to Bush Supporters

[acctman]

I'm watching ABCNEWS and they're talking about the war in Iraq 114 americans died so far this month. So sad.

I asked myself what has this war accomplished? Really ask yourself that, forget about being loyal to your president or the fact that you may be a republician.

Think about it, we invaded a country based on lies ( W of M D ), and when that wasn't enough we tell a leader to resign or we'll go to war? HUH!!!! doesn't that seem a little weird? Yes, Iraq at one point had weapon, the inspectors couldn't find anything, fustrated that nothing was found, we pull the inspectors out and tell Saddam to leave or else. What was the chance of him actually listening? Come on, he's human, a male, a dictator, and they hate americans; I myself wouldn't leave either. With that said I do understand how Saddam has killed his people and that need to be stop. Personally I think if the American people was told that to began with the views of many would be different.

Most pro-war americans will never understand or want to understand how invading a country effects how the world sees the US. The main goal, is was and should still be Terrorist and Bin Laden. It's like we're not even trying with finding him. The focus just switched so fast and no one seemed to even care or noticed.

The people of Iraq, aren't happy we're there and never wanted us there to begin with. It's so sad that, OUR president can't see that. He made a BIG MISTAKE!!!! and being a man, the president, election year, he's not going to admit to it. How many more soliders will have to die before he's decides this is not worth it. It's pretty much going to take another President in office to decide that enough is enough. I mean how would we feel if Iraq invaded the US and forced our President out?

Terrorism has nothing to do with this, Iraq had no part in 9/11 just because they're a middle eastern country doesn't make them guilty. Would it have been so hard to send in a group of men to secretly capture Saddam? We do it all the time (CIA, SEALs), all through out the world it's just not reported.

We as Americans are pretty much responsible for rebuilding Iraq for the rest of our lifetime. Our tax money will now go to Iraq, yeah you know the country the media tells us to hate, we now have to rebuild.

Thats just my rant. I know a few people are thinking if you don't like the US leave. Get serious, you have to admit this country and the things we do is fucked up.

114 Dead =( so sad. I really do feel sorry and support the soliders. Its a job they pretty much "have" to do. they can't say I don't want to go. A bunch of old men and women in offices pretty much decide on there faith only because another leader disagrees or doesn't want to bow down to them. Let bush and saddam fight it out. Saddam would probably win, in a fight but a lot of lives would be spared on both sides.

no one wants to kill there apposing enemy they're pretty forced too

[acctman]

sorry didn't realize I typed so much. just some thoughts i had to get out.

[johnbosh]

[James White]

Nice.


Pretty much my exact thoughts on the war. Quite rediculous IMO.

[VeriSexy]

I want cheaper gas

[Kicker]

[MetaformX]

Great post. I agree with you on all accounts. This president should be impeached. He has set this country back 10 years.

[escsweb]

BUSH IS GAY

[newsdude]

Originally posted by MetaformX
Great post. I agree with you on all accounts. This president should be impeached. He has set this country back 10 years.

That'll be the day!

[NiTe-HaWk]

too much to read right now lol

I asked myself what has this war accomplished?

I do think that too I don't see much that it did do.

[WarChild]

If Clinton didn't get impeached for flat out lying to the senate ... Why would a president get impeached for acting on what everyone believed to be the best information.

Only people crying "there's no WMD in Iraq" .. are doing it after the fact.

[erehwon]

Everyone pretty much forgot at least until Pat Tillman died that we are also fighting a war STILL in Afghanistan.

Not to mention that while there is a president in power, he really holds no power outside of Kabul, tell me how many mayors you know that have a seven man protective detail made up of former SpecOps troopers packing M-4's

[irishfury]

I guess everyone has forgot to comprehend that what the Kuwaiti's seized was $60,000,000 (ie: 60 million dollars) worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads coming out of Iraq.

I love the who buying into that whole "War for oil" nonsense is laughable. Liberals will latch on to anything as a means of trying to scare people into believing their drivel. Why these people think Iraq's oil is tastier than any other nation's oil to Americans I have no clue. If we were to do war for the sake of having oil there are numerous countries we would have invaded and seized their reserves long before now.

Next, liberals will point to the fact that GWB has ear hairs as proof that he is an evil oil grubbing war mongering capitalist dog. I mean which is it going to be? Did we invade for oil? Or was it to force democracy down the throats of poor mass murdering dictators? Or was it to sate our capitalistic blood lust? Or was it to insure our future as world conquerors?

