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dropped9 · 05-04-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
So enlighten us with all the countries where you have been? How come you know so much more about freedom than me?

Never said I knew more about freedom then you.

Spin spin spin baby....

You are the one who questioned my post...

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:43 PM

Quick quick, i want to go to bed, answer me and then you can continue to play with Joe.

debbieN · 05-04-2004, 08:44 PM

IF the usa had a flat tax and got rid of emminant domain to steal your property I would say yes to the us.

Having traveled to many countries I have not felt truely free unless you are very wealthy.

Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population.

Switzerland?

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by EddiePulp

Free to own a handgun?

Alex From San Diego · 05-04-2004, 08:44 PM

Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form.

While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times.

hydro · 05-04-2004, 08:44 PM

mexico

you can do just about anything there without the cops getting on your ass.

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
Never said I knew more about freedom then you.

Spin spin spin baby....

You are the one who questioned my post...

Ok thanks, i almost was afraid you had something useful to say but youre just full of shit and acting like yet another proud american who knows nothing about anything just what he sees in his backyard.

Nighty night.

dropped9 · 05-04-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by debbieN

Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population.

onno · 05-04-2004, 08:45 PM

still none of the above

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Quick quick, i want to go to bed, answer me and then you can continue to play with Joe.

Nah, I don't want to play with Headless!

I'm only a tourist in this thread!

Mikey_219Inc · 05-04-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
It's funny holland comes up... I was watching a special on how parent pimp out their kids for money in that country..

and this doesnt happen in the US?

I think a pre-requisite to posting in this thread ought to be that you have actually visited other countries than your own.

in florida - people can ride motorcycles without a helmet but i can get a ticket for driving without a fucking seatbelt. the us puts junkies in jail, in holland they focus more on rehabilitation. it has a lot more to do with the smoking weed and hookers - many european countries are light years ahead of america in many ways

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
Free to own a handgun?

How about freedom from gun violence?

dropped9 · 05-04-2004, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Ok thanks, i almost was afraid you had something useful to say but youre just full of shit and acting like yet another proud american who knows nothing about anything just what he sees in his backyard.

Nighty night.

I guess we are in the same boat since you make accusations with baseless second hand info.

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form.

While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times.

Why you keep attacking me dude? Put words in my mouth? I only said America isnt the most free country in the world. Are you really offended by this? I had a friendly chat with brainless and you just keep busting my balls and act like im said things which i didnt say.

So whats your problem...quick i REALLY want to go to bed now.

Ash@phpFX · 05-04-2004, 08:47 PM

i think australia is pretty good, probably not the most free, but thats not always a bad thing, ie we are not free to carry semi automatic weapons around, i consider this a plus.

There are a few censorship laws that piss me off, but they dont apply to the whole country, just to some of that states

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
I guess we are in the same boat since you make accusations with baseless second hand info.

Arghhh ok 1 last post while i wait for Alex.

You are really comparing your view on freedom with mine?

Lets see:

You: Never been outside the US.

Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

Ok...before you post again read this over and over again till you get the hint.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss

You: Never been outside the US.

Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

Yeah well I've been to 28 countries and gotten wasted in all of them.

dropped9 · 05-04-2004, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Arghhh ok 1 last post while i wait for Alex.

You are really comparing your view on freedom with mine?

Lets see:

You: Never been outside the US.

Me: Been to the US several times, in several cities in several states plus at least 10 other countries in the world.

Ok...before you post again read this over and over again till you get the hint.

Its funny how you are so sure of yourself. Meanwhile I have never given you the info you need to make such statements...

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Yeah well I've been to 28 countries and gotten wasted in all of them.

You sure did a good job when you were here.

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
How about freedom from gun violence?

no one is immune to gun violence, and you know why? because people were killing people long before guns were invented, it didn't happen the minute a flintlock rifle was invented - and no matter how tightly controlled guns are, they are still used in commission of a crime - by criminals.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
You sure did a good job when you were here.

Amsterdam is special to me.

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
Its funny how you are so sure of yourself. Meanwhile I have never given you the info you need to make such statements...

Oh please negro...

So youve been to other countries but you wont tell me hahahah.

You already proven you stupidity once in this thread no need to do it again.

Alex??

dropped9 · 05-04-2004, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Oh please negro...

So youve been to other countries but you wont tell me hahahah.

You already proven you stupidity once in this thread no need to do it again.

Alex??

HAHAHA the only thing I have proven is that you are a moron. Only morons take what they read or hear from other ppl as fact.

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 08:59 PM

So far we have USA, Canada, Netherlands, and Australia

Anyone else?

Dirty F · 05-04-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
HAHAHA the only thing I have proven is that you are a moron. Only morons take what they read or hear from other ppl as fact.

Bye cluecless.

Alex dissapeared to avoid looking stupid...something you shouldve done as well few posts ago.

Ok its exactly 6 in the morning im going to bed now.

AMERICA - Home of the brave land of the free!!!
WOohoO

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
no one is immune to gun violence, and you know why? because people were killing people long before guns were invented, it didn't happen the minute a flintlock rifle was invented - and no matter how tightly controlled guns are, they are still used in commission of a crime - by criminals.

You are dead wrong.

Our rates of firearm violence are tiny compared to yours.

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 09:04 PM

UK citizens aren't free to own handguns, but Americans aren't free to travel to Cuba. Does this balance out?

Discuss.

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
You are dead wrong.

Our rates of firearm violence are tiny compared to yours.

but gun violence exists? so who are these people who break the law and use these weapons?

I wouldn't like to live in a society that only the criminals are free to own weapons.

EddiePulp · 05-04-2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
Free to own a handgun?

Free to go to bed and not have to worry about some motherfucker coming into your house with a handgun and robbing your arse.

