kmanrox

I love the guys at Mansion and I had always thought they had the best product. But recently on the BBS as well as on a couple ICQ conversations I've heard of a few people leaving them for whatever reasons, one mainly the monthly 'rent' fee... WHatever the reason, I'd like to know if MPA2 *ISNT'T* the answer...

Then what *IS*, and why?

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one reason (personal opinion) is that i wont promote programs using MPA2 no more
im sure others do the same which would make it a reason i guess...

other scripts you can look into are monolith or the X3-Script affiliate program script.. donno if its got a name... i think it doesnt

kmanrox

why won't you promote a sponsor using mpa2?

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Monolith

http://www.speira.com

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Roald

Guess its the shaving option.

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candyflip

I have been promoting a sponsor who uses MPA2. I was pushing the 50/50 partnership and was converting on average at around 1:350 or so. I switched to PPS and my ratio is now 1:3500.

The traffic hasn't changed. The site hasn't changed. Hmmmm...what could it be?

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i donno if this is a serious question..
however
i dont feel like supporting them at all
quashe stated the reason...

apart from that i made the same experience candyflip had with 2 different sponsors
believe me... i know my traffic pretty good
drastical conversion changes happens once every here and then - pretty normal ups and downs - but dont last forfuckingever!

kmanrox

Do you realize that if you purchased someone else's program, it would take your programmer all of 15 minutes to implement a shave-o-meter?

Is the shave-o-meter the deterent for MPA2 nowadays?

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Hi kman,

of course this is a kinda biased post, but if you are looking for a MPA2 replacement, make sure to check out our product, NATS, at http://nats.toomuchmedia.com/

If you have any questions, just icq me at 1889711 or AIM me at "fthylmann"

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TheFrog

mpa2 has always seemed easy to use for me, i like it and its the sponsors who choose to include the shave feature and their choice to use it, so dont blame MPA2 for that. Even if they coded it in, its only because they were told too by the people buying

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Roald

Seems like it.

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mpa2=shaving

kmanrox

Do you realize that if you purchased someone else's program, it would take your programmer all of 15 minutes to implement a shave-o-meter?

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Stop it dude, its not worth it. They just don't seem to understand that ANY program can have a shave function

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mpa2 had some problems with stability and other scripts interfering with its scripts... since we moved it to a dedicated server its been excellent with no problems... they seem to be ironing out 99% of problems..

only negative things i can think of at the moment is the lack of flexibility you have at times when wanting to add new features (although they will do it, can take time and $$)...

Many positive things though as site suggests.... support as got a lot better now for sure.

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mpa2=shaving

candyflip

My concern isn't with shaving as much as it is with improper tracking and sales reporting. I think this is why a few of the companies who were using MPA2 have switched to other programs. In this case, it's not dishonest webmasters...it's a buggy program.

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kmanrox,

I know that most people think the main reason people switched away from MPA2 is because of the shaving feature and the resulting bad press, but after switching over multiple MPA2 installations to NATS and discussing things with our clients, we have learned that there were multiple other issues they were having.
For examples features they were looking for that MPA2 did not offer, but also little things like the system not being fully templated, so changing design elements in the resellers area always had to go via Mansion.

The bad press most likely gave some people the last needed reason to move away from MPA2.

I am also sure that MPA2 has quite a few happy customers who need many more reasons to switch to another system.

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poodle

summary of what webmasters said about mpa2:

1. shaving capability
2. not reliable
3. not flexible
4. buggy
5. poor support
6. over-charge $$
7. bad public image

Hardcore J

Indeed, PS5 is a great product, its what I run stupidcash with. The guys at X3Scripts are professional and know what they are doing... don't look at other scripts, this is the one you need!

OY

Whats up Kman - long time. How is life treating you these days?

Give me a call and I will let you know all the details you need. We have decided to stay away from the boards (when it comes to "pissing" contests because it gains nobody - even though we do pick up more business every time we do enter them)

Here are some interesting threads for you to check out that might shed some light on some of the issues we have had lately:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=262442 - did not get a lot of attention because it didnt say SHAVE in the header - go figure...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=255367 - a pretty descriptive response to one of the whopping three programs that no longer use MPA2 for different reasons.