I've heard so much on this forum about the many whacko reasons us Americans went to war against Iraq yet the one reason they fail to recognize is that maybe we did it to oust an insane mass murdering dictator while liberating his people from torture and abuse beyond human imagining. They have compared our president to Hitler and Stalin. They have hated us just to hate with little reason beyond that. Yet if we're such a bad people and our president is so evil why is it then that they buy our stuff by the shiploads? Or Immigrate here in the masses? Or fill our colleges for their educational needs?

The liberals in this country seem to have forgotten the days of the Soviet Union and Tenemen Square. They spend massive resources trying to make us into a socialist nation not even realizing that Jobs would cease, taxes would rise, and crime would go through the roof. Soon the Press would be censored as in all socialist nations, Welfare would become a huge problem as it is in New Zealand. (Socialist nation by and large). The Patriot Act would be thought of as a privelege when compared to the way things would be handled by liberals. Just look at the DFS in this nation.

Plain and simple fact is that liberals cried wolf about oil in the 70s and are doing so now even with ample proof otherwise. Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation and will be completely before oil has even begun to hit the bottom.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Bush sucks

[Gemini]

Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation

Keep telling yourself that... I've heard from several scientists on recent tv shows (PBS not spin tv) that this probably isn't even a viable plan. Good in theory, poor in possibilities with current technologies. lol

Gotta love a bleeding repub... they try and make the very concept of someone elses political belief sound like a bad name while pouring on the rhetoric, "But Clinton LIED (insert stomping foot and pout here).

Get over it.... the man lied about something in his personal life... Sure it was wrong, but there should be a limit as to how far we can invade ANYones personal life. I'm sure Hillary has dealt with it far better than any belly crawling repub could. After all, that is HER bailiwick, not YOURS.

Bush dood good? Yeah and pigs fly too. Check out http://www.cnn.com/science/cowjumped.html for the story on the cow jumping over the moon last night. (No doubt being pursued for the upcoming draft as a enlistee by the administrations spin doctors telling said cow he WILL be home in 90 days)

As the TV show 'Celebrity Justice' has that bit... "THERE SHOULD BE A LAW"... There should be a law, that if a president starts a war without us being attacked directly, that HIS political party should be first in line to fight it, from 16 to 60, THEY should go FIRST. And his kids, nieces and nephews should LEAD the charge.

WITHOUT the ceramic plated body armor just like the majority of our kids are doing right now.

[pure energy]

whatever did they see in him?

[TheMob]

buck fush..

[irishfury]

Even if you pbs show or whatever is true.

Presently factual evidence that not only the US but the whole world is dependant upon fossil fuel resources. Other than the fact that there are other ways to "use energy" (solar, watermovement, windpower) that remain rather expensive I don't really see how this is any evidence that the war was about oil.

Oil is a resource, which by the way by all accounts I've read the ANWAR contains enough oil to keep the US going for centuries. On the other hand leftists have prevented us from drilling there. Funny, if we're going to stop using oil, then we have to come up with some other, cheaper, cleaner alternative. I don't see the kooks coming up with any answers, only problems

Originally posted by Gemini
Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation

Keep telling yourself that... I've heard from several scientists on recent tv shows (PBS not spin tv) that this probably isn't even a viable plan. Good in theory, poor in possibilities with current technologies. lol

Gotta love a bleeding repub... they try and make the very concept of someone elses political belief sound like a bad name while pouring on the rhetoric, "But Clinton LIED (insert stomping foot and pout here).

Get over it.... the man lied about something in his personal life... Sure it was wrong, but there should be a limit as to how far we can invade ANYones personal life. I'm sure Hillary has dealt with it far better than any belly crawling repub could. After all, that is HER bailiwick, not YOURS.

Bush dood good? Yeah and pigs fly too. Check out http://www.cnn.com/science/cowjumped.html for the story on the cow jumping over the moon last night. (No doubt being pursued for the upcoming draft as a enlistee by the administrations spin doctors telling said cow he WILL be home in 90 days)

As the TV show 'Celebrity Justice' has that bit... "THERE SHOULD BE A LAW"... There should be a law, that if a president starts a war without us being attacked directly, that HIS political party should be first in line to fight it, from 16 to 60, THEY should go FIRST. And his kids, nieces and nephews should LEAD the charge.

