I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx - GoFuckYourself.com

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 10:01 AM

I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

jojojo · 04-26-2004, 10:04 AM

so what problem do they have with klixxx?

candyflip · 04-26-2004, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by jojojo
so what problem do they have with klixxx?

Could it be that they're in direct competition with each other?

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jojojo
so what problem do they have with klixxx?

They won't allow their logo side by side with Klixxx because they don't want their brand to be viewed as comparable.

WiredGuy · 04-26-2004, 10:21 AM

If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

WG

Manowar · 04-26-2004, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

Good for you Rick, If their too insecure to been seen with their "rivals" in business, then why do they deserve business - its what its all about

dropped9 · 04-26-2004, 10:25 AM

Its nice to see that some ppl still have the gusto in this biz...

angelsofporn · 04-26-2004, 10:28 AM

that is hilarious. What a bunch of fucking idiots...they think they are the mafia or something? too many robert deniro flicks for them i suppose

xclusive · 04-26-2004, 10:28 AM

AVN = Bitches

torrey · 04-26-2004, 10:31 AM

Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by torrey
Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??

Well, you could buy about 55,000 high-quality cliicks with it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-26-2004, 10:40 AM

I am with you Rick on this.

AVN is a poor magazine.

AMADude · 04-26-2004, 10:47 AM

AVN is arrogant and trying to be a monopoly.

Raven · 04-26-2004, 10:52 AM

This is more than ridiculous.

There's room enough for both of them, without getting petty.

Pornwolf · 04-26-2004, 10:54 AM

It's really not a good idea for Dinosaurs to be playing games with CJ. It will come back to haunt them shortly.

JFK · 04-26-2004, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by torrey
Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??

You could $pread the wealth, $tarting with
http://www.fubarwebmasters.com

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-26-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by torrey
Where else could I apply this 5500 per month??

When I saw that about a month ago first thing I thought was "Sigh..."

That budget would be better spent on a good Net Campaign for traffic IMHO.

stev0 · 04-26-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

WG

Yeah, No kidding... Sounds like they have a superiority complex.

tbabe · 04-26-2004, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

Fight the power!!!

torrey · 04-26-2004, 11:09 AM

My nets are currently under construction, to be complete with a content store, dvd shop, and paysites.

The Pornslinga you see today is a result of 2 punks who started with NADA, and we are hoping our new website targeted in the adult online commerce sector will be a ccccc-money maker.

I watch folks like Rick Latona from a distance, and take the good I see from industry vets. The overtones of this thread are troubling, in the sense that I chose an AVN print campaign initially.

TheFrog · 04-26-2004, 11:11 AM

nice one rick, dont let them fuck people about

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by torrey
My nets are currently under construction, to be complete with a content store, dvd shop, and paysites.

The Pornslinga you see today is a result of 2 punks who started with NADA, and we are hoping our new website targeted in the adult online commerce sector will be a ccccc-money maker.

I watch folks like Rick Latona from a distance, and take the good I see from industry vets. The overtones of this thread are troubling, in the sense that I chose an AVN print campaign initially.

There are still reasons to advertise in AVN if they haven't done anything to harm you. Branding opportunities exist.

However, if you are start up you need to be more guerrilla like. I'd go straight to the boards for a more immediate ROI. Keep in mind that only the market leaders have to expand the market to grow. Everyone else must take from the market leader. Go for the quick traffic.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-26-2004, 11:20 AM

The net is literally destroying publications, the net will destory AVN to.

Just give it time.
When video producers realise that Print ad campaigns are a waste in a budget it will be over.

Not many video producers really understand how to use the net but as they step up and another generation of video producers come into play with more tech savey producers it all will be a very very different landscape concerning advertising.

Honest opinion
5K for traffic to a commerce destination selling media is better spent.

SleazyDream · 04-26-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
There are still reasons to advertise in AVN if they haven't done anything to harm you. Branding opportunities exist.

wrong, there are none for me now. If Rick says stay away from AVN, I don't do business with them.

Pornwolf · 04-26-2004, 11:24 AM

$5k spent on the net will make you $25 to $50k if you have something fresh to offer. I understand the massaging distributor aspect of ads in the trades. The net hasn't been able to replace that yet.

Wasn't Lens working on something to fix that distribution problem?

SykkBoy · 04-26-2004, 12:35 PM

My problems with AVN started when they started putting in nude photoshoots. Not that I mind that, but I'd expect it from Hustler and Playboy, but if I'm reading AVN, I want news and industry issues, not TnA. It just made everything seem less professional.

