I've never understood how anyone can be out of work.

[KRL]

Listening to CNN and they're talking about the unemployment numbers and that 8 million Americans are out of work.

How the hell can you be out of work. You pick up any paper in any city in this country and there are tons of jobs listed every day.

[MrJackMeHoff]

Lazy fucknuts or idiots who dont realize they are not "too good" to work at McDonalds.

[Paul Markham]

How many of the jobs are for skilled, managerial and technical people and what are the qualifications of those loooking for jobs?

I was once told by David Sullivan, owns The Sport Newspaper and probably worth half a billion, that we make our money out of the lower classes.

His reasoning was Millionaires book a hooker for a weekend, rich guys book her for the night, well off book her for an hour. The "working classes" buy a magazine, Internet did not exist then, so a "Working class" with money to spare for pleasures was the thing that made him rich.

Not much help to us giving a millionaire and extra $1,000 he will not be buying memberships. Better to give 100 guys $10. Some will buy some trials.

[brickbat]

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
Lazy fucknuts or idiots who dont realize they are not "too good" to work at McDonalds.

Or "too poor" to start a business...

[GoodGuy]

8 million people: drunk people, perverts (they can work on xbiz), fbi wanted people, etc etc etc.

[Joetanto]

holding out for management

[FuqALot]

Are those people registered and looking for work or is it maybe ppl that are working as an adult webmaster :P.

[twistyneck]

Originally posted by KRL
Listening to CNN and they're talking about the unemployment numbers and that 8 million Americans are out of work.

How the hell can you be out of work. You pick up any paper in any city in this country and there are tons of jobs listed every day.

That just isn't true.

[Babagirls]

i have a part time job as a cook at a resturant, and the winter months are slow....so im only getting like 4 hours a week!! thats how!!

[beemk]

most of america is lazy

[jayeff]

Couldn't you have answered that yourself?

The official unemployment figures are not much more than half the real underemployment figures (unemployed + involuntary part-time workers). No-one - believe it or not - even has reliable estimates of the number of job vacancies, but the prevailing opinion os there are fewer jobs than job seekers, before you even start to factor in mismatched jobs and people, problems of distance, exceptionally low pay, etc.

[Gemini]

I imagine many of them are single parents with a kid or two... At roughly 100 a child per week (+/-) for child care, a Mickeys job would leave them paying out more than they could possibly bring in.

Add to that the people that live in rural areas where there are NO jobs, none coming anytime soon and they don't have the $$ to move etc, they're stuck.

Many are also the ones that SSI rejected for claims and they aren't aware that they CAN contest it with a lawyer, or no lawyers are available... (More than half of all claims have to resort to legal counsel which not only costs the government serious dollars to fight off (which they lose more often than not anyhow) and the lawyers end up with 33.3% of the clients balloon payment which can amount to tens of thousands of dollars)

The current job run is mostly the Public Workers who were laid off (in the thousands currently), they are grabbing anything they can get and usually have to take 2-3 jobs to even come close to their past salaries. They are trying to save their houses and lives.

Yet ol Dubya keeps crowing about the low unemployment rate (see: public workers are NOT included in those unemployment totals) and how fast the jobs are beinging created and filled.

D'oh! Yep and inflation is all set and ready to pop all over our b*tts. EVERY business is currently raising their rates-prices to cover the high fuel costs or they willl go broke.

[dav555add]

Unemployment numbers include people who cannot work due to various reasons such as; mental problems, substance abuse, "lazy" welfare recipient...

[zentz]

lazy retards cant work

[CamChicks]

A lot of people live in areas where there really are few jobs, but they can't save up enough money to start a new life elsewhere and/or don't want to leave their friends/family/community.

In Phoenix, just being able to speak english will put your resume on the top of the pile if you're applying at McDonalds. Here in Eugene, even those jobs are competative, filled with educated college students. And this place is hardly economically depressed. If you live in some rural area where the one factory that employed half the town shuts down... ouch.

[DR_PHIL]

people get degrees and think they are too good for service jobs

[KraZ]

I think KRL means you can always find a job if you want to ... all the stuff you mentioned is excuses...

[B40]

Competition...new grads are only getting about 24k to start...

There are tons of jobs out there, but I bet each job gets a shit load of applicants

[stephanie m.]

