Whatcha Gonna Do?

[Elli]

So, what are YOU going to do when the new 2257 regulation comes into effect?

For those of you who have not read the full statement, here is a brief summary:

You will be required to:

1) have each model's name, all aliases, maiden names, or other monikers on record

2) have US ISSUED picture ID (no illegal workers, please) for her/him (from a list of accepted ID)

3) have a picture with this info from the content shot

4) have a full list of the filenames of the photos or video shot of the model

5) have a full list of each and every location each filename was used, including specific URLs

This info must be CROSS INDEXED, which means the inspector must be able to search your database of records by any and all of the following:

- any of the model's names, real or assumed
- the filenames of her photos
- the title of the work the photos appear in
- the URLS the photos appear at

Every single work that you produce, be it website or book or video, must have in a font size comparable to the rest of the work, ON the MAIN PAGE, the location of the custodian of records (which must be your place of business anyway).

Who is exempt? Any sexual content produced before 1990 or any "SIMULATED sexual content". That's it.

So.. what's your plan, Stan?


http://www.avn.com/imagearchive/10/68/50/1068502257.pdf

[80smetal]

all my retro 80's p0rn is exempt, good times roll on

[SleazyDream]

umm, anyone responsible already was doing this.......

[Elli]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
umm, anyone responsible already was doing this.......

A full list of all the filenames of the photos and all the individual URLs each photo was listed on?

[Nyght]

Time to explore the world of no content free sites.

[Trixie]

Goddamn this bullshit. My family's lawyer agreed to be my custodian of records for free saying that my recording-keeping needs SEEMED to be small -- won't he be surprised when a little skinny file folder turns into a whole fucking crate of papers.

[Fizzgig]

How will this effect webmasters outside of the USA?

[MattK]

I just do free sites, I could switch to all softcore content.

what about sponsor content like their thumbs on my tgp linking to their hardcore galleries?

[Trixie]

Originally posted by Elli
So, what are YOU going to do when the new 2257 regulation comes into effect?

For those of you who have not read the full statement, here is a brief summary:

You will be required to:

1) have each model's name, all aliases, maiden names, or other monikers on record

2) have US ISSUED picture ID (no illegal workers, please) for her/him (from a list of accepted ID)

3) have a picture with this info from the content shot

4) have a full list of the filenames of the photos or video shot of the model

5) have a full list of each and every location each filename was used, including specific URLs

This info must be CROSS INDEXED, which means the inspector must be able to search your database of records by any and all of the following:

- any of the model's names, real or assumed
- the filenames of her photos
- the title of the work the photos appear in
- the URLS the photos appear at

Every single work that you produce, be it website or book or video, must have in a font size comparable to the rest of the work, ON the MAIN PAGE, the location of the custodian of records (which must be your place of business anyway).

Who is exempt? Any sexual content produced before 1990 or any "SIMULATED sexual content". That's it.

So.. what's your plan, Stan?


http://www.avn.com/imagearchive/10/68/50/1068502257.pdf

The freaky thing about all of this is that it sounds like they'll be able to throw us in the pokey for years simply for overlooking one little filename -- doesn't matter if everybody on the site is legal, if your reams of PAPERWORK aren't cross-indexed then you've broken the law. Has nothing to do with protecting kids and everything to do with being able to burn us at the stake for nothing.

[Elli]

It really is extremely laughable. I don't see even Playboy or Hustler being able to keep up to these new regulations.

Did you notice who signed it at the bottom?

Fizz, no idea how it affects foreign websters.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by Fizzgig
How will this effect webmasters outside of the USA?

It will not.. the US doesnt own the internet...

If the models are US girls.. how will they know... And it shouldnt even matter anyway...

However.. if you host the pictures on a US server.. that might get you in trouble.. but I would guess there's enough US webmaster to bother before trying their luck with any foreign webmasters...

[Elli]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
It will not.. the US doesnt own the internet...

If the models are US girls.. how will they know... And it shouldnt even matter anyway...

However.. if you host the pictures on a US server.. that might get you in trouble.. but I would guess there's enough US webmaster to bother before trying their luck with any foreign webmasters...

So I guess I should make sure my WHOIS info is at a Canadian address, not my American one.

[Fizzgig]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
It will not.. the US doesnt own the internet...

If the models are US girls.. how will they know... They cannot go in your country, knock on your door and ask for IDs of your models..

However.. if you host the pictures on a US server.. that might get you in trouble.. but I would guess there's enough US webmaster to bother before trying their luck with any foreign webmasters...

I'm on a Canadian server.

Content generally from the USA, though...
And it will be difficult for us to conduct business with US based companies too I suppose, without the new rules implimented.

Things that make you go "hmm"
Well, I guess I better get to learning me some law! We are just jumping back into it all after being away for so long so we are going to need to know these things.