Mr.Fiction · 05-04-2004, 09:08 PM

The United States has a very strong Constitutional protection of free speech, but it's useless if someone like Bush appoints activist right wing Supreme Court justices who re-interpret the constitution to suit their political goals.

StuartD · 05-04-2004, 09:10 PM

Patriot Act = All your Freedoms are belong to Bush

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 09:12 PM

World Press Freedom Ranked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2354077.stm

Read and discuss.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
but gun violence exists? so who are these people who break the law and use these weapons?

I wouldn't like to live in a society that only the criminals are free to own weapons.

I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The chance that I could be a victim of gun violence in Australia is virtually ZERO.

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by EddiePulp
Free to go to bed and not have to worry about some motherfucker coming into your house with a handgun and robbing your arse.

Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
Just free to knife you to death instead then, perhaps you can challenge the burglar to a dual - however my point is you are not "free" to the decision of owning a handgun, you are told you can not own one, is anyone truely free? there is laws to prohibit lots of things, laws made by the rich, protection for the rich etc. it's not who is the most free, it's who's government does not restrict the freedom of it's citizens the most?

What would we need handguns for in Australia?

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
What would we need handguns for in Australia?

once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 09:24 PM

Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Alex From San Diego · 05-04-2004, 09:24 PM

When you give me your dissertation and premise behind FDR's New deal, I'll comment.....I'm watching the Last samuri...catch you tomorrow.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
once more missing the point, you do not have the "freedom" to own one, if you so wish - which was my point.

You are missing my point.

We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

We've simply traded one freedom for another.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

All handguns are banned.

Farmers are entitled to have rifles because they need them but they must be registered.

xenophobic · 05-04-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
You are missing my point.

We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

We've simply traded one freedom for another.

You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?

StuartD · 05-04-2004, 09:36 PM

This whole gun thing is a ghey argument anyway.

You're not free to murder anyone or steal stuff either.

There's somethings that you're just not free to do.

Move on already.

The US has guns. Australia doesn't.
Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.

Agreed? Ok, great... next topic?

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 09:36 PM

In They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, Milton Mayer wrote about how the German people kept believing they were still free while the Nazis were tightening their control and extending their power over every facet of life. At first people refused to see the obvious, because the infringements on their freedom were coming in small steps. Each of those small steps, on its own, seemed to be no big deal, nothing to rebel against. But by the time you could no longer ignore the big picture, it was too late.

Sly_RJ · 05-04-2004, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
You are missing my point.

We don't need them. It's a freedom the Australian people don't want.

As a consequence we are largely free from gun violence. You are not.

We've simply traded one freedom for another.

So you have no problem sacrificing one freedom so long as you receive another freedom?

Interesting. Cool.

Joe Citizen · 05-04-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by xenophobic
You can trade freedom? was the "freedom" of not owning a hand gun put to a poplar vote, or was it made into law, by the government?

It was made into law by the government about 8 years ago and has wide popular support.

As a result, rates of gun violence have fallen to virtually zero.

In 2001, the rate of murder by firearm was 0.3 persons per 100,000.

We have traded the freedom to own a handgun for freedom from gun violence.

Sly_RJ · 05-04-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't.

Sure we do! Just go to the zoo and hop on.

BRISK · 05-04-2004, 09:40 PM

If the government decides it needs more troops to build and maintain its empire, can you refuse to go if it calls for you? Will they leave you alone if you tell them you won?t kill and die for them? Can you simply ignore the draft, without consequence?

Sambo · 05-04-2004, 09:59 PM

NZ is pretty liberal.......

Corleone · 05-04-2004, 10:00 PM

Holland.. they're allowed to smoke weed

Indy the real one · 05-04-2004, 10:06 PM

In some US states fellation and sodomy are forbidden...
Is that what you call a free country when you re not allowed to fuck the way you want with your boy-girlfriend ?

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debbieN Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: FL, NC(I burned this down), MI Posts: 1,193	IF the usa had a flat tax and got rid of emminant domain to steal your property I would say yes to the us. Having traveled to many countries I have not felt truely free unless you are very wealthy. Wealth and having political influence brings more freedoms than the normal population. Switzerland? __________________ don't rent the top room at the Luxor ______________________ Debbie Nomad's Evil Hobby

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Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	Battuss, you are only 27y/o....when you are in your 40's like me, come talk to me and educate me on life's experiences. As far as I'm concerned, you are still wet behind the ears and couldn't enlighten me in any way, shape or form. While you are still walking there, I have been there and back several times. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

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onno Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 732	still none of the above __________________

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	So far we have USA, Canada, Netherlands, and Australia Anyone else? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	UK citizens aren't free to own handguns, but Americans aren't free to travel to Cuba. Does this balance out? Discuss. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Ash@phpFX Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,292	i think australia is pretty good, probably not the most free, but thats not always a bad thing, ie we are not free to carry semi automatic weapons around, i consider this a plus. There are a few censorship laws that piss me off, but they dont apply to the whole country, just to some of that states

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	World Press Freedom Ranked http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2354077.stm Read and discuss. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Last I heard, it was only certain handguns that are illegal in Australia, not all handguns. Correct me if I'm wrong. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	This whole gun thing is a ghey argument anyway. You're not free to murder anyone or steal stuff either. There's somethings that you're just not free to do. Move on already. The US has guns. Australia doesn't. Australia has kangaroo riding. The US doesn't. Agreed? Ok, great... next topic? __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	If the government decides it needs more troops to build and maintain its empire, can you refuse to go if it calls for you? Will they leave you alone if you tell them you won?t kill and die for them? Can you simply ignore the draft, without consequence? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Sambo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,187	NZ is pretty liberal.......

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