Anyone playing the SEO game afraid? - GoFuckYourself.com

Nysus · 04-13-2004, 01:33 PM

It's currently a month-to-month high-risk game.

Do you have an exit plan? Do you have a piggy bank of cash to retire on already? What's your plan?

Discuss.

Cheers,
Matt

Fucksakes · 04-13-2004, 01:36 PM

do you do anything but ask questions?

WiredGuy · 04-13-2004, 01:37 PM

I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy

WG

Dawgy · 04-13-2004, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy

WG

god has spoken. lol

cluck · 04-13-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy

WG

Shhh everyone thinks PPC is saturated. I'll have you know I worked hard to prepetuate those rumors

Nysus · 04-13-2004, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy

WG

Hehe. Yeah, PPC is certainly a more secure model though fairly under-explored from what I've seen.

Danny - I love you.

Cheers,
Matt

WiredGuy · 04-13-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
Shhh everyone thinks PPC is saturated. I'll have you know I worked hard to prepetuate those rumors

It's so cut-throat and competitive right now, you'd need to burn a lot of cash to get into it. I like that! Keeps the newbies and smaller players out

WG

JamesK · 04-13-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Dawgy

god has spoken. lol

WiredGuy · 04-13-2004, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
god has spoken. lol

Nysus · 04-13-2004, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

It's so cut-throat and competitive right now, you'd need to burn a lot of cash to get into it. I like that! Keeps the newbies and smaller players out

WG

I don't think you really could get a fair assessment of the traffic with small amounts of money anyways.

Cheers,
Matt

Tipsy · 04-13-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
It's currently a month-to-month high-risk game.

Do you have an exit plan? Do you have a piggy bank of cash to retire on already? What's your plan?

Discuss.

Cheers,
Matt

It's already FAR too late to be in it and be afraid. Those still banking from it, by whatever method, will be doing so in X months time. Those who can't hack it or adapt quickly are gone or already making their money elsewhere.

Doctor Dre · 04-13-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Shhh everyone thinks PPC is saturated. I'll have you know I worked hard to prepetuate those rumors

As you did for TGO right ? u seems like a big joke too me right now (sorry if you aren't). But 2 times the same kind of answer in 2 different threads ...

Doctor Dre · 04-13-2004, 02:59 PM

Hrmm sorry about the joke thign just looked at your sig ... at least that one is true . What TGO do you have ?

mb · 04-13-2004, 03:19 PM

Are we only talking about PPC here? The topic says SEO, which is all forms of search engine optimization. Nothing to worry about if you run clean, freshly updated sites full of interesting content. Those types of sites will always fair well in the SEs because that's what they want surfers to discover. Those employing trickery and such should definately start making their exit strategy now because the SE game is getting tighter. The high profile engines are consolidating and improving algorithms... it's no longer a free for all for spammers.

marc

Rictor · 04-13-2004, 03:37 PM

Is the sex.com spam bot broken?

slapass · 04-13-2004, 03:41 PM

Not sure why I would be afraid. Quit reading the major SEO forum and just do. No more fear or worries just traffic.

davethetruth · 04-13-2004, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

It's so cut-throat and competitive right now, you'd need to burn a lot of cash to get into it. I like that! Keeps the newbies and smaller players out

WG

This is very true!

I was able to start out experimenting when PPC was brand new, but now you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars for it to be worthwhile. Many people don't even bother and I don't blame them.

davethetruth · 04-13-2004, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by mb
Nothing to worry about if you run clean, freshly updated sites full of interesting content. Those types of sites will always fair well in the SEs because that's what they want surfers to discover. marc

Yeah right, not if you have a dynamic web site like us:

www.BedroomSports.com

Dracula · 04-13-2004, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
It's currently a month-to-month high-risk game.