[Elli]

A few quotes from the document:

"The Department specifically seeks info from affected producers on the costs of the record keeping, indexing, and cross-referencing requirements."

"the costs to the industry include slightly higher record-keeping costs"

"These benefirts and losses are difficult to quantify precisely"

"This rule will NOT result in an annual effect on the economy of 100$million or more, a major increase in costs or prices, or signifcant adverse effects on competition, productivity, etc."

"Industry comment has been invited in the proposed rule"

[Trixie]

Originally posted by Elli
It really is extremely laughable. I don't see even Playboy or Hustler being able to keep up to these new regulations.

Did you notice who signed it at the bottom?

Fizz, no idea how it affects foreign websters.

Yeah, I noticed that asshat's name at the bottom. I hope he rots in hell sucking firey donkey dick and taking the devil's dick up his ass.

[Elli]

Originally posted by Trixie
Yeah, I noticed that asshat's name at the bottom. I hope he rots in hell sucking firey donkey dick and taking the devil's dick up his ass.

Don't sugar coat it, Trix. Tell us how you really feel.

The worst thing is I can see him laughing while he thinks this shit up.

If they did this to ANY other industry, it would have been laughed off the table.

[Elli]

No more thoughts on this? If I'm not mistaken, this touches pretty much everyone at GFY.

[Elli]

I just think people should be aware of what's going on here.

[StarkReality]

Bump it !

[Keev]

Does this cover all forms of adsult material?

Is nude, topless?

Just hardcore, gg, etc ? or encompasses all?


If thats the case I guess mainstream photographers / ad companies, etc will need it for swimsuit, lingerie, nudes, etc..

[fr8]

Originally posted by Elli

4) have a full list of the filenames of the photos or video shot of the model

5) have a full list of each and every location each filename was used, including specific URLs

This info must be CROSS INDEXED, which means the inspector must be able to search your database of records by any and all of the following:

- any of the model's names, real or assumed
- the filenames of her photos
- the title of the work the photos appear in
- the URLS the photos appear at

4.) Well fuck. Hope I never have to change any group of file names.

5.) Does this include all tgps that the content gets posted on from affiliates?

[Elli]

Originally posted by fr8
4.) Well fuck. Hope I never have to change any group of file names.

5.) Does this include all tgps that the content gets posted on from affiliates?

You need a list of the URLS that each photo is actually ON. Not what sites link to that page. AND each page needs the location of the custodian of records info. How do you like THEM apples?

[Elli]

Originally posted by Keev
Does this cover all forms of adsult material?

Is nude, topless?

Just hardcore, gg, etc ? or encompasses all?


If thats the case I guess mainstream photographers / ad companies, etc will need it for swimsuit, lingerie, nudes, etc..

It applies only to "explicit sexual content". Simulated and non explicit is exempt.

[fr8]

Originally posted by Elli
You need a list of the URLS that each photo is actually ON. Not what sites link to that page. AND each page needs the location of the custodian of records info. How do you like THEM apples?

So if I have 100 users on different domains hosting the images I need to have all of them listed? Please tell me this isnt the case.

[Elli]

Originally posted by fr8
So if I have 100 users on different domains hosting the images I need to have all of them listed? Please tell me this isnt the case.

Well, if the goal of this condition is to be able to pull all the pictures of a given model from the internet in one fell swoop, then yes, I'm thinking this would be the case.

[kush]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
umm, anyone responsible already was doing this.......

Somebody obviously did not read (or understand) the thread

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally posted by Elli
It applies only to "explicit sexual content". Simulated and non explicit is exempt.

anyone know if nonnude is exempted ? i do know that lots of hosts dont accept nonnude since they think its adult... wonder how they treat this...

[kush]

BTW, Elli, when is this scheduled to go into affect?
Has it already been voted on?

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally posted by kush
BTW, Elli, when is this scheduled to go into affect?
Has it already been voted on?

2 months and no but i guess 1 vote will be enough

[kush]

Originally posted by thinkx
2 months and no but i guess 1 vote will be enough

Since when is a vote not a majority?

How can just 1 vote in favor of these new rules make them mandatory? That would defeat the purpose of voting...

[BT]

will cross that bridge when we get there

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally posted by kush
Since when is a vote not a majority?

How can just 1 vote in favor of these new rules make them mandatory? That would defeat the purpose of voting...

it was cynical... i mean this law will pass in no time, even though noone knows how to handle, especially euro companies or content providers hosted on US accounts etc

so far ive heard noone consult a lawyer about a situation like that, maybe photorama can comment here if they already heard/dealt with it...

[hova]

I've hired some guy to check if I am okay..........

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally posted by hova
I've hired some guy to check if I am okay..........

as in a lawyer ? and if so are you inc in holland ? thanks

[Joesho]

When does the law take effect?