WITHOUT the ceramic plated body armor just like the majority of our kids are doing right now.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by Gemini
Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation

As the TV show 'Celebrity Justice' has that bit... "THERE SHOULD BE A LAW"... There should be a law, that if a president starts a war without us being attacked directly, that HIS political party should be first in line to fight it, from 16 to 60, THEY should go FIRST. And his kids, nieces and nephews should LEAD the charge.

WITHOUT the ceramic plated body armor just like the majority of our kids are doing right now.

Do you have any idea just how your goverment works?

Did Bush just attack Iraq, single handidly without any support from a small body called the Congress?

Oh that's right .. Congress was on board, weren't they?

Surely it was JUST the Republican's then right? I mean no Democrat in Congress voted to get the President that authority to attack Iraq, now did they? Oh shit, that's right .. they did.

[Gemini]

I totally agree we need to find other fuels to use... but this president while talking the talk, hasn't walked the walk. What can you expect from one that has his historical roots tied in oil? He SAYS he is funding things to insure other sources are found but where are ANY sort of announcements of universities etc getting grants to do this? That solar car thing they have every year doesn't count. lol

I know for a fact that there are literally thousands of oil wells that have been abandoned way back when, that they no longer could pump from. They NOW could get millions of barrels from them with the current technology. I was at an Aunt-in-laws a few years ago and asked what these pipes were sticking out of the ground out at the rear of the property...

They were and are oil wells, capped back in the early 1900's. The oil rights belong to BP (now). There are such wells allll over that county. Now they could use the water-steam (or whatever it is they currently use) to force that oil up and out. Why ruin pristine wilderness when we have such oil sitting and waiting? There are pipes like that all over the US. Waiting...

**************
And Yes WarKiddie... I understand VERY well how government works. Probably alot more than you'd even begin to think. ;-)

Lets keep it a secret on how many congress folks have come out with their comments on why they voted to give doofus the right to use war... (note, show me where they said IRAQ specifically) and also lets keep it hush hush that many have since said they would have NOT given their votes had they known then what they know now...

But we are in there now and have to stay to the end. We ourselves have had casualties in the family. I just wish I could somehow think they were for a better reason than some clowns 'agenda' to rid the World of tyrants and impose his religious beliefs. (Oops, yet another show on PBS where even the religious groups are questioning the admins use of 'religion' in his comments etc)

[WarChild]

Originally posted by Gemini
And Yes WarKiddie... I understand VERY well how government works. Probably alot more than you'd even begin to think. ;-)

Lets keep it a secret on how many congress folks have come out with their comments on why they voted to give doofus the right to use war... (note, show me where they said IRAQ specifically) and also lets keep it hush hush that many have since said they would have NOT given their votes had they known then what they know now...

If we're just going to make terms up for each other .. based on purely guessing ...

Well Cheeseburger creature,

If your duley elected representitives in congress don't have the balls to stand up for what they believe in ... Maybe it's time you changed things.

It's great to after the fact say "I never would have done this if only ..", but it doesn't really prove much other than that intelligence was wrong about Iraq. Hind sight is always 20/20.

Where does this insistance come from that president KNEW there would be no WMD's in Iraq? If that were really the case, why make it focal point for the war? Clearly he thought they were there. As did the rest of the world.

The Democratic leaders are no better than President Bush. This is an American War, not Bush's war.

Even now, if polls are to believed ... half the population still thinks he's handling the war well. HALF!

[mryellow]

I find it funny that everyone is so shocked that they were
duped....

It was plain to see.... All this crap about "best evidence", "Hind
sight is always 20/20" and "As did the rest of the world."

If the American people actually bothered to open their eyes back
when all these things were being done in their name maybe
things would have turned out rosy. However everyone bought
the spin hook, line and sinker.

For a non-American it's easy to see 20/20 without hindsight, we
knew from the start it was all bullshit. Why the US people think
their politicians never lie to them and their president is always
right, I just don't know.

Everything that has happened has been very predicable and
anyone with even a slight knowledge of world affairs could see
what the outcome would be. Democracy or no democracy you're
going to end up with an Islamic Iraqi leader who is unfriendly
towards the US. Majorities have a way of getting what they want.

-Ben

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war to whip the
citizenry into a political fervour, for patriotism is indeed a double
edged sword. It emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the
mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and
the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will
have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather the
citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up
all their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For
this is what I have done.

