No trials and volume pricing??? - GoFuckYourself.com

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 06:37 PM

We are seriously considering eliminating 3 day trials. If a surfer wants a trial, he should just take a look at all our hosted galleries at http://www.barely19.com --- they know what they will get inside the members area.

Also, now that we have 30 sites, we are experimenting with volume pricing -- with discounts given for joining more than one site, like this:

1) 19.95 one site monthly ($20.00 each)
2) 24.95 two sites monthly ($12.50 each)
3) 29.95 three sites monthly ($10.00 each)
4) 34.95 five sites monthly ($7.00 each)
5) 39.95 10 sites monthly ($4.00 each)

Please discuss, I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Steve Lightspeed

fatal attraction · 03-25-2004, 06:47 PM

Nice! Biggie size your porn!

pornstar2pac · 03-25-2004, 06:51 PM

just make them all $9.99 each a month.

No breaks, no cuts, just $9,99 a month.

Paul -C- · 03-25-2004, 06:51 PM

It's an interesting idea!

WiredGuy · 03-25-2004, 06:53 PM

I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

WG

zentz · 03-25-2004, 06:54 PM

i agree that the idea is nice but...

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
just make them all $9.99 each a month.

No breaks, no cuts, just $9,99 a month.

Notice the average price would be $10/site -- but wouldn't you rather lock in 3 sales at once if you could?

Paparazzi · 03-25-2004, 06:59 PM

Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever

and keep the 3 day trial

JFK · 03-25-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

Notice the average price would be $10/site -- but wouldn't you rather lock in 3 sales at once if you could?

Yup, getting that commitment would be a good thing

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:01 PM

Btw, I failed to mention that they could re-select their sites after each rebill, to add even more to the retention.

sweetums · 03-25-2004, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

WG

Very interesting idea....especially giving the member the ability to mix different sites into the bag at rebill

However, WG's made a good point here. That join option may work best with traffic coming in via TGPs, but might not convert as well on other sources of traffic where surfers don't have the benefit of seeing the full line up via the hosted galleries.

grumpy · 03-25-2004, 07:06 PM

i charge 49.99 a month. No prob, they still pay and my chargebacks whent down :-)

TinaBallina · 03-25-2004, 07:06 PM

Hmmm, it is a nice thought, Charles however does know what he is talking about so I would consider his thoughts too.

You're thinking Steve, you're thinking my friend.............xo

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweetums

Very interesting idea....especially giving the member the ability to mix different sites into the bag at rebill

However, WG's made a good point here. That join option may work best with traffic coming in via TGPs, but might not convert as well on other sources of traffic where surfers don't have the benefit of seeing the full line up via the hosted galleries.

so we mention on the join page, "need to see more samples before deciding?" and send them over to barely19

JFK · 03-25-2004, 07:16 PM

Will you be having this on the join page as well ?

1) 19.95 one site monthly ($20.00 each)
2) 24.95 two sites monthly ($12.50 each)
3) 29.95 three sites monthly ($10.00 each)
4) 34.95 five sites monthly ($7.00 each)
5) 39.95 10 sites monthly ($4.00 each)

perhaps insert "for Only" $ 12.50 each make is sound more like a bargain

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:27 PM

of course, just like Costco makes you think its a great idea to buy five gallons of vegetable oil, or 200 pounds of dogfood, or 50 rolls of toilet paper....

baddog · 03-25-2004, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
and keep the 3 day trial

that was my thought too

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog

that was my thought too

My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"

Nobody Specific · 03-25-2004, 07:40 PM

I think those prices are reasonable for amateur sites. On our own sites, we used to not offer trials at all. Catch em for a full month and they should stay to see the next update, am sites have a lot more personality than others.

Oracle Porn · 03-25-2004, 07:42 PM

no trials on revshare programs is the best!
40 bux for 10 sites is kinda expensive for my opinion....

ohh and trials should only be on exit....if he is not interested atleast I can make $2 from him via trial.

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
no trials on revshare programs is the best!
40 bux for 10 sites is kinda expensive for my opinion....

ohh and trials should only be on exit....if he is not interested atleast I can make $2 from him via trial.

If $40 is too expensive, that's where the other price points might pick up some extra sales, right? I think that volume pricing is something that most average consumers understand pretty well.

baddog · 03-25-2004, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"

you can't track their CC number? IP? I know I can't even do test signups with SPP because they know my CC number.

Ray@TastyDollars · 03-25-2004, 07:51 PM

Give trial members limited access. Conversions to full will go up min. 10%.

peace

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog

you can't track their CC number? IP? I know I can't even do test signups with SPP because they know my CC number.

3rd party billers don't pass thru the cc number to anyone

Axeman · 03-25-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

My problem with trials is people come back time and time again, just for the most recent updates.

I'd love to say "sorry buddy, you HAD a trial!"