Originally posted by Babagirls
i have a part time job as a cook at a resturant, and the winter months are slow....so im only getting like 4 hours a week!! thats how!!

Why don't you work online full time?

[stephanie m.]

Originally posted by DR_PHIL
people get degrees and think they are too good for service jobs

Bingo

[shepherd]

We are tought the wrong things in school and someone forgot to tell us why we're getting paid in the first place.
Those who figure it out make millions and those who don't are still looking for a "job".
A job is nothing more then bringing value to an employer, to the marketplace.
If you know how to bring value to the marketplace you can hahahahaha your own check. If you don't, like those 8 millions, you are dependant on someone else finding what he can do with you, if anything.
Just last night I met this girl in a club and she was between jobs, looking for a job.
When we first started to talk she didn't see any options and was thinking of selling her house and rent an apartment, when we went home she was as excited about starting something new as a kid in a candyland
PMA.

[Firehorse]

In Australia if you want to work you can always find well paid work. Like most things in life it depends on how much you really want it and how you approach it. 100% of it is attitude!

[AcidMax]

It's because many people are learning the system. The system that says, I don't have to do shit and can stay on welfare for a long time, collect a check and not work. If you could sit and home, not lift a finger and collect a check wouldn't you? OK, maybe not, maybe you like working, but the fact of the matter is that people don't want to work.

I currently live in one of the poorest counties in the state of Michigan. 70% of the people who live here are on government assistance. I have put ads in the paper, talked to friends, and anything else I could do to find people to do work around my house, paying $8-10/hr cash. Last year I had a guy that worked for 3 days, doing simple yard work, raking leaves, cleaning the beach. Everyday we paid him cash, paid for his lunch, etc. We let him do the work, no one pressured him, he just stopped showing up because if they caught him working he would loose his disability.

Believe it or not there are just a lot of lazy people out there, we are still looking for people to work for us around our house and no one wants to.

The 6% unemployment rate or whatever it is, is made up mostly of simply lazy people, the rest are honest hard working people who happened to get laid off and cannot really find work (just because they dont want to work at MickeyD's to feed the family).

My

[eroswebmaster]

This whole theory that anyone can just get a job at McDonald's is flawed.

How many people here actually have employees?

How many people here have had to do hiring for companies? In large numbers?

Are you hiring skilled people or just laborers?

How many of you are still young? Or under 50?

These are all valid questions when you consider some of the job factors.

The mindset of business has greatly changed over the last 20+ years.

My grandfather's generation went to work at companies and spent 25-30 years there before retiring with them.

As a kid my father's generation spoke of that importance as well. But before my father's generation could retire companies started to find it was cheaper to hire kids straight out of college and pay them half to do the jobs that men/women who had been there for 15-20 years were doing.

It was also cheaper to buy them out instead of letting them retire with the company.

This left a group of people who were too qualified.

This now carries over into that group of people with degrees but who are afriad to do service jobs as someone pointed ot above..and the hiring practices of companies.

As a manager of Taco Bell for 7 years I can assure you, you would not want a college graduate working your drive thru, or your register.

Why?

It all boils down to lowering turnover rates.

This is a person who will not be happy with his or her job so why spend the time to train them when you could easily find some 16 year old to do the job so they can go out and buy the latest Eminem CD?

When hiring for lower skilled jobs especially in places like fast food jobs your best prospects for long term employees are:

1. High School Graduates especially those with GEDs.
Those with GEDs have already shown they are willing to work hard to accomplish something.

2. Mothers with children. Mothers with children will work hard, and show up for work because they need to feed their kids.
Fathers were just not as good, most of them were not true fathers to begin with, just some "baby's daddy" who didn't even pay child support.

I also have an Uncle who was in human resources for many years in both the medical field and the oil industry and once again as a kid he always preached long term with companies, but as I grew older and over the past 20 years that has changed and he now talks about constant change but never settling for less than at least lateral movement.

He would also tell you that while degrees are important along with age that could cost a company much more money, so once again they'd rather hire the kid out of college who will take less than the guy in his 40's who already has 10+ years experience in the field but would ask for more money.

There are so many factors in why people are unemployed and there are far too many intelligent people in this thread to assume it all boils down to one reason.."laziness."

[KRL]

Originally posted by KraZ
I think KRL means you can always find a job if you want to ... all the stuff you mentioned is excuses...

Exactly. That's my point.

