Revell

Hi Guy's,

I've got a site that is quickly getting out of hand as far as hosting it goes, the traffic is building at a huge rate and I don't have the resources to build infrastructure to continue hosting it.

The site is http://www.babefocus.com/ .. with a duplicate URL http://www.hotpinkwet.com/ .. Google PR #4 on babefocus.com.

The site is a celebrity style site which allows visitors to comment on all photos with a few extra specific features. (It's designed to be a rewiew/comment/rate photographic works site rather than blatantly abusing copyright like most celeb sites).

A rundown of features currently implemented:

- user must register their email address once they've viewed 'x' amount of photos, set to 75 at the moment and getting a few hundred registrations per day.
- full page advertisements are shown to the user after every 'x' amount of photos are viewed with an option to continue onto the page they requested.
- rotating banners placed throughout, currently been trying the Mr Skin program and getting a number of trials per day.

So far this month (1st to 26th April) the site has received 142,042 unique visitors and 225,421 visitors (1.69 visits/visitor), delivered 5.6Million pages (25 pages/visit).

Last month, 85,000 uniques, 150,000 visitors. The trend being set is around double the traffic each month. I've been having to redirect traffic to sponsors of late because my server hasn't been able to handle the traffic during peak periods so there's even more potential there.

The site has various different potential money making avenues, redirecting all traffic does generate better income but I like to keep the site online - it also collects e-mail addresses and most visitors signup to continue viewing the mega content available on the site - so if you considered a confirmed email address worth $1 than this site woudl be worth a few hundred a day :-)

Open to offers... failing a good offer I'll just stick it out and continue hosting the site in a crippled state!

(To mods, I apologise if this post is inappropriate for this forum).

MrJackMeHoff

I dont get it. Why not just get a better hosting situation?

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Revell

The site moves around 2TB data month, which is quite tricky to deal with.

I need to get into co-location on a 10Mb/s unlimitted hosting plan, but co-location requires quite alot of upfront costs for purchasing servers and setting up in a datacenter and I'd prefer to just avoid this, but I'll stick it out if need be.

At the moment I have a handful of leased servers with 1TB limits and spread the site across them, but it's getting quite tricky and I'd prefer not to bother, I didn't expect the site to grow this quickly I had a much slower growth rate planned for and it hasn't worked out that way!

abyss_al

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please post contact info.

Revell

You can reach me at [email protected].

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Revell

People who are experienced with advertising and dealing with Adult traffic should have a fair idea of this site's value to them, particularly with the growth its experiencing from month to month. I have only just started advertising in the past few days so I do not have accurate stats on its money making value other than that I've been getting a number of signups per day from one program (that I have since learned from other advertisers that the site I was promoting is poor on conversions) but I've been trying other programs lately - an obvious potential for well over $1,000/month.

How much am I willing to sell for? Well, I have a minimum figure in mind that I would let it go for (think about its worth per month, multiply that by 12 for the first year and 30% of its expected income in the following year, plus the sites startup costs and you have a rough figure) but I'd prefer this topic to be open to offers and/or bidding.

Other stats about the site include:

- almost 60,000 photos on the site
- around 10GB of images
- registered visitors on the site are able to upload images direct to the site, so it grows by a few hundred pics a day :-)

There's serious potential in this site but I don't have the time, money or resources to utilize it at this stage so I'm looking for an easy out.

kmanrox

adult websites are profit times 3 months by rule of thumb... you're fishing hardlike for 12 months.

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Revell

I'm simply open to offers, nevermind following any particular rule of thumb for sales of a site.

There's obvious potential and I am very confident that if I could sort out adequate hosting the traffic would be 3 to 5 times better in 3 months time as the monthly stats are doubling each month so far.

Mike-BP

dude, 2TB a month is nothing - most guys do 2TB a DAY

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KraZ

SOunds good ... where does your traffic come from? Do you have a break-down? I supposed at least part of it is trades with other sites ...