Matt

Google: day to day high risk, full of tricks, spam, abuse
Yahoo-MSN: still simple, and some of the abuse is quickly banned

PPC - never. My keywords are simply too expensive. And I like big profits

Btw, I'm glad to see on GFY so many good SEOs.

davethetruth · 04-13-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dracula

Google: day to day high risk, full of tricks, spam, abuse
Yahoo-MSN: still simple, and some of the abuse is quickly banned

PPC - never. My keywords are simply too expensive. And I like big profits

Btw, I'm glad to see on GFY so many good SEOs.

What keywords?

volante · 04-13-2004, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davethetruth

I was able to start out experimenting when PPC was brand new, but now you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars for it to be worthwhile. Many people don't even bother and I don't blame them.

I made shitloads of money when Goto.com was initially launched, totally by accident (at first...) . For some reason best known to Goto, they only updated their listings once every hour, unless you had a new highest bid in which case they'd update immediately. I set up an account with bids on around 2000 keywords, all at the lowest bid and with $25 in my account. One minute after the listings updated, I'd raise the bids on all my keywords to whatever was needed to get them listed in first place.

A minute later, my account balance would be $0.00 (it NEVER went into a negative!) but my keywords would still be in first place for the rest of the hour! When the listings updated at the end of the hour, I'd reduce the bids to the minimum, add another $25 to my account, and raise all my bids again.

I was spending $25 per hour to earn $400 per hour. I got away with it for 4 days before Goto caught on and changed the way the listings were updated...

AaronM · 04-13-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fucksakes
do you do anything but ask questions?

Is there a better way to learn?

Steen2 · 04-13-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy

WG

word to that

Doctor Dre · 04-14-2004, 02:00 AM

Congrats nynsus you just got yourself the thread of the day .

The guys from playgirl were spending 100 k a day in SE traffic ... that's kinda crazy

woj · 04-14-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by volante

I made shitloads of money when Goto.com was initially launched, totally by accident (at first...) . For some reason best known to Goto, they only updated their listings once every hour, unless you had a new highest bid in which case they'd update immediately. I set up an account with bids on around 2000 keywords, all at the lowest bid and with $25 in my account. One minute after the listings updated, I'd raise the bids on all my keywords to whatever was needed to get them listed in first place.

A minute later, my account balance would be $0.00 (it NEVER went into a negative!) but my keywords would still be in first place for the rest of the hour! When the listings updated at the end of the hour, I'd reduce the bids to the minimum, add another $25 to my account, and raise all my bids again.

I was spending $25 per hour to earn $400 per hour. I got away with it for 4 days before Goto caught on and changed the way the listings were updated...

lol, that's awesome...

XM · 04-14-2004, 02:27 AM

If amount of sites in your imperium rises steadily the risk of month-to-month changes reduces greatly. I haven't seen any major changes in algo since Nov.03 and my traffic is pretty stable and growing based on how much stuff I am adding. Operating in large scales is the way to go, as in any other business.

XM

Rich · 04-14-2004, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

It's so cut-throat and competitive right now, you'd need to burn a lot of cash to get into it. I like that! Keeps the newbies and smaller players out

WG

Agreed

Sausage · 04-14-2004, 02:41 AM

SEO is an interesting occupation ;)

But I don't see things changing too much, just the methods. You have to stay ahead, and I admit that trying to work out Yahoo's algorithim is causing me headaches. I can nail most minor listings but can't seem to get my target sites listed where I want them.

Google never changes too much. minor tweaks here and there.

You think the move to cpc listings will continue ?

DarkJedi · 04-14-2004, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by volante

I made shitloads of money when Goto.com was initially launched, totally by accident (at first...) . For some reason best known to Goto, they only updated their listings once every hour, unless you had a new highest bid in which case they'd update immediately. I set up an account with bids on around 2000 keywords, all at the lowest bid and with $25 in my account. One minute after the listings updated, I'd raise the bids on all my keywords to whatever was needed to get them listed in first place.

