help. The city of Atlanta spends more per student than any other school system, yet they are among the lowest performing districts.

Parents are the key to a good education.

[TaDoW]

god damn dude .. you have a LOT of posts.

[Doctor Dre]

It already sucks in canada, I can't even imagine the states . Teachers can't even do out of school projects anymore here and that kind of shit. If they do, they must go without getting paid .

I had no interest back in school, I don't want to imagine the new kids now

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches
In every state my son applied to colleges in, non-resident means anyone not a resident of THAT STATE, not just foreigners. And the schools have a set number of resident and a set number of non-resident openings. I'm sure a lot depends on the budget that particular year - don't forget those non-resident tuitions are what allows the resident tuitions to be lower.

for the record, i said "international, and non american" not just talking about residents and non residents.

LA is filled with more INTERNATIONAL students than most states, I am willing to bet more INTERNATIONAl students than GA.

UCLA for one.

[Fletch XXX]

oh and sorry, im confusing schools here.

cal State not UCLA.

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by Peaches
In every state my son applied to colleges in, non-resident means anyone not a resident of THAT STATE, not just foreigners. And the schools have a set number of resident and a set number of non-resident openings. I'm sure a lot depends on the budget that particular year - don't forget those non-resident tuitions are what allows the resident tuitions to be lower.

Residents are already paying into the system FOR YEARS with house,car, employment taxes etc etc etc .

There should be no waiting list for residents.

[Fletch XXX]

Put it this way.

"San Diego State received a record number of applications this year - 44,000 - and accepted approximately 15,000."

[smokingdawn]

That was the main reason I moved out of CA

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Residents are already paying into the system FOR YEARS with house,car, employment taxes etc etc etc .

There should be no waiting list for residents.

ahem, remember the "lotto" in states is supposed to help fund education.

it never does.

few even think about it

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Put it this way.

"San Diego State received a record number of applications this year - 44,000 - and accepted approximately 15,000."

wow

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
ahem, remember the "lotto" in states is supposed to help fund education.

it never does.

few even think about it

Oh , yeah. I hear the teachers bitch about that one.

[The Truth Hurts]

Teachers suck, period.

99% of the teachers I've ever experienced were more interested in being friends with the students than teach us anything.

Fucking English classes where english wasn't tought, but rather "indian history", complete with field trips so that we could make our own Tee-pee's, Math classes where I'd have to point out the the teachers mistakes, it was laughable.

And the saddest part, reading "Lord of the Flies" not once, or twice... but (at least once) EVERY year from 7th to 12th grade.

Teachers should be replaced by computers, the chairs should be fitted with restraints, and the students under constant testing.

[Manowar]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Teachers suck, period.

what do you expect, most teachers are the failures of what they were taught to do - if your good at economics and you were taught it, you would go and do something in economics.. but the crap people cant get the job and just teach the next generation

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Residents are already paying into the system FOR YEARS with house,car, employment taxes etc etc etc .

There should be no waiting list for residents.

So every state should let in as many residents that want in before allowing non-residents? I'm glad it's NOT like that as my son WANTED to go to a school that was out of state.

And as far as paying into the system, should a resident on welfare be allotted a lower rank on admission than a resident who pays taxes?

I know here in GA there are WAY more applicants than spots. In 2001 they started implementing what's called the Freshman Index which makes a formula from your GPA and SAT score. The minimum for getting into ANY state funded college here is a B average and a 1200 SAT score. There are thousands of kids in trailers in elementary, middle and HS and no one's building more colleges for when they graduate. More and more are going to private 2 and 3 year tech schools to learn a trade which, IMHO, makes a lot more sense than going to state college for 4 years and 2 or so years of that taking classes that have nothing to do with your major

I suspect there will be a huge shift in the college situation over the next 5-10 years. Again, IMHO, there are so many other things wrong with colleges these days that resident and non-resident admissions is a small matter.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Peaches
At least in GA, throwing money at the problem doesn't help. The city of Atlanta spends more per student than any other school system, yet they are among the lowest performing districts.

