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Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 07:56 PM

Ok...

People always say that programs that use third party billers such as ccbill/epoch/ibill can still shave webmasters.

How so? Programs that were shaving the rebills have been busted. So, how else can they shave and how can a webmaster go about finding this info out? Or is it set up so that there is no way that the webmaster promoting the program can find out and continuely gets screwed.

BradM · 03-28-2004, 07:57 PM

It's not shaving.
It's scrubbing. But they do it to protect themselves and our interests.

Processors CAN'T shave.

Liberty · 03-28-2004, 07:57 PM

3/10 transactions are shaved on accord of shotty tracking:Fact

chowda · 03-28-2004, 07:59 PM

gillette has a new feature.

3 blades for better shaving.

Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
It's not shaving.
It's scrubbing. But they do it to protect themselves and our interests.

Processors CAN'T shave.

I am not talking about scrubbing here. I am talking about shaving by the program owners. I have heard that there are features in the admin area of third party processors such as ccbill that make it so they can 'shave'. Not sure if it is true or not, but I would like to find out.

rip raster · 03-28-2004, 08:00 PM

I shave my balls

Sly_RJ · 03-28-2004, 08:01 PM

There are tons of ways to "shave". It depends on your definition. Everything from actual scripts that shave off sales and clicks, to faulty tours that lose traffic or tracking devices.

psyko514 · 03-28-2004, 08:01 PM

One way is through hosted galleries.

A sponsor could use a script to occasionally strip out your ref code.

They could strip out the code after every 20 clicks or randomly throught out the day, for example. They could set up the script so that the code stays there for the first 5000 views, and then takes out your ref code every 20 clicks.

BradM · 03-28-2004, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Makingcoin

I am not talking about scrubbing here. I am talking about shaving by the program owners. I have heard that there are features in the admin area of third party processors such as ccbill that make it so they can 'shave'. Not sure if it is true or not, but I would like to find out.

I've been inside 2 ccbill backends. I've never seen a feature to shave in any way shape or form.

Ic3m4nZ · 03-28-2004, 08:02 PM

You can say that IBill and CCBill without a doubt are way more honest than almost all the sponsors out there.

Va2k · 03-28-2004, 08:03 PM

TheSenator · 03-28-2004, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
There are tons of ways to "shave". It depends on your definition. Everything from actual scripts that shave off sales and clicks, to faulty tours that lose traffic or tracking devices.

I think faulty tours are a big one...but they are easy to spot.

BradM · 03-28-2004, 08:04 PM

chowda · 03-28-2004, 08:05 PM

in my opinion, if ibill did a 1 time 1% shave on their 720million processing for other sites, their debt would be relieved.

Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
You can say that IBill and CCBill without a doubt are way more honest than almost all the sponsors out there.

Fair enough, but I want to know if there is a feature inside the admin areas of ccbill etc.. that make is so the program owners can 'shave' the webmasters sales. They obviously won't have a admin area that allows you to enter ___% to shave. But supposedly there are other way that they can do it. This is what I am trying to figure out.

Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by TheSenator

I think faulty tours are a big one...but they are easy to spot.

Can you show us an example of a a faulty tour?

Shortbread · 03-28-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by rip raster
I shave my balls

Good, cause they are way too hairy!

Illicit · 03-28-2004, 08:08 PM

if your ref code doesnt make it to ccbill how can they give you credit

How that would ever happen, i dont know

zigx · 03-28-2004, 08:12 PM

someone needs to hax0r away and find out.

Matt 26z · 03-28-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
A sponsor could use a script to occasionally strip out your ref code.

There's already documented evidence of something similar with Soul Cash from last year, but their explanation was that a hacker modified scripts to funnel traffic into his account...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=146774

http · 03-28-2004, 08:26 PM

The majority of "shaving" as in losing sales is "accidental" or by terms (listed or not) I believe, i.e. with traffic leaks on the tour, sale counts only if member stays for so and so long, counting germany and netherland as non-billable third world countries and redirecting them, etc. etc.

Shaze · 03-28-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Makingcoin

Fair enough, but I want to know if there is a feature inside the admin areas of ccbill etc.. that make is so the program owners can 'shave' the webmasters sales. They obviously won't have a admin area that allows you to enter ___% to shave. But supposedly there are other way that they can do it. This is what I am trying to figure out.

i've used CCBill before for some payment processing...there is no shaving features.

Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shaze

i've used CCBill before for some payment processing...there is no shaving features.

Good to hear. Now if others can back up your statement webmasters wouldn't be so skeptical of third party processors.

BigFrog · 03-28-2004, 10:06 PM

in the ccbill admin you can set a percentage for each referred sale to go to the referrer....you can modify that individually if you want.
the referrer can see this and know what percentage they are set at when they log in.

however, there is no such thing as a shave feature in the admin.

Sosa · 03-28-2004, 10:08 PM

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Makingcoin · 03-28-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sosa
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Kevin2 · 03-28-2004, 10:12 PM

There is no shaving feature within the webmasters admin area of CCbill.

Shoplifter · 03-28-2004, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Makingcoin
Ok...

People always say that programs that use third party billers such as ccbill/epoch/ibill can still shave webmasters.

How so? Programs that were shaving the rebills have been busted. So, how else can they shave and how can a webmaster go about finding this info out? Or is it set up so that there is no way that the webmaster promoting the program can find out and continuely gets screwed.

Easy. Do a cron job to change the SU page to not include the ref codes for 10% of the time. Seen it myself.

Shaze · 03-28-2004, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Makingcoin

Good to hear. Now if others can back up your statement webmasters wouldn't be so skeptical of third party processors.

I noticed I convert like crazy using programs with third party processors compared to sites that use their own affiliate programs. I have no proof about shaving but it's been like that for 3 years so in my mind I've always felt alot of programs shave.

psyko514 · 03-28-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter

Easy. Do a cron job to change the SU page to not include the ref codes for 10% of the time. Seen it myself.

Yeah, that's pretty much the same as the hosted gallery way I mentione earlier. But this one affects everyone.

HeebyJeeby · 03-28-2004, 11:24 PM

I've used CCBill and IBill for sites in the past. The only thing close to a setting available for shaving is the ability to limit the number of rebills affiliates can collect.

IE, Affiliates only get credit for first rebill and none after that.

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	It's not shaving. It's scrubbing. But they do it to protect themselves and our interests. Processors CAN'T shave.

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chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	in my opinion, if ibill did a 1 time 1% shave on their 720million processing for other sites, their debt would be relieved. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

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http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	The majority of "shaving" as in losing sales is "accidental" or by terms (listed or not) I believe, i.e. with traffic leaks on the tour, sale counts only if member stays for so and so long, counting germany and netherland as non-billable third world countries and redirecting them, etc. etc.

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BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	in the ccbill admin you can set a percentage for each referred sale to go to the referrer....you can modify that individually if you want. the referrer can see this and know what percentage they are set at when they log in. however, there is no such thing as a shave feature in the admin.

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