There are lots of other threads, good and some bad, do a search :-)

Mansion Productions has gone through some great changes the last few months - due to outgrowing ourselves - transition has been GREAT and as Darren said, support issues almost ABSOLETE. What it took from us was very simply, to be stricter in making sure our customers followed our requirements - after upgrading customers and making sure new customers followed suit, no major issues at all. Just a great working program as it has been since day one.

On a sidenote, there are a few other programs out there that have gotten my attention and I think are good programs too.

"The wind always blow harder on top of the mountain"

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Halcyon

You is ignorant.

Plus, Mansion just partnered with ClickTruth.com, too. So, they are actually a safer bet than most programs.

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newbreed

To answer the original question of the thread....

The shave option was based on a percentage shown to the Affiliate. So using your example numbers it seems to me that an adjustment of that percentage is not likely. The number choice a while ago (in the Admin of MPA2) was something like what percentage of sale do you want to show your affiliates. Such a huge difference in numbers like you are saying would mean a huge change in the percentage box. If someone was going to try to shave you using that percentage change you would notice smaller incremental sales changes in my opinion.

I other words, if the number was at 10%, they would not change it all at once to 50%.

poodle

you idiot, signups can still be shaved. truthclick has no way to auth signups.

fyrflygrl

Hiya! You can check out TabooRevenue, too

http://taboorevenue.com

We're a viable solution for webmasters that need affordability, as well as additional services like affiliate program promotion and affiliate payment...

I've never used MPA2, but have two different perspectives, from experience:

1) Like Mansion, we're also a software development company... and it's quite the chore to keep up with the natural state of flux inherent to 'Internet', while trying to maintain a competitive edge for the company AND constantly build to the specs of individual webmasters...

and

2) Saying MPA2 = Shaving is like saying Gun = Killer.

You could give every adult webmaster in the world MPA2 software, and those that are going to shave with it will, and those that aren't, won't.

Anywho... if you haven't heard of us: http://taboorevenue.com.

We're 'up and coming' nicely

Fyrflygrl

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My MPA2 is working fine nowdays!

Conversions are better, sales are better.

Our server change solved alot of tech issues
with our MPA2.

Garry has been alot of help!

Oystein is still an ass though

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I have always loved companies leeching on others to gain business.... (hint hint fyflygrl) Oh well, nature of our industry I guess.

As for this "poodle" character - here is an extract of the posts made by IT so far:

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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/search...earchid=561768

Topic Forum Author Replies Views Date
Thread: If not MPA2, Then What?
Post: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Halcyon [B]
Preview:
you...
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 27 251 04-15-2004
12:10 PM
Thread: Soulcash.com announces Phat Fridays - 50$ per signup and more
Post: shaving bastard
Preview: shaving bastard
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 12 109 04-15-2004
10:22 AM
Thread: If not MPA2, Then What?
Post: summary of what webmasters said about mpa2: 1.
Preview: summary of what webmasters said about mpa2:

1. shaving capability
2. not reliable
3. not flexible
4. buggy
5. poor support
6. over-charge $$
7. bad public image
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 27 251 04-15-2004
08:04 AM
Thread: If not MPA2, Then What?
Post: mpa2=shaving
Preview: mpa2=shaving
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 27 251 04-15-2004
07:45 AM
Thread: If not MPA2, Then What?
Post: mpa2=shaving
Preview: mpa2=shaving
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 27 251 04-15-2004
07:40 AM
Thread: PRESS RELEASE-Mansion Productions and ClickTruth.com Announce Partnership
Post: i want to challenge mpa3: how does clicktru
Preview: i want to challenge mpa3:

how does clicktruth get JOIN (signup) number ?

please explain the signup flow in technical level. let everyone evaluate it, and see if there is any blackhole for...
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 42 609 04-01-2004
08:27 PM
Thread: PRESS RELEASE-Mansion Productions and ClickTruth.com Announce Partnership
Post: clicktruth can only randomly "audit" clicks, but
Preview: clicktruth can only randomly "audit" clicks, but could not audit signups. so signups can still be shaved. you should not use such trick to do "damage control" and fool affiliates. ...
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 42 609 04-01-2004
06:48 PM
Thread: PRESS RELEASE-Mansion Productions and ClickTruth.com Announce Partnership
Post: it is like a thief asking a corrupted cop to testi
Preview: it is like a thief asking a corrupted cop to testify.
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 42 609 04-01-2004
10:41 AM
Thread: Spydollars switches from MPA2 to CCBill
Post: hmmm
Preview: hmmm
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 130 2361 03-23-2004
08:08 AM
Thread: HEADER: MPA2 response to MrYellow
Post: why don't we list all sponsors who are using MPA2,
Preview: why don't we list all sponsors who are using MPA2, and let them give explaination on their businesses ??
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 80 1346 03-22-2004
09:48 AM
Thread: Spydollars switches from MPA2 to CCBill
Post: [QUOTE]Originally posted by XxXotic [B]i'
Preview: [QUOTE]Originally posted by XxXotic
[B]i'd be willing to bet the only reason you love mpshave2 so much is the shave feature they have built into it