A minute later, my account balance would be $0.00 (it NEVER went into a negative!) but my keywords would still be in first place for the rest of the hour! When the listings updated at the end of the hour, I'd reduce the bids to the minimum, add another $25 to my account, and raise all my bids again.

I was spending $25 per hour to earn $400 per hour. I got away with it for 4 days before Goto caught on and changed the way the listings were updated...

haha nice story

Trax · 04-14-2004, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sausage
SEO is an interesting occupation ;)

But I don't see things changing too much, just the methods. You have to stay ahead, and I admit that trying to work out Yahoo's algorithim is causing me headaches. I can nail most minor listings but can't seem to get my target sites listed where I want them.

Google never changes too much. minor tweaks here and there.

i dont agree
google is a lot harder to optimize for than yahoo
yahoo is a joke right now lol
getting #1 spots for high value keywords really is a joke
on google its PURE LUCK... lol

WiredGuy · 04-14-2004, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by volante

I made shitloads of money when Goto.com was initially launched, totally by accident (at first...) . For some reason best known to Goto, they only updated their listings once every hour, unless you had a new highest bid in which case they'd update immediately. I set up an account with bids on around 2000 keywords, all at the lowest bid and with $25 in my account. One minute after the listings updated, I'd raise the bids on all my keywords to whatever was needed to get them listed in first place.

A minute later, my account balance would be $0.00 (it NEVER went into a negative!) but my keywords would still be in first place for the rest of the hour! When the listings updated at the end of the hour, I'd reduce the bids to the minimum, add another $25 to my account, and raise all my bids again.

I was spending $25 per hour to earn $400 per hour. I got away with it for 4 days before Goto caught on and changed the way the listings were updated...

LOL, that genious

Did Goto ever bill you for the other traffic?

WG

Weppel · 04-14-2004, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by volante

I made shitloads of money when Goto.com was initially launched, totally by accident (at first...) . For some reason best known to Goto, they only updated their listings once every hour, unless you had a new highest bid in which case they'd update immediately. I set up an account with bids on around 2000 keywords, all at the lowest bid and with $25 in my account. One minute after the listings updated, I'd raise the bids on all my keywords to whatever was needed to get them listed in first place.

A minute later, my account balance would be $0.00 (it NEVER went into a negative!) but my keywords would still be in first place for the rest of the hour! When the listings updated at the end of the hour, I'd reduce the bids to the minimum, add another $25 to my account, and raise all my bids again.

I was spending $25 per hour to earn $400 per hour. I got away with it for 4 days before Goto caught on and changed the way the listings were updated...

If i would have known that, i wouldn't have left my house nor my computer for 4 straight days

No sleep for me! 8 hours of sleep would cost you 3k

justsexxx · 04-14-2004, 06:00 AM

Well I guess this counts for every "method" of money making...

Andre

pussyluver · 04-14-2004, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

i dont agree
google is a lot harder to optimize for than yahoo
yahoo is a joke right now lol
getting #1 spots for high value keywords really is a joke
on google its PURE LUCK... lol

And google is at least ten times the traffic for a cash keyword on top.

I think those that say google is easy might be in for a surprise one day. If you've been on top for awhile and wear a black hat, things might be going fine for now. I don't think it will last.

Steve · 04-14-2004, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Weppel

If i would have known that, i wouldn't have left my house nor my computer for 4 straight days No sleep for me! 8 hours of sleep would cost you 3k

indeed, non-stop coffee, or train someone to relieve you

by the way, your sig file is like 50 feet tall in Mozilla

erehwon · 04-14-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
It's so cut-throat and competitive right now, you'd need to burn a lot of cash to get into it. I like that! Keeps the newbies and smaller players out

WG

How much is "a lot of cash" on a daily, weekly basis to see the results that make PPC worthwhile?

crash · 04-14-2004, 11:54 AM

Just my 2 cents
SEO (spamming) is a constantly moving target with google. But, the target doesnt really move very far.