Kimmykim · 04-26-2004, 01:00 PM

The biggest thing that AVN has going for them is the trade shows, they leverage those into bigger advertising deals on their print and online mediums.

Can't say as I blame them tho, that's just how business is done.

GTS Mark · 04-26-2004, 01:04 PM

Hehe sounds like prices at AVN are going to stop dropping, might be a good time to buy some advertising

DH

Broda · 04-26-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story.

They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman.

I don't do business with AVN and I don't bite. So you can do business with me

MetaformX · 04-26-2004, 01:17 PM

I have subscribed to AVN several times now, I have yet to recieve an issue...

brand0n · 04-26-2004, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
wrong, there are none for me now. If Rick says stay away from AVN, I don't do business with them.

if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by brand0n
if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?

Would you?

TheGoldenChild · 04-26-2004, 01:23 PM

If JB told you to jump off a bridge would you Rick?

Mike AI · 04-26-2004, 01:25 PM

Finally something we agree on.

AVN is no friend of this business. They are only concerned with helping their old school video companies get more business on the web.

AVN is one of the adult webmaster's worst enemies!

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
If JB told you to jump off a bridge would you Rick?

If I shoved my foot up your ass could you feel it?

Rick Latona · 04-26-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
Finally something we agree on.

AVN is no friend of this business. They are only concerned with helping their old school video companies get more business on the web.

AVN is one of the adult webmaster's worst enemies!

Here here. *bangs on table* Besides, it's just a big collection of press releases anyway. At least Klixxx hahahahahas about stuff.

sextoyking · 04-26-2004, 01:30 PM

Kb,

I give much love to JB, nothing wrong there

----------

Mikeai,

yeh AVN is ok you know, I like the reg trade mag and the avn online mag too.

Avn is for web ppl also, but mostly for the retail store owner, distributors, etc. They have had to expand with web sections, etc over the years.

I read through a bit, then skip to the top 10-100 dvd's selling, new products for the toy stores, etc.

kush · 04-26-2004, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
If AVN truly had a good magazine, they shouldn't feel intimidated to put a competitors logo in their magazine, especially if they're being paid to do it. Good for you Rick.

WG

But on that thought, if they feel they do not want to be associated with a certain competitor, they have every right to refuse service.

TheGoldenChild · 04-26-2004, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Kb,

I give much love to JB, nothing wrong there
----------

Mikeai,

yeh AVN is ok you know, I like the reg trade mag and the avn online mag too.

Avn is for web ppl also, but mostly for the retail store owner, distributors, etc. They have had to expand with web sections, etc over the years.

I read through a bit, then skip to the top 10-100 dvd's selling, new products for the toy stores, etc.

I don't think you guys noted the sarcasm by my statement-

Rick at least didn't- I am not choosing sides here, both magazines offer something for webmasters...

I just recall seeing Rick at every AVN show I go...If AVN were so bad for business why would you continually go to the shows? Are you saying the shows are cool and the magazine sucks?

sextoyking · 04-26-2004, 01:56 PM

KB,

fix your sig dammit!!!

SleazyDream · 04-26-2004, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
if Rick says to go jump off a bridge, would you go jump?

yep - cause i know he'd have a parachute or bungee cord attached to me and it would be a blast

TheGoldenChild · 04-26-2004, 01:58 PM

it made you look Todd-

At first I thought it looked real amateur and not fixing it would make me look lazy-

But it's quite the opposite..instead I am getting a ton of clicks getting people to check uot the FEEDS!

TheGoldenChild · 04-26-2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
it made you look Todd-

At first I thought it looked real amateur and not fixing it would make me look lazy-

But it's quite the opposite..instead I am getting a ton of clicks getting people to check out the FEEDS!

sextoyking · 04-26-2004, 01:59 PM

Good marketing there KB

I did click on the link, nice looking site there..

TheGoldenChild · 04-26-2004, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Good marketing there KB

I did click on the link, nice looking site there..

It's a silly marketing move...one you'd think was made up on the spot even when called upon the carpet however

the link works

makefuckingmoney · 04-26-2004, 02:15 PM

I have yet to read AVN or Klixxx

I dont feel like I have missed out on anything!

jonesy · 04-26-2004, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
The net is literally destroying publications, the net will destory AVN to. Just give it time.
When video producers realise that Print ad campaigns are a waste in a budget it will be over.

an ad in AVN or another adult industry mag IS a waste of time.
but i disagree with ya on the mainstream magazine part.
this was being said years ago.
hasnt happend yet.
maybe in ten to 15 yrs.
people still like looking through magazines.