solid program with good support... my ass...
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 130 2361 03-20-2004
08:53 AM
Thread: HEADER: MPA2 response to MrYellow
Post: mpa2 should hold some responsibility of those chea
Preview: mpa2 should hold some responsibility of those cheating sponsors who are using mpa2. because mpa2 provides easy to use shaving feature in its product.
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 80 1346 03-20-2004
08:25 AM
Thread: Spydollars switches from MPA2 to CCBill
Post: from what i saw, mpa2 really has bad support and a
Preview: from what i saw, mpa2 really has bad support and are stupid. customers just made a complaints on mpa2, if mpa2 ppl are professional, they should just explain nicely to those customers. Instead mpa2 spent...
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 130 2361 03-19-2004
10:05 PM
Thread: HEADER: MPA2 response to MrYellow
Post: affiliates should not promote those sponsors who h
Preview: affiliates should not promote those sponsors who have shaving feature, like mpa2.
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 80 1346 03-19-2004
07:59 PM
Thread: Spydollars switches from MPA2 to CCBill
Post: i remeber there were a few other threads also comp
Preview: i remeber there were a few other threads also complaining mpa2, and brokeup with it. mpa2 seems to be shite program
Fucking Around & Program Discussion poodle 130 2361 03-19-2004
07:42 AM

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Seems to me we have a MPA2 hater here. I wonder what ITs real GFY handle is - pretty weak to continue to post as a ANON - My take is that IT is either

1. A broke webmaster that cannot afford MPA2 itself. Hence discgruntled. (sorry ITs, but MPA2 is not for broke webmasters out of respect for the affiliates that need the reassurance that the program owner have finances in order to be able to pay out properly.

2. Competior - come on. Show us who you are and let us see what your program can do - this is no way to get business. Grow up.

3. One of three ex-mpa2 program owners - which I doubt, because I respect their opinions and feel myself there are no outstanding issues there anymore.

In any case, pretty amusing posts...

(so much for my non-involvement in the pissing contents here at GFY LOL)

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fyrflygrl

You're damned skippy it is

The guy that started this thread asked about something OTHER than MPA2... I'm happy to oblige

Fyrflygrl

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Who are the three?

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Major (Tom)

Agreed!
We are using NATS and are completly satisfied. It is absolutley the best affiliate software out there. After looking at many different types of affilate software, we decided that NATS would be the infrastrusture of our network. The support is great, and the features it has will give any affiliate program a competive edge instantly. Definatley look into NATS!
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Here is the original press release:

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Mansion Productions and ClickTruth.com Announce Partnership

Los Angeles, March 30, 2004 ? The Online Adult industry's most advanced billing and affiliate management software, MPA3 from Mansion Productions, has now partnered with the most trusted third-party Sponsor Auditing and Accounting service in the industry--ClickTruth.com. The strategic alliance announced today offers an unparalleled system of end-to-end billing, affiliate management and anonymous traffic/join auditing, for the largest to even the smallest Sponsor programs.

Through a process of installed scripts, credit card post-back data, and rigorous, anonymous testing and auditing, ClickTruth.com is able to confirm that webmasters are getting credit for every sale their traffic generates to a sponsor program. All that is required for webmasters to participate is to register their current affiliate ID's for free at the ClickTruth.com site for the programs they promote. Random audits are performed regularly on all enrolled members accounts with participating Sponsors, so every web master can sleep better at night knowing they are in the "preferred" list. In addition, individual web masters can have specific audits performed on their traffic for a nominal charge, to ensure that they are being credited for every sale. No more accusations and no more worries!