And I am Caesar."

-Julius Caesar (101-44 BC)

[warlock5]

uh... vote Libertarian

[sperbonzo]

Originally posted by irishfury
I guess everyone has forgot to comprehend that what the Kuwaiti's seized was $60,000,000 (ie: 60 million dollars) worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads coming out of Iraq.

I love the who buying into that whole "War for oil" nonsense is laughable. Liberals will latch on to anything as a means of trying to scare people into believing their drivel. Why these people think Iraq's oil is tastier than any other nation's oil to Americans I have no clue. If we were to do war for the sake of having oil there are numerous countries we would have invaded and seized their reserves long before now.

Next, liberals will point to the fact that GWB has ear hairs as proof that he is an evil oil grubbing war mongering capitalist dog. I mean which is it going to be? Did we invade for oil? Or was it to force democracy down the throats of poor mass murdering dictators? Or was it to sate our capitalistic blood lust? Or was it to insure our future as world conquerors?

I've heard so much on this forum about the many whacko reasons us Americans went to war against Iraq yet the one reason they fail to recognize is that maybe we did it to oust an insane mass murdering dictator while liberating his people from torture and abuse beyond human imagining. They have compared our president to Hitler and Stalin. They have hated us just to hate with little reason beyond that. Yet if we're such a bad people and our president is so evil why is it then that they buy our stuff by the shiploads? Or Immigrate here in the masses? Or fill our colleges for their educational needs?

The liberals in this country seem to have forgotten the days of the Soviet Union and Tenemen Square. They spend massive resources trying to make us into a socialist nation not even realizing that Jobs would cease, taxes would rise, and crime would go through the roof. Soon the Press would be censored as in all socialist nations, Welfare would become a huge problem as it is in New Zealand. (Socialist nation by and large). The Patriot Act would be thought of as a privelege when compared to the way things would be handled by liberals. Just look at the DFS in this nation.

Plain and simple fact is that liberals cried wolf about oil in the 70s and are doing so now even with ample proof otherwise. Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation and will be completely before oil has even begun to hit the bottom.

That was a shcckingly well-thought out post

[Goose]

we can't help it anyway...

[Roger]

Originally posted by WarChild
Only people crying "there's no WMD in Iraq" .. are doing it after the fact.

I did it before the fact, I knew all along, it was obvious to anyone familiar with the ME. I even made a bet and got $60 as a result

[WarChild]

Originally posted by Roger
I did it before the fact, I knew all along, it was obvious to anyone familiar with the ME. I even made a bet and got $60 as a result

You mean you guessed it.

Anyone familiar with the ME? You should work for the state department .. Your insite is wonderful!

The world believed Saddam still had WMD. If they didn't .. why would there be any need for inspections? There wouldn't be... And yet the world wanted the inspections to go on.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by acctman
Would it have been so hard to send in a group of men to secretly capture Saddam? We do it all the time (CIA, SEALs), all through out the world it's just not reported.

wonder if Saddam thought about that? because it would seem to me if he didn't he must have been a hermit to spend ten years in isolation, only allowing his most trusted people into his palaces, and no-one knowing where he was staying at night?

[theking]

Originally posted by WarChild
If Clinton didn't get impeached for flat out lying to the senate ... Why would a president get impeached for acting on what everyone believed to be the best information.

Only people crying "there's no WMD in Iraq" .. are doing it after the fact.

President Clinton did get impeached.

[jimboc]

I supported the war, and still do. I don't support Bush though.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by theking
President Clinton did get impeached.

Yes .. technically you're correct. An official is impeached (accused), tried, and then convicted or acquitted. He was in fact accused, and tried .. So in strict terms, yes he was impeached.

However,

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=impeach

"Usage Note: When an irate citizen demands that a disfavored public official be impeached, the citizen clearly intends for the official to be removed from office. This popular use of impeach as a synonym of ?throw out? (even if by due process) does not accord with the legal meaning of the word. "

Easiest to use the popluar meaning on GFY ... Half the smack tards here will have hard enough of a time grasping that.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by acctman
Let bush and saddam fight it out. Saddam would probably win, in a fight but a lot of lives would be spared on both sides.

I'd pay to see that fight

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Roger
I did it before the fact, I knew all along, it was obvious to anyone familiar with the ME. I even made a bet and got $60 as a result

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We'd like to affirm Rogers statement of no WMD's at all in Iraq, but we're all dead from Saddams mustard gas attack.