See that would be ideal. Have a script or something that basically says we are glad to you as a member but our records indicate that you already took advantage of our trial membership. As per our terms we allow one trial per site per person. Or something like that. Or offer them a monthly rate at a return visitor discount or something.

The logistics of this would be tricky but could be great.

- Brent Axford

studio · 03-25-2004, 07:52 PM

Hi,

I would agree with shit canning the trials... As for the lowering of pricing.... Call it what you want... But it comes down to lowering prices... I feel that only say one thing to the consumers, Hay this is what our product is worth! If I was looking to join a paysite, I wouldn't join one offering a big discount like that. If I was going to take that step up to paying for porn, I would opt for a site that offered exclusive content and a lot of up dates. IMHO all these kind of Deals will only push the paysite end of the industry into the same boat the content providers got them selfs into by cutting prices... Is there knowone in this business that wants to make money?

Denny,

http://www.pineapplepink.com

Jay_StandAhead · 03-25-2004, 07:53 PM

I like this idea. In the long run it would probably make your webmasters more money.

If you had a 60% trial conversion ratio, that'd be another story

Jay_StandAhead · 03-25-2004, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axeman

See that would be ideal. Have a script or something that basically says we are glad to you as a member but our records indicate that you already took advantage of our trial membership. As per our terms we allow one trial per site per person. Or something like that. Or offer them a monthly rate at a return visitor discount or something.

The logistics of this would be tricky but could be great.

- Brent Axford

It's actually ridiculously easy to do.

maxjohan · 03-25-2004, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
and keep the 3 day trial

you forgot one thing... weekly updates

Paparazzi · 03-25-2004, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
Give trial members limited access. Conversions to full will go up min. 10%.

peace

BAD idea. This will just piss them off and cancel right away...

TheDoc · 03-25-2004, 07:58 PM

The idea is nice, and it may work.. I would try it on a lesser site for a short while and see if it works out though.

TheDoc · 03-25-2004, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
BAD idea. This will just piss them off and cancel right away...

Na, it makes conversions go up 10% at least and saves you on bw cost of leaching trial members.

studio · 03-25-2004, 08:02 PM

Hay I know...

Make the regular subscription 3 months at 59.95 and the One month trial sub. 29.95

No that is an Idea...

denny,

http://www.pineapplepink.com

NatNetMatt · 03-25-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright.

WG

WG, I think you've hit the nail on the head!! Steve, I agree with Charles, keep the trials on the exits.

As for volume pricing, I think the Costco example works, give value to the masses!! Its a great way to turn a $29 sale into a $39 sale.

Steve, this is an excellent, thought provoking thread and makes people stop and think through a big issue in today's biz.

Matt

pornoshare · 03-25-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

3rd party billers don't pass thru the cc number to anyone

Its really not that difficult at all, you have numerous other info available to track them on. cookies, email, address, phone etc. You will find that most people surf from the same machine and are too dumb to delete their cookies ever. If they get past that you can test them on email address, address, phone etc. Obviously this can be defeated but the number of people that actually go to the effort will be very few.

TweetyBird · 03-25-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
and keep the 3 day trial

yep

angelsofporn · 03-25-2004, 08:07 PM

we killed trials a couple weeks ago and it was the best thing i ever did

Paparazzi · 03-25-2004, 08:09 PM

I once saw a really hot girl and I wanted to see more of her so I decided to take a trial on the site. Didn't get to see her because of that bullshit limited accesss... Just got pissed off and canceled the trial within 5min.

studio · 03-25-2004, 08:10 PM

No trials on Pineapplepink we know what our girls are worth...

Denny,

http://www.pineapplepink.com

http://www.pineapplecash.com

Nobody Specific · 03-25-2004, 08:10 PM

I'm pretty sure Jettis blocks people after they buy trials. Not sure how long, 30 days, 60 days?

Paparazzi · 03-25-2004, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Make it 29.95/month for access to ALL sites...members will stay forever
and keep the 3 day trial

just a clarification, the trial would be on the exit from the signup form and NOT on the actual signup page

Kimmykim · 03-25-2004, 08:15 PM

Marketed right to the surfers, I like the idea.

angelsofporn · 03-25-2004, 08:17 PM

we are actually raising our prices..not the other way

studio · 03-25-2004, 08:22 PM

Hi Angels of Porn...

Refreshing to see some still have a business sence, instead of a Santa suit....

Denny

http://www.pineapplepink.com

http://www.pineapplecash.com

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by angelsofporn
we are actually raising our prices..not the other way

I don't see this as "lowering prices" -- we already offer 5 sites for 34.95 and 10 sites for 39.95

This would just give more options to the cost-conscious surfer

The less expensive options are effectively RAISING the prices per site

Sly_RJ · 03-25-2004, 08:25 PM

I would still like to see what happens with trials on an exit from the join page, but other than that I'm very happy that we don't offer trials. The affiliates asked, we answered, and they were right.