Parents are the key to a good education.

how much of that money goes to administrators though?
Does anyone keep track of what the money is spent on
Do parents get involved in the schools?

JUST throwing money at it isn't the total solution, but not giving the schools any money isn't doing anyone any good either.

An example: my son has selective mutism and he has a really great resource teacher that has had several breakthrough moments and that teacher is leaving because she simply can't live on what she's making. As much as she enjoys teaching, it's unfair of her to have to make a vow of poverty to stick with it.

He had another teacher last year who did the same thing.

The school he is in is actually a great school, but it's frustrating seeing good teachers leave just because they can make more money sweeping floors at one of the major casinos .than teaching our kids.

The "no child left behind" act is a joke. It zaps creativity for a set rigid requirements. Why do we even have teachers anyways? May as well have robots teaching our kids.

I still send my kids to public school because
1. I can't afford private school for all of them yet ;-)
2. I like the interaction they get with other kids they wouldn't get from homeschooling

It's frustrating and just sickens me. It's not just a California problem either, it's a nationwide problem, but GW and the boys feel better killing Iraqi children than teaching our own.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
how much of that money goes to administrators though?
Does anyone keep track of what the money is spent on
Do parents get involved in the schools?

Dont worry about peaches she probably wouldnt even believe there are thousands of kids in this state that do not even have desks to sit in, let alone teachers.

Your situation sounds exactly like my girls little sister.

She was teaching and was dealing with special children, she LOVEd working with them, its very tough to do, but she did it and was making like minimum wage, she wasnt certified.

As I said, today she is being examined by the state for license to do hair and is now a punk rock hair dreser instead of dealing with kids who we all KNOW NEED this special attention of girls like her, well, she'll be doing dreads for 600 a head and making triple what a teacher makes and thats the sad part of reality.

She couldnt afford a small Hollywood apt on what she was making as a teacher, now she will.

the kids will be the ones to suffer, no one else.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Teachers suck, period.

99% of the teachers I've ever experienced were more interested in being friends with the students than teach us anything.

Fucking English classes where english wasn't tought, but rather "indian history", complete with field trips so that we could make our own Tee-pee's, Math classes where I'd have to point out the the teachers mistakes, it was laughable.

And the saddest part, reading "Lord of the Flies" not once, or twice... but (at least once) EVERY year from 7th to 12th grade.

Teachers should be replaced by computers, the chairs should be fitted with restraints, and the students under constant testing.

I'm glad I didn't go to the school you went to

Where I went to school, I had a bunch of great teachers who challenged me to push myself. My third grade teacher is one of the greatest influences I've had in my life. As a kid I was considered a "brain" and got a lot of shit for it , but helped me chanel my frustration and anger at this redneck motherfucks by focusing on writing and word arts. I wrote a book in third grade (simple 10 pieces of typing paper folded in half) and she pushed me to keep writing and even went so far as to give me extra challenges like advanced spelling words and math problems (that I was still graded the same as my peers). Every year to this day, I still send her a Christmas card.

[SykkBoy]

um, not that it needs to be said
but my typing teacher didn't challenge me much ;-))

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
I'm glad I didn't go to the school you went to

Massachusetts public schools.

[Fletch XXX]

I went to private Catholic school, never knew public schools were so bad.

I had nuns and priests standing over me trying to get me to do better every day.

The teachers in private schools were like fucking drill sergeants compared to public schools.

My highschool experience was public school, and i was surprised the teachers were much nicer than the disciplined catholic s i had to be taught under.

but my learning excelled as when I hit public schools i passed with mostly all A's through highschool, was a breeze.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
how much of that money goes to administrators though?
Does anyone keep track of what the money is spent on
Do parents get involved in the schools?

JUST throwing money at it isn't the total solution, but not giving the schools any money isn't doing anyone any good either.

Of course the parents don't get involved. They couldn't care less. Most of the parents in that school district who send their kids there either don't pay taxes at all or they pay very little 'Tis why I said parental involvement is most important.