Playboy and penthouse took hits.
theyre old school and werent in touch with the younger generations.

maxim, fhm, and a slew of others were launched when most people thought it was crazy because of the the Internet and the "free access" to pics, porn and the like.

those mags outsell playboy and penthouse and are the top selling mags in the industry.

take an ad in maxim, fhm or another magazine like these.

i guarantee the traffic/sign up ratio will blow doors on most online marketers.

i worked for a company that placed and ad for an online casino and the traffic/sign up ratio was insane.

a personal site of mine was mentioned in spin magzine regarding a crank phone call. trafffic was nuts man.

hell, even being mentioned on radio generates healthy traffic as well.

GonZo · 04-26-2004, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
The biggest thing that AVN has going for them is the trade shows, they leverage those into bigger advertising deals on their print and online mediums.

Can't say as I blame them tho, that's just how business is done.

AVN and their porn royalty mentality.

Penrod · 04-26-2004, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
It's a silly marketing move...one you'd think was made up on the spot even when called upon the carpet however

the link works

That shit don't work for me bitch.

SteveLightspeed · 04-27-2004, 03:15 PM

We have advertised in both AVNonline and Klixxx, and I feel our money was better spent with Klixxx.

I'm sure there is a lot of pressure on AVN to please everyone, but I have been personally disappointed with various broken promises and lack of support.

Klixxx on the other hand has gone the extra mile to endear themselves to the adult internet community, and their support of Lightspeedcash is truly appreciated.

Steve Lightspeed

04-26-2004, 10:01 AM	#1
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx I don't do business with AVN because they wouldn't do business with me because Klixxx sponsors me. True story. They use Microsoftesque monopolistic practices and I won't stand for it. I feel for Duke and Lensman. __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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torrey Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pornslinga USA Posts: 1,656	Where else could I apply this 5500 per month?? __________________

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dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	Its nice to see that some ppl still have the gusto in this biz...

04-26-2004, 10:28 AM	#8
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	that is hilarious. What a bunch of fucking idiots...they think they are the mafia or something? too many robert deniro flicks for them i suppose

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I am with you Rick on this. AVN is a poor magazine. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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torrey Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pornslinga USA Posts: 1,656	My nets are currently under construction, to be complete with a content store, dvd shop, and paysites. The Pornslinga you see today is a result of 2 punks who started with NADA, and we are hoping our new website targeted in the adult online commerce sector will be a ccccc-money maker. I watch folks like Rick Latona from a distance, and take the good I see from industry vets. The overtones of this thread are troubling, in the sense that I chose an AVN print campaign initially. __________________

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TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	nice one rick, dont let them fuck people about

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	The net is literally destroying publications, the net will destory AVN to. Just give it time. When video producers realise that Print ad campaigns are a waste in a budget it will be over. Not many video producers really understand how to use the net but as they step up and another generation of video producers come into play with more tech savey producers it all will be a very very different landscape concerning advertising. Honest opinion 5K for traffic to a commerce destination selling media is better spent. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	$5k spent on the net will make you $25 to $50k if you have something fresh to offer. I understand the massaging distributor aspect of ads in the trades. The net hasn't been able to replace that yet. Wasn't Lens working on something to fix that distribution problem? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

04-26-2004, 12:35 PM	#26
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	My problems with AVN started when they started putting in nude photoshoots. Not that I mind that, but I'd expect it from Hustler and Playboy, but if I'm reading AVN, I want news and industry issues, not TnA. It just made everything seem less professional. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

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Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	The biggest thing that AVN has going for them is the trade shows, they leverage those into bigger advertising deals on their print and online mediums. Can't say as I blame them tho, that's just how business is done.

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GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Hehe sounds like prices at AVN are going to stop dropping, might be a good time to buy some advertising DH

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Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	Finally something we agree on. AVN is no friend of this business. They are only concerned with helping their old school video companies get more business on the web. AVN is one of the adult webmaster's worst enemies! __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	it made you look Todd- At first I thought it looked real amateur and not fixing it would make me look lazy- But it's quite the opposite..instead I am getting a ton of clicks getting people to check uot the FEEDS! __________________

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sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Good marketing there KB I did click on the link, nice looking site there.. __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	I have yet to read AVN or Klixxx I dont feel like I have missed out on anything!

04-27-2004, 03:15 PM	#50
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	We have advertised in both AVNonline and Klixxx, and I feel our money was better spent with Klixxx. I'm sure there is a lot of pressure on AVN to please everyone, but I have been personally disappointed with various broken promises and lack of support. Klixxx on the other hand has gone the extra mile to endear themselves to the adult internet community, and their support of Lightspeedcash is truly appreciated. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 04-27-2004 at 03:16 PM..