If you know how to generate PR and build spam sites and how to feed the PR effectively into your spam sites, your on easy street. Oh, and of course, you have to produce sites faster than they are banned. If you can do that, the general trend is a continuing increase in revenue

I gave up reading all the SEO forums a year ago. Those fuckers always say this doesnt work and doing that will get you banned. Its all crap, just build things slightly differently every time you do a build, and you know what works best.

Of course, you have to increase automation to replace banned sites, to keep increasing revenue, but thats what programmers are for.

Half the fun of this game is beating the system, thats my reward anyway - and of course $$

davethetruth · 04-14-2004, 11:57 AM

Do you work for Adult Search Solutions crash?

ICQ
326292549

crash · 04-14-2004, 12:00 PM

Dave
nope

I work for my wife and kid

Seriously, its just me and my computer

cluck · 04-14-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

As you did for TGO right ? u seems like a big joke too me right now (sorry if you aren't). But 2 times the same kind of answer in 2 different threads ...

LOL, I was joking about TGO. I think half of GFY doesn't realize TGO is a misspelling of TGP.

Seriously though PPC isn't that hard to make money at from an advertiser standpoint. Even adwords or overture at 0.05-0.10/click seems pricey but with good copy and a good range of properly targetted keywords you can easily turn a good profit.

Rorschach · 04-28-2005, 05:38 PM

interesting

Downtime · 04-28-2005, 05:40 PM

all business entails some form of risk, if it's too stressful for you then go work for someone and sit in a cubicle all day filling out TPS reports.

yes i play the SEO game, but the majority of my traffic still comes from other sources. just have a backup, whether it's money or traffic; something.

TheJimmy · 04-28-2005, 05:44 PM

It's all about the Meta Tags man, all about the Meta Tags ;)

.

Basic_man · 04-28-2005, 05:46 PM

I wish I had WG skills !

swedguy · 04-28-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Basic_man

I wish I had WG skills !

Amen to that

I just play nice and clean and that's enough for me.

Tempest · 04-28-2005, 06:13 PM

I'll say it since no one else has yet...

There's no money in SEO.. Go build your thumb TGPs.

Phoenix · 04-28-2005, 06:15 PM

im doing well with our ppc accounts...going to increase

BlackCrayon · 04-28-2005, 06:29 PM

seo spamming should be viewed no different than email spamming. when im trying to find what i need it wastes valuable production time! you're wasting everyones time! bastards.

Agnosticism · 04-28-2005, 07:48 PM

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seo spamming should be viewed no different than email spamming. when im trying to find what i need it wastes valuable production time! you're wasting everyones time! bastards.

Used to be insane a couple years ago. Using SE's to find criteria was utterly pointless and that is when I switch to specific boards to find links and information about certain subjects. But yes SEO's (SE Spammers) waste a lot of consumers time and affect certain classes of IPs (Pretty much the same as RBLs. I view SEO being more random with locales then e-mail spammers mostly because spammers are bound to be in some asian country while SEO are found over the globe... mostly clean US/EU c-class IPs. So all and all I really don't think SEOs are going to get the whip because just like spyware it is hard to pin point the people and there taking more money from the typical consumer rather then the big corporations. Down with SEO :X

Tempest · 04-28-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Agnosticism

Used to be insane a couple years ago. Using SE's to find criteria was utterly pointless and that is when I switch to specific boards to find links and information about certain subjects. But yes SEO's (SE Spammers) waste a lot of consumers time and affect certain classes of IPs (Pretty much the same as RBLs. I view SEO being more random with locales then e-mail spammers mostly because spammers are bound to be in some asian country while SEO are found over the globe... mostly clean US/EU c-class IPs. So all and all I really don't think SEOs are going to get the whip because just like spyware it is hard to pin point the people and there taking more money from the typical consumer rather then the big corporations. Down with SEO :X

SEO is search engine optimization... what you're talking about is more "black hat" SEO.