[KRL]

Originally posted by AcidMax
It's because many people are learning the system. The system that says, I don't have to do shit and can stay on welfare for a long time, collect a check and not work. If you could sit and home, not lift a finger and collect a check wouldn't you? OK, maybe not, maybe you like working, but the fact of the matter is that people don't want to work.

I currently live in one of the poorest counties in the state of Michigan. 70% of the people who live here are on government assistance. I have put ads in the paper, talked to friends, and anything else I could do to find people to do work around my house, paying $8-10/hr cash. Last year I had a guy that worked for 3 days, doing simple yard work, raking leaves, cleaning the beach. Everyday we paid him cash, paid for his lunch, etc. We let him do the work, no one pressured him, he just stopped showing up because if they caught him working he would loose his disability.

Believe it or not there are just a lot of lazy people out there, we are still looking for people to work for us around our house and no one wants to.

The 6% unemployment rate or whatever it is, is made up mostly of simply lazy people, the rest are honest hard working people who happened to get laid off and cannot really find work (just because they dont want to work at MickeyD's to feed the family).

My

I've seen people do that where they work just a bit so they can then get unemployment checks.

[AcidMax]

Do you really think Mickey D's is looking for a cashier to be there 20 years? NO!

Believe it or not I was an executive in telecommunicatons before I got into porn. I was responsible for managed services for companies like Hudsons, BP Amoco, Daimler Chrysler and others. In November 2001 I got laid off, did it hurt? Sure it did, but I started my own business as anyone can.

There are tons of places to find work, McDonalds, Gas Stations, Janitors, etc., its just a image issue for most people. Would I have wanted to work at McDonalds after being an executive at a major telcom company? No, but the fact of the matter is I would have done whatever needed to be done in order to make money for my family and put food on the table and I sure as hell wouldn't have expected all the other hard working individuals to support my lazy ass for a long period of time.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by AcidMax
Do you really think Mickey D's is looking for a cashier to be there 20 years? NO!

Believe it or not I was an executive in telecommunicatons before I got into porn. I was responsible for managed services for companies like Hudsons, BP Amoco, Daimler Chrysler and others. In November 2001 I got laid off, did it hurt? Sure it did, but I started my own business as anyone can.

There are tons of places to find work, McDonalds, Gas Stations, Janitors, etc., its just a image issue for most people. Would I have wanted to work at McDonalds after being an executive at a major telcom company? No, but the fact of the matter is I would have done whatever needed to be done in order to make money for my family and put food on the table and I sure as hell wouldn't have expected all the other hard working individuals to support my lazy ass for a long period of time.

I can see why you got laid off. It was either for lack of reading comprehension or just not paying enough attention..LOL
go back and read my post a bit more thoroughly and you just might want to edit your post.

[Phoenix]

it is easy for some people on here who have already made oodles of money...work for themselves and could probably put it on cruise control to last the rest of their life.



here is the real truth...people are underpaid

i know that many in this industry who can barely pay bills.
most workers are working just to live..and barely at that


not everyone can be an entrepeneur

if your expenses are X and all jobs offer you 3/4X the world is a pretty fuckin bleak place


{3000 posts} yippee

[AcidMax]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


I can see why you got laid off. It was either for lack of reading comprehension or just not paying enough attention..LOL
go back and read my post a bit more thoroughly and you just might want to edit your post.

Actually I did read your post, thank you very much...your statement was

"This whole theory that anyone can just get a job at McDonald's is flawed."

The fact that everyone uses McDonalds we are not all saying everyone should work at McDonalds, it is simply a way of saying, there are plenty of jobs out there regardless of skill level, education, language spoken, religion etc.

More people spend more time spitting out excuses why they DONT work, where if they used that time more efficiently they would have a job.

Now, your sarcasim was unwarranted as my post wasn't directed entirely at you, it was explaining the point of view, regarding 1 point you made. You don't know me, you don't know my education level or anything else. That means you are assuming and just trying to get into a pissing match with someone, good luck with that.

[myjah]

lots of reasons...mainly I think its unemployment compensation. I don't know a single person who would not be unemployed for 6 months if they were getting a check for it.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by AcidMax


Actually I did read your post, thank you very much...your statement was

"This whole theory that anyone can just get a job at McDonald's is flawed."

The fact that everyone uses McDonalds we are not all saying everyone should work at McDonalds, it is simply a way of saying, there are plenty of jobs out there regardless of skill level, education, language spoken, religion etc.