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Nicky

Hmmm, nice looking site, I cant see why you dont keep it though, since BW is so damn cheap now days.....u can get a 3TB line for like $500 a month now days.......

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Revell

Actually alot of it is from search engines, I've spent ALOT of time customizing mass submission of each individual gallery to search engines such as Google to match keywords of each celebrity's gallery on the site, and have done the same with bomis and a few others that have given alot of success.

There is a links page with the hope to use those types of link trades to improve page ratings but there's probably a maximum of 1,000 click throughs a month there, nothing significant.

Here's a snapshot of this months report so far with last few months run down..



Please note that the traffic usage reported above DOES NOT include images, they are served off a cache farm that I utilize. Another point is that I shared the standard part of the sites delivery off two servers in previous months and hadn't been able to combine the logs... there is more traffic than reported above but haven't bothered with a stats package that can handle more than one web log file yet..

DarkJedi

you're selling it because you can't make any money on it.
with 2tb/m you're loosing money on this site.

Revell

I'm not going to bother arguing about how a 2TB/month site can be profitable with people that are inexperienced with site hosting, because bandwidth isn't *that* expensive, I have 2TB/data including two p4 leased servers for $160/month from www.servermatrix.com - far from expensive - however if you consider traffic a problem, the fullsize image photo limits are integrated into the site and could be limited to say 20 instead of 75 which would reduce bandwidth usage in a big way.

DarkJedi

if the site was making money you wouldn't be selling it.

i've been running celeb sites for 5 years.
there's no way this site can make $1000/month with 5000 uniques a day.

Stramm

10GB unlicensed pics are a good reason to sell

says it all

Revell

Sounds like someone doesn't know their copyright laws.

Quote from my original post:

"The site is a celebrity style site which allows visitors to comment on all photos with a few extra specific features. (It's designed to be a rewiew/comment/rate photographic works site rather than blatantly abusing copyright like most celeb sites)."

Revell

I guess you didn't read the original post thoroughly, the reason I am selling is because I don't have the capital to invest in building the infrastructure (purchase of servers, co-location facilties, etc) to keep this site.

The site is ideal for someone who is already setup in such a way, ie, most experienced webmasters.

Revell

Furthermore, as far as making $1000/month goes, that's an obvious potential figure, this month alone its made over $500 and that's with crazy experimenting and no steady flow of advertising methods (changing daily trying to work out what works).

Please, no more inexperienced tyrekickers, genuine offers and/or enquiries welcome.

DarkJedi

Dude, spare the bullshit.

That site is a black hole.
All it does is sucks money in.

In celeb niche, If you give away 60.000 pics for free - no one gonna buy a paysite membership.

It may be growing, just because there so much free shit.
Thousands of dorks gonna leech your ass off without buying anything.

Revell

Once again, you did NOT read my original post through did you?

Visitors are limitted to 'x' amount of fullsize pictures without being told that they must register. This limit is currently set to 75 and the page that is delivered upon that limit being reached is obviously customizable.

It would clearly sell even more if I limitted it to 20 pictures and then said "if you want more you have to signup at Mr Skin" or someshit, please read over what I've obviously stated before making further comment.

rowan

5000 unique visitors per day consume 13Mb _each_? That seems a really high figure, unless your pic filesizes are huge. Even if they were 100k each that would mean that each and every visitor is viewing 130 images per day. (?)

DarkJedi

register ?
do you sell pay memberships to your site ?

DarkJedi

good point.
and he said that pic limit is 75 per visitor

Revell

This is explained in the original post, I've quickly become tired answering your questions which are already answered.

Revell

Look at the stats, there's an average of 1.69 visits per visitor, and there's also a high quality image section with plenty of huge images of over 200kb in size.

Also 2TB/month is a generous guestimate from the image cache farm - I have been nothing but open and upfront with everything, you post whores have just been trying to knit pick me to the shitter expecting me to slip up but I am not trying to hide ANYTHING.