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I would still like to see what happens with trials on an exit from the join page, but other than that I'm very happy that we don't offer trials. The affiliates asked, we answered, and they were right.

when we moved trials from the main join page to a popup, we saw a 40% increase in revenue overnight.

Sly_RJ · 03-25-2004, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

when we moved trials from the main join page to a popup, we saw a 40% increase in revenue overnight.

No shit? I'm going to set it up on one of my test tours and see how it goes. Now I'm really curious.

SteveLightspeed · 03-25-2004, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

No shit? I'm going to set it up on one of my test tours and see how it goes. Now I'm really curious.

Just make sure not to show the trial AFTER he takes the full join, or you get some PISSED OFF surfers!

nastyking · 03-25-2004, 09:13 PM

trials on exist

03-25-2004, 06:37 PM	#1
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	No trials and volume pricing??? We are seriously considering eliminating 3 day trials. If a surfer wants a trial, he should just take a look at all our hosted galleries at http://www.barely19.com --- they know what they will get inside the members area. Also, now that we have 30 sites, we are experimenting with volume pricing -- with discounts given for joining more than one site, like this: 1) 19.95 one site monthly ($20.00 each) 2) 24.95 two sites monthly ($12.50 each) 3) 29.95 three sites monthly ($10.00 each) 4) 34.95 five sites monthly ($7.00 each) 5) 39.95 10 sites monthly ($4.00 each) Please discuss, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 03-25-2004 at 06:39 PM..

03-25-2004, 06:51 PM	#3
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03-25-2004, 06:53 PM	#5
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	I wouldn't eliminate a trial entirely since it does rather well on exits. Remember a surfer may have visited your site from one of your sites and has no idea about barely19. If anything, consider putting it as a last exit to entice the surfer but don't eliminate trials outright. WG __________________ I play with Google.

03-25-2004, 06:54 PM	#6
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03-25-2004, 06:59 PM	#8
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03-25-2004, 06:47 PM	#2
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03-25-2004, 06:51 PM	#4
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03-25-2004, 07:01 PM	#10
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03-25-2004, 07:06 PM	#12
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03-25-2004, 07:06 PM	#13
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03-25-2004, 07:16 PM	#15
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03-25-2004, 07:27 PM	#16
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03-25-2004, 07:40 PM	#19
Nobody Specific Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 319	I think those prices are reasonable for amateur sites. On our own sites, we used to not offer trials at all. Catch em for a full month and they should stay to see the next update, am sites have a lot more personality than others.

03-25-2004, 07:42 PM	#20
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	no trials on revshare programs is the best! 40 bux for 10 sites is kinda expensive for my opinion.... ohh and trials should only be on exit....if he is not interested atleast I can make $2 from him via trial. __________________

03-25-2004, 07:51 PM	#23
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Give trial members limited access. Conversions to full will go up min. 10%. peace __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

03-25-2004, 07:52 PM	#26
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	Hi, I would agree with shit canning the trials... As for the lowering of pricing.... Call it what you want... But it comes down to lowering prices... I feel that only say one thing to the consumers, Hay this is what our product is worth! If I was looking to join a paysite, I wouldn't join one offering a big discount like that. If I was going to take that step up to paying for porn, I would opt for a site that offered exclusive content and a lot of up dates. IMHO all these kind of Deals will only push the paysite end of the industry into the same boat the content providers got them selfs into by cutting prices... Is there knowone in this business that wants to make money? Denny, http://www.pineapplepink.com

03-25-2004, 07:53 PM	#27
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03-25-2004, 07:58 PM	#31
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03-25-2004, 08:02 PM	#33
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	Hay I know... Make the regular subscription 3 months at 59.95 and the One month trial sub. 29.95 No that is an Idea... denny, http://www.pineapplepink.com

03-25-2004, 08:07 PM	#37
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	we killed trials a couple weeks ago and it was the best thing i ever did

03-25-2004, 08:09 PM	#38
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	I once saw a really hot girl and I wanted to see more of her so I decided to take a trial on the site. Didn't get to see her because of that bullshit limited accesss... Just got pissed off and canceled the trial within 5min. __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

03-25-2004, 08:10 PM	#39
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	No trials on Pineapplepink we know what our girls are worth... Denny, http://www.pineapplepink.com http://www.pineapplecash.com

03-25-2004, 08:15 PM	#42
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Marketed right to the surfers, I like the idea.

03-25-2004, 08:17 PM	#43
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	we are actually raising our prices..not the other way

03-25-2004, 08:22 PM	#44
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	Hi Angels of Porn... Refreshing to see some still have a business sence, instead of a Santa suit.... Denny http://www.pineapplepink.com http://www.pineapplecash.com

03-25-2004, 08:25 PM	#46
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I would still like to see what happens with trials on an exit from the join page, but other than that I'm very happy that we don't offer trials. The affiliates asked, we answered, and they were right. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

03-25-2004, 09:13 PM	#50
nastyking Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,174	trials on exist __________________