04-13-2004, 01:37 PM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	I do have exit strategies and contingency plans, but I don't see the immediate need to employ them. It's a very volatile market, but the PPC and PPI models offer quite some stability. The free traffic rankings at this point make up the bread and butter. PPC is secure and stable enough to make a living on. The rest is just gravy WG __________________ I play with Google.

04-14-2004, 02:41 AM	#28
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	SEO is an interesting occupation ;) But I don't see things changing too much, just the methods. You have to stay ahead, and I admit that trying to work out Yahoo's algorithim is causing me headaches. I can nail most minor listings but can't seem to get my target sites listed where I want them. Google never changes too much. minor tweaks here and there. You think the move to cpc listings will continue ? __________________ IW Skype : blance8888 Icq : 15567120 Last edited by Sausage; 04-14-2004 at 02:44 AM..

04-14-2004, 06:00 AM	#33
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04-14-2004, 11:54 AM	#37
crash Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 97	Just my 2 cents SEO (spamming) is a constantly moving target with google. But, the target doesnt really move very far. If you know how to generate PR and build spam sites and how to feed the PR effectively into your spam sites, your on easy street. Oh, and of course, you have to produce sites faster than they are banned. If you can do that, the general trend is a continuing increase in revenue I gave up reading all the SEO forums a year ago. Those fuckers always say this doesnt work and doing that will get you banned. Its all crap, just build things slightly differently every time you do a build, and you know what works best. Of course, you have to increase automation to replace banned sites, to keep increasing revenue, but thats what programmers are for. Half the fun of this game is beating the system, thats my reward anyway - and of course $$ __________________ My Adult Banners The Webs Leading Adult Banner Exchange Network

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04-13-2004, 01:33 PM	#1
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Anyone playing the SEO game afraid? It's currently a month-to-month high-risk game. Do you have an exit plan? Do you have a piggy bank of cash to retire on already? What's your plan? Discuss. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

04-13-2004, 01:36 PM	#2
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04-13-2004, 03:19 PM	#14
mb Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,550	Are we only talking about PPC here? The topic says SEO, which is all forms of search engine optimization. Nothing to worry about if you run clean, freshly updated sites full of interesting content. Those types of sites will always fair well in the SEs because that's what they want surfers to discover. Those employing trickery and such should definately start making their exit strategy now because the SE game is getting tighter. The high profile engines are consolidating and improving algorithms... it's no longer a free for all for spammers. marc

04-13-2004, 03:37 PM	#15
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Is the sex.com spam bot broken?

04-13-2004, 03:41 PM	#16
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Not sure why I would be afraid. Quit reading the major SEO forum and just do. No more fear or worries just traffic.

04-14-2004, 02:27 AM	#26
XM Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: SVK Posts: 406	If amount of sites in your imperium rises steadily the risk of month-to-month changes reduces greatly. I haven't seen any major changes in algo since Nov.03 and my traffic is pretty stable and growing based on how much stuff I am adding. Operating in large scales is the way to go, as in any other business. XM

04-14-2004, 12:00 PM	#39
crash Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 97	Dave nope I work for my wife and kid Seriously, its just me and my computer __________________ My Adult Banners The Webs Leading Adult Banner Exchange Network

04-28-2005, 05:38 PM	#41
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04-28-2005, 05:40 PM	#42
Downtime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: America. Posts: 7,320	all business entails some form of risk, if it's too stressful for you then go work for someone and sit in a cubicle all day filling out TPS reports. yes i play the SEO game, but the majority of my traffic still comes from other sources. just have a backup, whether it's money or traffic; something. __________________ #27024067

04-28-2005, 05:44 PM	#43
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04-28-2005, 06:13 PM	#46
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I'll say it since no one else has yet... There's no money in SEO.. Go build your thumb TGPs.

04-28-2005, 06:15 PM	#47
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04-28-2005, 06:29 PM	#48
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	seo spamming should be viewed no different than email spamming. when im trying to find what i need it wastes valuable production time! you're wasting everyones time! bastards. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..