Army Report - CIA & Military Intelligence Encouraged Iraqi Prisoner Abuse

[Fletch XXX]

As KRL said, any nation or country with an "intelligence" agency, uses abuse, and terror tactics to get info and or for fun ;)

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...62305B2A15F567


U.S. news media say an internal military investigation has found U.S. Army officers and CIA agents encouraged the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

The report in the latest edition of The New Yorker Magazine says the still-classified investigation found "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison.

The U.S. Army reserve general in charge of the soldiers accused of abuse, says she suspects the suspects were encouraged by military intelligence.

The account appeared to confirm claims by the human rights group Amnesty International that the alleged torture is not an isolated incident.

looks like you are right again KRL.

[alias]

I'm SO SHOCKED! . ..not

[zzgundamnzz]

How else are they going to get info from prisoners? Saying "please" wouldn't do it

[DR_PHIL]

life sucks

[mpahlca]

anyone really suprised?? American INVADED a country that did NOTHING to them! There are no proven ties with "Al cabob" and see what they do to their prisoners??

What makes america different from the terrorist's they are fighting a "war" against?

[Jamie]

Just because we don't have pictures of the iraqies torturing our POW's doesn't mean its not happening. It's a two way street, get over it.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Jamie
Just because we don't have pictures of the iraqies torturing our POW's doesn't mean its not happening. It's a two way street, get over it.

lol,,, tHE GOOD OLD bush BRAINWASHING....

" It is not because we did not find any WMD that they don't exist..."


I tried that on my bank nmanager to get a loan:

" It is not because you do not see big deposits that I don't have big income..."

Funny, didn't get the loan....

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Jamie
Just because we don't have pictures of the iraqies torturing our POW's doesn't mean its not happening. It's a two way street, get over it.

BTW, to which POW are you referring to?

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by directfiesta
BTW, to which POW are you referring to?

Michael "Scott" Speicher ?

[KRL]

You got to keep in mind another factor is these Iraqi POW's are captured many times from areas where US Soldiers have been ambushed or killed. So the troops handling these guys are pissed the fuck off about losing their buddies and want payback.

Like I've posted before I went through the Vietnam era and a lot of family friends came back with stories so horrific that they couldn't even talk about it without breaking down or going into mental relapses. The US troops were blowing away villages, little kids, napalming people, torturing the Viet Cong prisoners, etc. And the NVC were doing the same thing to the South Vietnamese and our troops.

But yeh the Intel guys have no compassion for POW's. Some of the stories I head from Nam veterans that witnessed CIA guys extracting info were as gruesome as anything Saddam did to his people.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Michael "Scott" Speicher ?

1991 ! and nobody knows if he was alive and captured....

[TheFrog]

Not a surprise, as if they follow any of the geneva convention out there

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by directfiesta
1991 ! and nobody knows if he was alive and captured....

1991 has something to do with it? Saddam kept one iranian pilot for 17 years before releasing him?
The reason no one knows if he was alive or dead is because their was NO rescue attempted made for him, Chenny declared him dead the day after the war started on national TV, his name was not on the Red Cross prisoners list for release, nor was he ever listed as a possible P.O.W. he was however declared M.I.A, from K.I.A not long ago, and the intelligence from both analysis of the crash site, and other events from that night (radio squelch on the pilot emergency radio that was believed to be from an intruder pilot that was downed the same night, but he said he lost his radio) to the items that was returned from Iraq claiming to be remains of Scott (pilot uniform that was to old, 1 pound of human flesh that was remains of someone from iran-iraq war)
To prisoners at abu Ghurayb who claimed to have seen him, not to mention that pictures taken of the crash site show human made signs that are similar to ones that pilots are trained to make... etc
there is a lot of evidense he was alive after the crash....

[tbabe]

The military needs to stop allowing soldiers to bring cameras with them. Did they learn nothing from somalia

Soldiers + Prisoners + Cameras = bad press

Its simple math.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by KRL
You got to keep in mind another factor is these Iraqi POW's are captured many times from areas where US Soldiers have been ambushed or killed. So the troops handling these guys are pissed the fuck off about losing their buddies and want payback.

According to at least one of the articles, some of the people being abused were Iraqi civilian suspects - not suspected Iraqi military, but people suspected of being thieves, looting, etc.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by xenophobic
1991 has something to do with it? Saddam kept one iranian pilot for 17 years before releasing him?
The reason no one knows if he was alive or dead is because their was NO rescue attempted made for him, Chenny declared him dead the day after the war started on national TV, his name was not on the Red Cross prisoners list for release, nor was he ever listed as a possible P.O.W. he was however declared M.I.A, from K.I.A not long ago, and the intelligence from both analysis of the crash site, and other events from that night (radio squelch on the pilot emergency radio that was believed to be from an intruder pilot that was downed the same night, but he said he lost his radio) to the items that was returned from Iraq claiming to be remains of Scott (pilot uniform that was to old, 1 pound of human flesh that was remains of someone from iran-iraq war)
To prisoners at abu Ghurayb who claimed to have seen him, not to mention that pictures taken of the crash site show human made signs that are similar to ones that pilots are trained to make... etc
there is a lot of evidense he was alive after the crash....