The public schools here spend more per student than the private schools do. The teachers at the private schools are paid less and have less benefits than the public schools. Yet the public schools are failing and the private schools are not. I have a hard time convincing myself that money is the major factor I'm not saying don't give them any money, I'm saying there reaches a point where throwing good money after bad becomes counterproductive.

A couple of things for your personal situation:

1) Most of son's soccer team in HS was homeschooled. The home school groups here do a LOT of things together including taking classes so there's not an interaction problem. You should look into seeing if there's something similar in your area.
2) Have you thought of hiring the teacher that left as a tutor? I did that when my son's AP Calculus teacher left on maternity leave

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I went to private Catholic school, never knew public schools were so bad.

I'm catholic, I'm not religious, and try to keep religion out of my house... my wife is sometheing else.. protestant i think but not religious either, my daughter is going to a private catholic next fall.. no fucking way in hell she's going to public school.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
I'm catholic, I'm not religious, and try to keep religion out of my house... my wife is sometheing else.. protestant i think but not religious either, my daughter is going to a private catholic next fall.. no fucking way in hell she's going to public school.

my mom felt the same.

didnt want to push religion on me but wanted me to get the best education her money could buy.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Peaches
Of course the parents don't get involved. They couldn't care less. Most of the parents in that school district who send their kids there either don't pay taxes at all or they pay very little 'Tis why I said parental involvement is most important.

The public schools here spend more per student than the private schools do. The teachers at the private schools are paid less and have less benefits than the public schools. Yet the public schools are failing and the private schools are not. I have a hard time convincing myself that money is the major factor I'm not saying don't give them any money, I'm saying there reaches a point where throwing good money after bad becomes counterproductive.

A couple of things for your personal situation:

1) Most of son's soccer team in HS was homeschooled. The home school groups here do a LOT of things together including taking classes so there's not an interaction problem. You should look into seeing if there's something similar in your area.
2) Have you thought of hiring the teacher that left as a tutor? I did that when my son's AP Calculus teacher left on maternity leave

Parental involvement is definately a big key
When I went to school, everyone came out for the football games or basketball games every weekend, a majority of the people in town came out for all of the school pageants and really supported the school and school system. I don't see much of that anymore and it drives me nuts as that support helped get teachers through times and helped us kids respect and appreciate the involvement everyone put in.

I'm still just not a fan of homeschooling. I still feel it takes away from being with other kids from other cultures and nationalities.

I'm actually looking into religious schools because they have a better discipline structure and seem to produce great results. I've been looking into the Hebrew Academy for my youngest for when he starts kindergarten (don't have to be jewsih to attend). I have a gripe with the kindergarten situation here though, they only go to school for 2 1/2 hours a day. They can't be expected to learn anything insuch a short amount of time. I'm looking into some of the private kindergartens and the Hebrew Academy just so he can attend a full day.

I've actually thought of hiring his current resource teacher as a tutor, but she's planning on pursuing her new career full time (she'll be a floor manager at one of the casinos).

I don't think the school system here in Clark County is totally broken, it just needs some fixes. I relaize with the constant influx of new residents, it's nearly impossible to keep building the schools fast enough to keep up (fucking Californians ;-)).

[goBigtime]

I know a couple teachers in California as well. It's pretty sick what's going on.

Properly educated masses obviously isn't part of the plan for this countries future.

[ADL Colin]

My high school teachers (public schools) were dreadful. I swear they taught us what an adjective and an adverb were for four straight years. Well, it sunk in. But what's a gerund? Smashing.

I taught school my first year out of college. The kids were great and were able to learn a LOT more than what was in the lesson plans I was supposed to stick to. My experience taught me that the teachers can make a world of difference. Most high school teachers are awful though and the public school teaching culture is appalling/ For many teachers there was an "us vs. them" mentality, I observed many talking badly about students in the teacher's cafeteria ("What out for so-and-so next year in your class. She's really bad"), many of them were barely proficient in their subjects. They didn't know the answers to basic questions in their "fields".

In the end, I didn't want to live on a teacher's salary.

[Peaches]

Here's an interesting turn of events in light of this discussion:

Entire school staff fired

[Kassidy]

How else are the republican business owners going to ensure an under-educated, low paid work force for the future?