The ClickTruth service helps Sponsor Programs prove they are treating their web masters fairly, and gives everyone involved confidence that no "shaving" is occurring. The Porn Posse owns and operates ClickTruth.com. It's CEO, Johnny V explained, ?When every slow sales period generates accusations of shaving from under-performing webmasters, it is nice for a Sponsor Program to defer to a third party to calm the hysteria. When it becomes a my-word-against-yours situation, it?s tough to find resolution. ClickTruth allows program owners to stop worrying about disgruntled accusations and gives webmasters the tools to audit for themselves in a blind, random fashion!"

Both companies understand the need for freedom of choice, and this offer will be available for anyone running Mansion Productions new MPA3 platform that is due to be hitting the market this spring.

This partnership is yet another example of how Mansion Productions works hard to brings more value to its webmasters. The new and improved MPA3 platform will ADD to its already impressive feature list:

· Reward system ? A popular loyalty program that rewards your webmasters with goods or services.
· Shopping cart
· Fraud control Feature. IP tracking where the MPA3 program will tag a particular webmaster has signed up to the same site or different sites in the program sent by the same IP address. This is especially useful tool to control and reduce webmaster fraud in affiliate programs.
· Geo Tracking ? IP Tracking Script. Tracking which country the surfer originates from and therefore, supplying the surfer with the best billing alternative.
· Sub admin login ? add others sites to your program and give access only to their admin stats
· Database agnostic
· Multiple tours option

And more to be disclosed at launch?

Several Sponsor programs have been quietly using the ClickTruth service for months. Flashcash and PornKings were early adopters who used ClickTruth to give piece of mind to their webmasters. "Quite simply, we've always paid out honestly on every sale." said Jason Rhino of FLASHCA$H; "ClickTruth lets a third party prove that for us." Other programs are in beta testing now, including StiffyCash, FasterBucks, and GammaCash/GammaExtreme. Now, any MPA3 customer who elects to add the ClickTruth.com service can do so at a discounted price and offer their webmasters peace of mind.

To learn more about this partnership and how you can take advantage visit www.mansionproductions.com or email [email protected].


About The Porn Posse:
The Porn Posse has been in involved in the online Adult entertainment industry since 1999 and can be found at www.pornposse.com as well as at all of the shows. The Posse's goal is to become the leading Trusted, Third-party service provider in the online adult industry by bringing the most technically advanced solutions to Adult Web Masters interested in increasing Revenue, cutting Operating Expenses and building a trusted, loyal following of members and affiliates.

About Mansion Productions:
Founded in 1997, Mansion Productions specializes in providing Webmasters with tools that will allow them to grow with ease. Focusing on Programming, Consulting, Design, Hosting they take pride in providing individualized attention with a plan of action that is targeted for your audience. To learn more about Mansion Productions and their products be sure to visit www.mansionproductions.com

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Shaze

you forgot to add the negative feature of "shaving"

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Jace

jesus christ, isn't it a federal crime to "shave"?

why not report these companies that you all yell so much about to the authorities?

if someone was stealing my money I would want them locked up!

Shoplifter

I won't touch any programs that use it either. In every case where a program I had used switched from CCBill revshare to MPA2 my revenues went way down.

I'm sure the guys at MPA mean well, but if there is any possibility of abuse by their clients it just can't be taken seriously.

jimmyf

i would wonder why also, looks like ?

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bad public image is the biggie I think.

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poodle

do you think you are smarter than affiliates ? you have been helping those sponsors cheat affiliates for so long, now your shaving dirty job is exposed, you need apologize to adult community sincerely. but instead you continue to fool this community by claiming using clicktruth, which is also a stupid lie. I want to challenge you, please answer my questioin in technical level:

How does clicktruth get signup info ? from processors or from sponsors ?

Doctor Dre

You said it all

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No doubt but when it's THAT easy it makes me suspicious why would a webmaster want to use them ...

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Still a few unanswered questions in this thread, and people wonder why MPA2 gets knocked so much...

Doctor Dre

Yo no offence but you are trying to push your program too much for me ... Explain what's bad with mpa2 ... people can see your sig and will see you know what you are talking about . He didn't asked for spam . thanx

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Doctor Dre

Look they made shave-o-meter once ... Why can't they do it again ? It's not ignorance . If some1 fuck me over in the butt I won't let it happen twice. I'ma beat the fucker down every time I see and hear about it . It was a wrong decision at the start and they are paying the price ATM .

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