And how all this make HIM a torture victim as you seem to claim....?

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by directfiesta
And how all this make HIM a torture victim as you seem to claim....?

<I>The cell in which Al Mousawi was placed was no more than four meters long and three meters wide. When he entered it, there were up to eighteen prisoners there. "But this figure was sometimes as forty prisoners" said Al Mousawi. He described some of the brutal methods employed, "Today I am a young man, but I have no sexual sensations. During my Interrogations, they destroyed that area of my body with electrical instruments of torture, And as you can see my jaw is broken, and was put toghether the wrong way. This is because my interrogater kicked my jaw with his foot until it fell apart. These disfigurements on my hand are because pincers with electricity were used on me during interrogations"</I>
This from a person who possibly identified scott with keywords given to him, and repeated to the CIA.
You think being a prisoner of Saddams Regime got him a TV, porno mags and 1 hour time on the gym equipment like it does elsewhere? please.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by Jamie
Just because we don't have pictures of the iraqies torturing our POW's doesn't mean its not happening. It's a two way street, get over it.

LOL ... 2 wrongs make a right?

Criminals transgress international laws ... The "good guys" shouldnt! Those Iraquis will be judge in court... You CANT kill or torture them for fun while they are your prisoners...

Alot of people in the army are probably pissed right now at those who just gave them some bad press...

[bizmak]

It really sucks.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by xenophobic
<I>The cell in which Al Mousawi was placed was no more than four meters long and three meters wide. When he entered it, there were up to eighteen prisoners there. "But this figure was sometimes as forty prisoners" said Al Mousawi. He described some of the brutal methods employed, "Today I am a young man, but I have no sexual sensations. During my Interrogations, they destroyed that area of my body with electrical instruments of torture, And as you can see my jaw is broken, and was put toghether the wrong way. This is because my interrogater kicked my jaw with his foot until it fell apart. These disfigurements on my hand are because pincers with electricity were used on me during interrogations"</I>
This from a person who possibly identified scott with keywords given to him, and repeated to the CIA.
You think being a prisoner of Saddams Regime got him a TV, porno mags and 1 hour time on the gym equipment like it does elsewhere? please.

You are describing what Al Mousawi has endured..

This doesn't make Michael "Scott" Speicher a torture victim as you seem to imply, and that that fact would justify the ACTUAL D-O-C-U-M-E-N-T-ED torture of prisonners.

The rest is all as said " possible", as possible as Al Mousawi inventing or repeating stuff to get rewards from the US government. Remember, US gives rewards for info, even wrong one leading to unjustified wars.

[Roger]

Originally posted by Jamie
Just because we don't have pictures of the iraqies torturing our POW's doesn't mean its not happening. It's a two way street, get over it.

Saddam got like 5 prisoners during the war and last I checked they wheren't tortured.

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by Roger
Saddam got like 5 prisoners during the war and last I checked they wheren't tortured.

check again..

and when I was a Marine my superiors said they'd bust a cap in their own heads before they were taken prisoner after they torture stories they heard about the last time we fought Iraq.

Marinate on that one.

edit... im drunk

[Roger]

Originally posted by kmanrox
check again..

and when I was a Marine my superiors said they'd bust a cap in their own heads before they were taken prisoner after they torture stories they heard about the last time we fought Iraq.

Was Jessica Lynch tortured? How about the other 5 soldiers who where made prisoners?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by kmanrox


And Fletch, you seem to be a great keyboard warrior. While real Americans are fighting so your skinny crackhead ass can sit here and critisize everything you have no part in. Choke on that the next time you pass out drooling on your keyboard looking at the tranny pics on GFY I post.

What are you talking about?

I quoted KRL and agreed with KRl on this, I dont care who tortures who.

And there are 2 people in mty family serving in Iraq, not sure where you got the idea from what I quoted above.

I am all about tortuing some mother fuckers, why are you giving me shit?

KRl and I were discussing this awhile back, and he and I both agreed that torture and abuse of course exists, its only logical, not sure again why you feel the need to say what you did.

[kmanrox]

i edited it... sry im drunk and didnt read properly hehe im half passed out drooling on my keyboard looking at tranny porn as a matter of fact

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by kmanrox
i edited it... sry im drunk and didnt read properly hehe im half passed out drooling on my keyboard looking at tranny porn as a matter of fact

NIIIICE!