[jas1552]

You do realize that education is funded at the state level right? The federal government does give a little bit to the states for things like subsidized school lunch and some after school programs, but this amounts to a drop in the bucket of over all education spending.

Maybe you don't like "no child left behind" but something had to be done. The education system in the US was fucked way before Bush became president. The democrats are too closely tied to the teachers union to do what needed to be done. Teachers generally are against anything that will make their job harder. Such as higher standards and more testing to learn if the goals are being met.

[maxjohan]

I must say that high school was too easy... (8th grade was harder)

*I want to see more thinking in school and that it's not only good results that matters... teachers could work more with what students is good at instead of improving everything bad...
all the time.

And YES, students deserve to be teached by the best-- who fully burn for what they are teaching in.

only then you learn something, and everything els is irrelevant.

[cherrylula]

I have an Aunt who is a college counselor and gives a lot of speeches at high schools trying to encourage kids to become teachers. Its sad but she is quite the trooper.

She makes them watch Mr Holland's Opus.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
And the saddest part, reading "Lord of the Flies" not once, or twice... but (at least once) EVERY year from 7th to 12th grade.

Maybe because of the symbolisim in the Lord of the Flies?

Adults = Government

Kids = We the people


Right up there with the food pyramid.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
the state of teachers under this current admin would shock any of you who were involved behind the scenes, not just talkuing about having a kid in school, talking about hearing family talk about things.

In LA alone they cut education funding 450 million this year.

They also decided to let go of many teachers, and have replaced them with uncertified, student /teachers who do not get paid as much and are not as trained.

Want to know why?

because the "no child left behind" crap and all this bullshit they are shoving down the mouths of voters is a total crock.

teachers here are no longer allowed to make lesson plans, they must follow strict STATE formed new guidelines and lessons.

No longer can teachers teach. I have 2 college counselors and 2 teachers in family, 2 have moved on ones quote "why be a teacher when anyone can do it? They dont even allow us to make lessons anymore, we have to teach hat they tell us to teach and its propaganda crap that isnt even necessary."

my kids will be homeschooled, no way will i put them into the communist system known as public schools, nor will i make them prt of the propaganda system.

do you people not realize public school is a method used to teach your kids what they *want to teach them* - propaganda. And since none of them will remember Iraq, or Vietnam, or Saddam, it all looks good on paper.

Anyway, your world suffers in more ways than most of you notice.

its not just about gas, its about stripping teachers of both their funding an gifted talents. One is now becoming a punk rock hair dresser and makes what a teacher makes in a day in a few hours in Hollywood.

All this shit did not happen in the current admin. Was going way before, going on before Clinton.

Try the teacher's union.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
My girlfriends sister was teaching before she was even certified, they even had her working with classrooms of handicapped children as well man. Once one of them brought a knife or gun to school and was covered in blood.

LA is hurting and no one seems to care.

This state is having to close down schools, hospitals, clinics... and they keep cutting funding.

the budget was decreased 450 million in LA alone this pasy tear, and the students increased by over 18k per capita or however its marked.

id never think of putting a kid through this horrible system.

you don't think Mr. Grey Davis had anything 2 do with whats going on now in California?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by jimmyf
you don't think Mr. Grey Davis had anything 2 do with whats going on now in California?

hehe, you know how many times I have linked this site on this board?

Who Killed California?

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
hehe, you know how many times I have linked this site on this board?

Who Killed California?

Buchanan is just a little 2 far right for me thank you very much.
Don't get me wrong man I'm 2 the right but he leaves me in the dust.

he has some **I** would say ideals that are, just a tad far right verging on far out.

Some are very good.

[Nanda]

Originally posted by Jer
Public schools are shitty in Brazil. They were better than the private ones in the past, but now they're crap.

Every country should invest a GOOD part of the taxes in education. Education is the future. But they don't want the people educated, they want the people brainwashed.

I think that is everywhere. I even know kids who go to catholic schools and are so damn stupid!

I have no kids, and 40% of the taxes we pay on our house goes towards the schools here....