More people spend more time spitting out excuses why they DONT work, where if they used that time more efficiently they would have a job.

Now, your sarcasim was unwarranted as my post wasn't directed entirely at you, it was explaining the point of view, regarding 1 point you made. You don't know me, you don't know my education level or anything else. That means you are assuming and just trying to get into a pissing match with someone, good luck with that.

You may have read my post but you still have not understood it.

Most companies like McDonald's etc would not want to hire someone with a college education. Why? Because they will constantly be looking for something better, and will of course not be happy with their current job.

Of course no one wants to spend 20 years at McDonald's but the simple fact is you won't find a job you can spend 20 years at almost anywhere.

However if you are running a McDonald's you want to lower your already high turn over rate so you will hire those who fit the role of that job.

That's people who have a limited education and know there won't be much more out there for them.

When I left Taco Bell I was going to go back to school.
I went and applied at lower skill level jobs just to cover my expenses without having to commit so much time as I did when managing...I could not get hired at those lower skilled jobs.
The hiring manager, or human resource people always questioned why I was doing this, and no matter how many times I explained to them why they always had that look in their eyes as if to say..."something must be wrong with this guy."

I never went back to school...LOL I've pretty much been in business for myself since then and spend much more time working than I did when I was managing for Taco Bell...but of course I enjoy it much more.

[eroswebmaster]

And since I can't edit my post now...when I speak of hiring for McDonalds and not wanting college graduates I am not speaking about management. Most fast food companies wouldn't give you a management job if you did not have a degree.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by KRL

How the hell can you be out of work. You pick up any paper in any city in this country and there are tons of jobs listed every day.

What you don't see is that there are TONS MORE people applying for each and every one of those jobs in the paper.

Case in point, my GF interviewed for an office manager position yesterday. The company that put the ad in the paper a few days ago told her that they've received over 200 resumes for that one position.
So are the 199 people that don't get hired for this job lazy?

[benthompson]

When they do not work, government pays them money which encourages them to be lazy. If they were hungry they would find a work but they are not. Any work is better then being unemployed.

[BV]

who gives a fuck, doesn't bother me in the least.

[aflex]

2/3 of all jobs are gained from networking with others, not newspapers.

jobs are out there, but they arent in newspapers.

[CyberTraffic]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
This whole theory that anyone can just get a job at McDonald's is flawed.

How many people here actually have employees?

How many people here have had to do hiring for companies? In large numbers?

Are you hiring skilled people or just laborers?

How many of you are still young? Or under 50?

These are all valid questions when you consider some of the job factors.

The mindset of business has greatly changed over the last 20+ years.

My grandfather's generation went to work at companies and spent 25-30 years there before retiring with them.

As a kid my father's generation spoke of that importance as well. But before my father's generation could retire companies started to find it was cheaper to hire kids straight out of college and pay them half to do the jobs that men/women who had been there for 15-20 years were doing.

It was also cheaper to buy them out instead of letting them retire with the company.

This left a group of people who were too qualified.

This now carries over into that group of people with degrees but who are afriad to do service jobs as someone pointed ot above..and the hiring practices of companies.

As a manager of Taco Bell for 7 years I can assure you, you would not want a college graduate working your drive thru, or your register.

Why?

It all boils down to lowering turnover rates.

This is a person who will not be happy with his or her job so why spend the time to train them when you could easily find some 16 year old to do the job so they can go out and buy the latest Eminem CD?

When hiring for lower skilled jobs especially in places like fast food jobs your best prospects for long term employees are:

1. High School Graduates especially those with GEDs.
Those with GEDs have already shown they are willing to work hard to accomplish something.

2. Mothers with children. Mothers with children will work hard, and show up for work because they need to feed their kids.
Fathers were just not as good, most of them were not true fathers to begin with, just some "baby's daddy" who didn't even pay child support.

I also have an Uncle who was in human resources for many years in both the medical field and the oil industry and once again as a kid he always preached long term with companies, but as I grew older and over the past 20 years that has changed and he now talks about constant change but never settling for less than at least lateral movement.

He would also tell you that while degrees are important along with age that could cost a company much more money, so once again they'd rather hire the kid out of college who will take less than the guy in his 40's who already has 10+ years experience in the field but would ask for more money.