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by directfiesta
You are describing what Al Mousawi has endured..

This doesn't make Michael "Scott" Speicher a torture victim as you seem to imply, and that that fact would justify the ACTUAL D-O-C-U-M-E-N-T-ED torture of prisonners.

The rest is all as said " possible", as possible as Al Mousawi inventing or repeating stuff to get rewards from the US government. Remember, US gives rewards for info, even wrong one leading to unjustified wars.

WOW, I'm so glad you thought of that, I guess the twenty thousand dollar reward the CIA offered him, called a "Greed Test" to change his description to match another "missing pilot" and the fact the guy said that wasn't the pilot he saw, mean nothing huh? perhaps the C.I.A should hire average joe six packs like yourself to gather intelligence for them?

You seem to believe the Iraqi's don't torture prisoners of war? let's listen to Andy McNab, British S.A.S agent, captured in Iraq:
<I>My blindfold was removed, the "dentist" appeared and said "Hello Andy". He got me to open wide, and gently and reassuringly he peered into my mouth, he sounded sympathetic as he took his instruments from a bag." "open wide again, Andy please" he said in perfect english "oh, dear that is bad, but i'll soon sort it out for you." I had my suspicions, but there was nothing I could do for him, and the gun gripped the first stump of the tooth with the pliers and twisted hard" I screamed and blood gushed into my mouth. "Do you really think we're going to help you" the voice laughed. "Do you really think we're going to help you, you despicable heap of shit? We could just leave you to die, you know - you're so irrelevent to us."</I>
This is how you get "Dentist" treatment in Iraq when you're a prisoner of War, and you got your teeth broke with a rifle butt.
McNab, and his men that were captured were beaten with poles, hosepipes and rifes,electrocuted, and tortured on a daily basis.

How's that for D O C U M E N T E D torture? need some more?

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by Roger
Was Jessica Lynch tortured? How about the other 5 soldiers who where made prisoners?

obviously you never served your country, so shut your cumdumpster....

get a clue first.

[Cyborg 2.0]

life is unfair

[theking]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

...not sure again why you feel the need to say what you did.

I know why he felt the need.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by xenophobic
WOW, I'm so glad you thought of that, I guess the twenty thousand dollar reward the CIA offered him, called a "Greed Test" to change his description to match another "missing pilot" and the fact the guy said that wasn't the pilot he saw, mean nothing huh? perhaps the C.I.A should hire average joe six packs like yourself to gather intelligence for them?

You seem to believe the Iraqi's don't torture prisoners of war? let's listen to Andy McNab, British S.A.S agent, captured in Iraq:
<I>My blindfold was removed, the "dentist" appeared and said "Hello Andy". He got me to open wide, and gently and reassuringly he peered into my mouth, he sounded sympathetic as he took his instruments from a bag." "open wide again, Andy please" he said in perfect english "oh, dear that is bad, but i'll soon sort it out for you." I had my suspicions, but there was nothing I could do for him, and the gun gripped the first stump of the tooth with the pliers and twisted hard" I screamed and blood gushed into my mouth. "Do you really think we're going to help you" the voice laughed. "Do you really think we're going to help you, you despicable heap of shit? We could just leave you to die, you know - you're so irrelevent to us."</I>
This is how you get "Dentist" treatment in Iraq when you're a prisoner of War, and you got your teeth broke with a rifle butt.
McNab, and his men that were captured were beaten with poles, hosepipes and rifes,electrocuted, and tortured on a daily basis.

How's that for D O C U M E N T E D torture? need some more?

Sure is... Am looking now at the pictures. I will go read the report with the link you provided.... I can't argue with overwelming proof as this...

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kmanrox
obviously you never served your country, so shut your cumdumpster....

get a clue first.

LOL.... cant answer ???

quote:
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Originally posted by Roger
Was Jessica Lynch tortured? How about the other 5 soldiers who where made prisoners?
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Here, this should help you think...LOL

[Basic_man]

That's fuckin' bullshit !

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Sure is... Am looking now at the pictures. I will go read the report with the link you provided.... I can't argue with overwelming proof as this...

Perhaps you've heard of these things called books, unlike people like yourself who trawl all over the net looking for links to support your argument, not even caring of the source?
I tend to read them!

The Book is:
"Bravo Two Zero" Author Andy McNab (yeah you know the guy who was tortured?)
ISBN: 0-440-21880-2

but seeing as you're a click whore, here's an easy to read link of an interview with jeff tice who was likewise tortured as a P.O.W
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/war/3.html

[jojojo]

eye for an eye - is part of the game