[Elli]

Originally posted by Joesho
When does the law take effect?

The document mentions that they are inviting "industry comment" on the feasibility of the new regulations, and all written feedback must be received by August 24th. Now, I don't know how the American legal system works, but the people in dready's thread are talking about it coming into force in a few months? if it's not delayed or dismissed.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

The one time I am glad I am my own content. The couple of people I have shot with are good friends and I have their i'ds and address. Guest models on my site have a link on each photo url of the location to their custodial information (still changing the galleries so not completly finished). I wonder how many webgirls
are
willing to give up their id's w/names and addresses for this purpose.

Now to get all the information they want in a file and just keep it updated.

It's nice to be simple and have a small site

[Donny]

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


If you think that each and every one of those requirements will be enforced, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Very cheap. And it's easy to find, too! All you do is go to San Francisco, head on over to 101...


Do you honestly think such ridiculous laws will go into effect? Seriously?


The final product will be an acceptable solution for all of us. A little more organization won't hurt any of us. And, like Sleazy said, those who are legit are already doing most of this anyway.

[Paul Waters]

Originally posted by Elli
The document mentions that they are inviting "industry comment" on the feasibility of the new regulations, and all written feedback must be received by August 24th. Now, I don't know how the American legal system works, but the people in dready's thread are talking about it coming into force in a few months? if it's not delayed or dismissed.

I think we have to hope that Hustler and Playboy throw their lawyers at this.

[kush]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The final product will be an acceptable solution for all of us. A little more organization won't hurt any of us. And, like Sleazy said, those who are legit are already doing most of this anyway.

Most of us who are legit are already following current 2257 law - yes.
But if you think most legit people are already following the proposed 2257 laws then you are severely mistaken.

[kush]

Originally posted by Paul Waters
I think we have to hope that Hustler and Playboy throw their lawyers at this.

Just like they all jumped in against Acacia, huh?

[Elli]

Originally posted by kush
Just like they all jumped in against Acacia, huh?

Well that was my ray of sunshine for the day.

Or not.

[doober]

Originally posted by Elli
So I guess I should make sure my WHOIS info is at a Canadian address, not my American one.

You should have always done that to begin with.
Why would you want to subject yourself the the bullshit and scrutiny of being open with the US gov anyway?

its just more headaches then its worth and being a canadian you should take full advantage of it.

[Elli]

Originally posted by doober
You should have always done that to begin with.
Why would you want to subject yourself the the bullshit and scrutiny of being open with the US gov anyway?

its just more headaches then its worth and being a canadian you should take full advantage of it.

You know, you do have a point there.

[sumphatpimp]

I really doubt this will become law as it has been posted here on the board.
If it does the Russians and others are going to love it.

America is just a small part of the internet.
This idiot law will have little or no effect on what goes on.


Bottom line, nowhere in this law (2257) has it ever stated that producer and model must stay in contact "forever".
You say she is 12, I say she is 29.
Prove it.
Records or not, you would have to go find that model and prove how old she really is today then count back to when the pics were taken. fat chance of that ever happening if you don't know where they live today, if even still alive.

this law started because of a phoney ID and it will end end because of one.

Records and ID's are easy to forge.
Whole thing don't mean shit.

the real funny part is that they are saying this to people who use PhotoShop every day for a living.
What a pisser!

Yeah right, tell me it never happened.

You know anyone ever convicted on 2257 problems?

[Varius]

All these proposed laws will end up doing is pushing more US webmasters to host outside the US, process outside the US, get their content from outside the US, not pay taxes to the US (well way less), etc....

Anyhow this shouldn't affect Dating I suppose, as the people uploading pics aren't models paid by the site, they are regulkar people using the site. Go dating

[reynold]

loads of bloody work again...

[Denis_SC]

Originally posted by Trixie
Yeah, I noticed that asshat's name at the bottom. I hope he rots in hell sucking firey donkey dick and taking the devil's dick up his ass.

[pussyluver]

Originally posted by Elli
The document mentions that they are inviting "industry comment" on the feasibility of the new regulations, and all written feedback must be received by August 24th. Now, I don't know how the American legal system works, but the people in dready's thread are talking about it coming into force in a few months? if it's not delayed or dismissed.

So everyone write in and bitch. Remind Asshat of the paper reduction act. Of course, I'd hate to say anything, I think that might invite trouble??

Fizz, US laws apply to you and Dag too. That's why there is an FBI office in Canada.

Who said the US doesn't control the Internet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we have all but two root name server located here and we control name service. No DNS, no Internet!

Thanks for the all the info Elli!

[pussyluver]

Oh, the control of name service could be a means of censorship. Just waiting for the day, the US starts banning sites at the name server level. Actually, I think they are doing this now?