[theking]

Originally posted by jimboc
I supported the war, and still do. I don't support Bush though.

Also my position.

[theking]

I also do not support Senator Kerry at this point.

[xenigo]

Originally posted by irishfury

I love the who buying into that whole "War for oil" nonsense is laughable. Liberals will latch on to anything as a means of trying to scare people into believing their drivel. Why these people think Iraq's oil is tastier than any other nation's oil to Americans I have no clue. If we were to do war for the sake of having oil there are numerous countries we would have invaded and seized their reserves long before now.

You really think war for oil is nonsense? What the fuck do you think this war is driven by anyway. Please dude, don't believe your own drivel. We sent Halliburton in there for a reason, to put money in Cheney's and Bush's pockets. Your philosophy of Iraq's oil not being tastier than anyone's is bullshit. The entire reason for us having such a huge interest in Iraq's oil IS because it's the cleanest burning, highest quality oil on the planet.

Go do some research before you spew your worthless nonsense.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by xenigo
You really think war for oil is nonsense? What the fuck do you think this war is driven by anyway. Please dude, don't believe your own drivel. We sent Halliburton in there for a reason, to put money in Cheney's and Bush's pockets. Your philosophy of Iraq's oil not being tastier than anyone's is bullshit. The entire reason for us having such a huge interest in Iraq's oil IS because it's the cleanest burning, highest quality oil on the planet.

Go do some research before you spew your worthless nonsense.

So the United States invaded Iraq, to get their ultra pure oil. Except, they didn't steal it .. They're buying it, along with the rest of the world . And the money's going to the people of Iraq .. As opposed to mostly Saddam .. And some kick backs for the French.

If they wanted to steal the oil, wouldn't they just take it?

If you break in to a store, and buy all their inventory, is that stealing?

[TopBucks_Juan]

Originally posted by escsweb
BUSH IS GAY

I am sure you can come up with something a little more imaginative to call Mr. Bush. There is no need to insult the Gay community by calling Bush Gay. I can tell you we sure don't want him.

[theking]

Originally posted by xenigo
You really think war for oil is nonsense? What the fuck do you think this war is driven by anyway. Please dude, don't believe your own drivel. We sent Halliburton in there for a reason, to put money in Cheney's and Bush's pockets. Your philosophy of Iraq's oil not being tastier than anyone's is bullshit. The entire reason for us having such a huge interest in Iraq's oil IS because it's the cleanest burning, highest quality oil on the planet.

Go do some research before you spew your worthless nonsense.

WarChild is doing a fine job...it is you that is spewing nonsense.

[theking]

Originally posted by WarChild
So the United States invaded Iraq, to get their ultra pure oil. Except, they didn't steal it .. They're buying it, along with the rest of the world . And the money's going to the people of Iraq .. As opposed to mostly Saddam .. And some kick backs for the French.

If they wanted to steal the oil, wouldn't they just take it?

If you break in to a store, and buy all their inventory, is that stealing?

You are doing great in this thread WarChild...carry on.

[WarChild]

What's the running cost on this war so far? In excess of 100 Billion Dollars, correct?

How much oil could the US buy from the Saudi's for that ammount?

Dollars to donuts says a shit load more than has been shipped from Iraq to the United States. Especially since it still has to be BOUGHT from Iraq. With the world watching no less.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by WarChild

Dollars to donuts

[slackologist]

Originally posted by WarChild
So the United States invaded Iraq, to get their ultra pure oil. Except, they didn't steal it .. They're buying it, along with the rest of the world . And the money's going to the people of Iraq .. As opposed to mostly Saddam .. And some kick backs for the French.

If they wanted to steal the oil, wouldn't they just take it?

If you break in to a store, and buy all their inventory, is that stealing?

They're buying it at a price they like.. ofcourse they wouldn't steal it.. that would be criminal.. but taking it at a price they arrange behind closed doors isnt.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by slackologist
They're buying it at a price they like.. ofcourse they wouldn't steal it.. that would be criminal.. but taking it at a price they arrange behind closed doors isnt.

So the United States is buying oil from Iraq, at a discounted price. And the rest of the world is not.

This is the basis of your argument? Do you have any sources?

Again ... you couldn't discount the oil enough, to offset the cost of war and rebuilding in Iraq.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by WarChild
So the United States is buying oil from Iraq, at a discounted price. And the rest of the world is not.