I am the first to admit that the site is not currently setup to generate revenue, that is why I keep saying that there is potential. Cripple the visitors to 20 fullsize pics and force them to go to a paysite would obviously make more money.

KraZ

Revell, another thought ... you could put the number of members/emails that you got. This could be of some value too.

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rowan

I'm not trying to nit pick, and I'm certainly not a post whore , I was just pointing out that the transfer seemed excessively high for that number of visitors.

I was in a similar situation to yours a few years ago, I had a site that took off suddenly and I was relying on the generosity of others to keep it alive. I couldn't afford to pay for the entire site by myself. I had a $10k offer for it but after 9/11 that went sour, so I kept the site and worked at it. Now, it's profitable and it generates a nice portion of my total income. Perhaps you should consider leaning it up and making it more viable for you to continue running?

(BTW that $10k offer was in 2001, and it was probably a little too generous. I doubt I could sell it for that amount in 2004... but why would I want to?)

Frank The Tank

set up a premium section .. limit free members to 100 pics and low resolutions .. after that they upgrade to premium for full site access .. charge like $10 a premium membership per month .. if you have traffic you say you have you should see a decent amount of people signing up

also dont just advertise programs - SELL advert space to other sites , use marketbanker or a similar service .. ur income will be a lot more than it is a present if you sell some good spots at fair rates

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Stramm

so if I use copyrighted material and just allow visitors to vote and give them a few 'extra specific features' then that makes it legal? Dream on... if that's the truth than no one would steal content anymore or getting nasty letters from celeb lawyers

Frank The Tank

If a sites profitable - ie - sales and income outways the expenses then i wouldnt sell it either . unless of course its for a quickly needed cash injection

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Revell

Look at the site, it allows every visitor to post a comment on every photo. A rating/voting system alone would not be adequate.

How do you think sites like www.sluttycelebs.com and www.mrskin.com survive? Because they review and have comments about every peice of content on their sites.

Go to www.copyright.gov and take a read.

Revell

Just a correction to the above, I meant www.sluttycelebs.net not .com..

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Revell

Obviously at this stage of my life I'd prefer a quick buck rather than a long term investment, hence the reason I'm open to offers for sale of the site/domain.

Anyways, here's some info for those that are confused about copyright law and fair use of copyright content, and the reasons for reviewing/commenting abilities in major sites to not break the law.

This is a snippet from http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html

"§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use38
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include ?

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

Steve G

So you want to sell your site based on 12 months of "potential"
income?
<sarcasm>RIGHT ON!!!</sarcasm>

Revell

No, I said I am open to offers and have not stated that I expect a sale to the value of 12 months of potential income, there is already proven income and it will only increase from there, any specific minimum figure has not been determined.

BigFrog

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

Revell

As it says, that is just one of the conditions used to determine if copyright law is being broken in a court of law. If you ignored a cease and desist letter and went to court than sure, that would become an interesting part of the legal battle, however sites like MrSkin.com have been doing this for years with plenty of legal battles over this time - at the end of the day they get away with using 5 minute clips out of movies etc because they have a "Review" about that clip, and all the paying celeb sites do the SAME THING for the SAME REASON.

God dam this is off topic.

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StRoGE

Honestly, to avoid the knitpicking your just going to have to toss out a number. These guys will be real quit to tell you if its unreasonable or not. Start with a figure that you would be quite content with, and work your way down from there.
With 5k uniques a day and growing the site has potential, even if you started over from scratch. Potential doesnt always sell though, so keep that in mind.

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ill give you 500 bucks for it

BigFrog

that's a generous offer

Revell

It's brought that in over the past 14 days or so, but at least that's an initial offer, start the bidding :-)

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AWW - Kevin

do you have any proof of that ?

5k traffic making $500 in 2 weeks seems high

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25 initial signups to Mr Skin this month so far @ $20 per trial and $40 per signup - www.flashcash.com :P

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Revell

mmm.. that period length is a touch over 3 weeks rather than 2, however I wasn't advertising Mr Skin during that period and made $0 through other programs and experimenting throughout the month.

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