There are so many factors in why people are unemployed and there are far too many intelligent people in this thread to assume it all boils down to one reason.."laziness."

eros respect level = +10

[jayeff]

The view that the poor are largely responsible for their own predicament has little to do with reality. And the complacency of most who express that view is astonishing, since they likely only occupy a modest spot on the economic ladder themselves and are far more likely to move down, rather than up.

One of every six people in the US is officially poor (off the top of my head that means living on less than around $10k per year for an individual and less than $19k per year for a couple with 2 children). The poor are not the marginal group many appear to believe.

According to the New York Times last year, 46% of the job sectors with the most growth over the last decade pay less than $16k a year. A massive 74% of jobs created during the same period pay below a livable wage (classified as one which allows for local housing costs to be not more than 30% of that wage).

In sharp contrast, over the past 25 years, CEO salaries have gone from 39 times the pay of an average worker to more than 1,000 times. The wealthiest 1% of all households now controls 38% of national wealth, while the bottom 80% of households holds only 17%.

The bottom line is that fewer than 1 in 5 people can really think of themselves as solidly middle class. And while most of them probably still believe in the concept of upward mobility, the fact is that the vast majority will be disappointed. Those who do move forward, with very few exceptions will only achieve modest success. Far more will lose ground. And if you are born poor, the odds are overwhelmingly against ever climbing out of poverty.

[cayne]

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
Lazy fucknuts or idiots who dont realize they are not "too good" to work at McDonalds.

In germany there are a lot more of these lazy fuckers, but here the got more money from the state than if they would go to work.

[Gemini]

You guys seem like you believe that
1) welfare pays tons of cash and forevermore
nope... Ohio its 3 yrs and you are off, job or no job
ALL states have a cut off now and have for sev yrs
2) Disabilty pays tons of cash - nope
its based on your previous work history salary
many dads go andabout kill themselves to get some extra cash for a kids bday or xmas.

3) and other silly inane things

Yeah there are some lazy ppl out there but not nearly as many as some of you seem to think.

[DarkJedi]

Originally posted by KRL
Listening to CNN and they're talking about the unemployment numbers and that 8 million Americans are out of work.

How the hell can you be out of work. You pick up any paper in any city in this country and there are tons of jobs listed every day.

Are there tons of jobs that pay enough to support a family?

[BV]

Originally posted by DarkJedi



Are there tons of jobs that pay enough to support a family?

you mean my babies momma? or my babies mommas momma?

[DarkJedi]

Originally posted by BV
who gives a fuck, doesn't bother me in the least.

Things change.

[spentrent]

Originally posted by benthompson
When they do not work, government pays them money which encourages them to be lazy. If they were hungry they would find a work but they are not. Any work is better then being unemployed.

Yeah, living in the projects sure encourages laziness.

[Fletch XXX]

when i found out i could make money online, i quit my jobs.

technically been unemployed for over 4 years or so now.

hehehe

living easy, living free.

[erehwon]

Funny, no mention of individuals who are considered "over-qualified" for some jobs out there, yet under-qualified for others.

I know a number of un/underemployed friends that watched their jobs go overseas to India, now I see the trend of onshoring, offshore work just to keep competitive with Indian programmers.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by erehwon
Funny, no mention of individuals who are considered "over-qualified" for some jobs out there, yet under-qualified for others.

I know a number of un/underemployed friends that watched their jobs go overseas to India, now I see the trend of onshoring, offshore work just to keep competitive with Indian programmers.

Actually I touched on it in a couple of my posts...they are a bit long so you probably didn't read them.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by KRL
Listening to CNN and they're talking about the unemployment numbers and that 8 million Americans are out of work.

How the hell can you be out of work. You pick up any paper in any city in this country and there are tons of jobs listed every day.

When my wife got laid off from her job, she looked for a new one but couldn't find anything that paid a decent wage. She was making enough money before she got laid off that she could collect the maximum amount of unemployment. The reason people stay unemployed is that they get more from unemployment and they would working 60 hours a week at low paying job. When their unemployment runs out, then they go and get two crappy jobs to make ends meet.

[Nismo]

Alot of those jobs you see in the paper are general employment or entry level type jobs and if you have alot of education and work expierence, they'll turn you down for not being able to afford your salary. I know a guy that got turned down for pizza maker at dominos due to his previous career as a hahahahahar.