This is the basis of your argument? Do you have any sources?

Again ... you couldn't discount the oil enough, to offset the cost of war and rebuilding in Iraq.

No. TV News. Agreed.

[mryellow]

The United States changed its military plans for protecting its
control over oil and other interests in the Arabian Peninsula in the
late 1980s when it became clear that economic problems in the
USSR were debilitating its military capacity and Soviet forces
withdrew from Afghanistan. Thereafter, direct military domination
within the region became the U.S. strategy.

With the decline in U.S. oil production through 1989, experts
predicted U.S. oil imports from the Gulf would rise from 10% that
year to 25% by the year 2000. Japanese and European
dependency is much greater

Congressional Record, June 12, 1990, S8605.

-Ben

[JamesK]

Originally posted by Mr. Mojo Risin
Bush sucks

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by irishfury
I guess everyone has forgot to comprehend that what the Kuwaiti's seized was $60,000,000 (ie: 60 million dollars) worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads coming out of Iraq.

I love the who buying into that whole "War for oil" nonsense is laughable. Liberals will latch on to anything as a means of trying to scare people into believing their drivel. Why these people think Iraq's oil is tastier than any other nation's oil to Americans I have no clue. If we were to do war for the sake of having oil there are numerous countries we would have invaded and seized their reserves long before now.

Next, liberals will point to the fact that GWB has ear hairs as proof that he is an evil oil grubbing war mongering capitalist dog. I mean which is it going to be? Did we invade for oil? Or was it to force democracy down the throats of poor mass murdering dictators? Or was it to sate our capitalistic blood lust? Or was it to insure our future as world conquerors?

I've heard so much on this forum about the many whacko reasons us Americans went to war against Iraq yet the one reason they fail to recognize is that maybe we did it to oust an insane mass murdering dictator while liberating his people from torture and abuse beyond human imagining. They have compared our president to Hitler and Stalin. They have hated us just to hate with little reason beyond that. Yet if we're such a bad people and our president is so evil why is it then that they buy our stuff by the shiploads? Or Immigrate here in the masses? Or fill our colleges for their educational needs?

The liberals in this country seem to have forgotten the days of the Soviet Union and Tenemen Square. They spend massive resources trying to make us into a socialist nation not even realizing that Jobs would cease, taxes would rise, and crime would go through the roof. Soon the Press would be censored as in all socialist nations, Welfare would become a huge problem as it is in New Zealand. (Socialist nation by and large). The Patriot Act would be thought of as a privelege when compared to the way things would be handled by liberals. Just look at the DFS in this nation.

Plain and simple fact is that liberals cried wolf about oil in the 70s and are doing so now even with ample proof otherwise. Not to mention we are already headed towards a hydrogen fueled nation and will be completely before oil has even begun to hit the bottom.

Despite the peanut gallery, you are very uninformed about the quantities of oil reserves in question. Iraq is scheduled to be #1 producer in less than 20 years, any other country, short of Saudi (remember 911?) and Venezuela (recently plagued by coups) will be largely irrelevant to the global oil production.

It will take longer than 20 years to develop alternative energy and implement it to the global industry.

[xenigo]

Originally posted by WarChild
So the United States invaded Iraq, to get their ultra pure oil. Except, they didn't steal it .. They're buying it, along with the rest of the world . And the money's going to the people of Iraq .. As opposed to mostly Saddam .. And some kick backs for the French.

If they wanted to steal the oil, wouldn't they just take it?

If you break in to a store, and buy all their inventory, is that stealing?

Sure we're buying it, and we're paying Halliburton to do the work. Who's company is that anyway? Think Bush and Cheney got any peice of that action? Think there's a reason they picked that particular company and not the slew of other oil companies that could have done the work?

Stop talking about the US like we're some kind of wonderful country that liberates impoverished societies and isn't driven purely by commerce... think again. We aren't there to help them, we're there to help ourselves. Actually I use the word "ourselves" too liberally, Bush and Cheney are there to help themselves specifically.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by erehwon
Everyone pretty much forgot at least until Pat Tillman died that we are also fighting a war STILL in Afghanistan.

Not to mention that while there is a president in power, he really holds no power outside of Kabul, tell me how many mayors you know that have a seven man protective detail made up of former SpecOps troopers packing M-4's

Willie Brown did