Who Gives a Fuck about Tortured Iraqis!

[davethetruth]

Who cares if US military is torturing some Iraqis by walking them like dogs on leashes and getting them naked?

It doesn't seems that bad to me, it is war!


They're at a loss as to how to tame these fucking animals.


Remeber this?

http://www.oxnard-journal.com/sunni.htm

In my opinion they've got to get even tougher or get the fuck out!

[KRL]

I give a fuck as do the vast majority of Americans. We're paying the $200 Billion bill for this ass clown war.

This is not how the US Military is supposed to operate or conduct itself.

As the leader of the free world we are expected to set a positive example for others. Not have our military commit atrocious acts on POW's.

[justsexxx]

This shows how stupid some people are....

Again, mister Bush, the president of peace invated Iraq to FREE this country, and bring freedom and justice to this country, without torture etc, like sadam did...

And now they are doing the same....But you like it..Oh well, due this fact some more US Soldiers will be killed...But hey you like it

Andre

[Corleone]

we've to give a fuck.. else we'll end back in '45


did you gave a fuck?



it was war

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by justsexxx
This shows how stupid some people are....

Again, mister Bush, the president of peace invated Iraq to FREE this country, and bring freedom and justice to this country, without torture etc, like sadam did...

And now they are doing the same....But you like it..Oh well, due this fact some more US Soldiers will be killed...But hey you like it

Andre

I would hardly equate the torture of prisoners in those photo's to torture inflicted by Saddams regime, the pictures are shocking - but not like what saddam did.

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by justsexxx
This shows how stupid some people are....

Again, mister Bush, the president of peace invated Iraq to FREE this country, and bring freedom and justice to this country, without torture etc, like sadam did...

And now they are doing the same....But you like it..Oh well, due this fact some more US Soldiers will be killed...But hey you like it

Andre

There's no other choice. It sucks that they've sunk down to the Iraqi level, but it's a last resort.

[Goose]

Originally posted by KRL
I give a fuck as do the vast majority of Americans. We're paying the $200 Billion bill for this ass clown war.

This is not how the US Military is supposed to operate or conduct itself.

As the leader of the free world we are expected to set a positive example for others. Not have our military commit atrocious acts on POW's.

This is the one and only oppinion that counts! And it is the right one...I totally agree with you KRL!

[davethetruth]

Oh fuckin no... they got a few POW naked, oowww.


Big fucking deal!

[KRL]

Originally posted by xenophobic
I would hardly equate the torture of prisoners in those photo's to torture inflicted by Saddams regime, the pictures are shocking - but not like what saddam did.

Wake up. This is what got out. There are POW's that were killed also and some that are missing and not accounted for.

Even if one was killed under extreme interrogation it is not acceptable.

That is not what this country's principals are based on.

[emmanuelle]

Originally posted by davethetruth



In my opinion they've got to get even tougher or get the fuck out!

Then get out!
btw- ever hear of something called the Geneva convention?

[KRL]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Oh fuckin no... they got a few POW naked, oowww.


Big fucking deal!

If it was someone you cared about and they were POW's of another country being abused, I don't think you'd have this attitude.

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by Goose
This is the one and only oppinion that counts! And it is the right one...I totally agree with you KRL!

You care more about some Iraqis then your own family and friends?

[xenophobic]

being naked is not even the problem, it's the simulated sex acts, the beating and the threats of electrocution, and degrading, humilitation being wrought on prisoners (not all of them are P.O.W's either!) by american soldiers.

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by KRL
If it was someone you cared about and they were POW's of another country being abused, I don't think you'd have this attitude.

Let me just get this str8:

I don't agree with this war!

I don't agree with Bush!

I'll be voting democrat this November!


The point here is if they have to do this to end this horrible fucking war then who gives a fuck!

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by KRL
Wake up. This is what got out. There are POW's that were killed also and some that are missing and not accounted for.

Even if one was killed under extreme interrogation it is not acceptable.

That is not what this country's principals are based on.

Can you name one single person unaccounted for or missing? or even anyone confirmed to have been tortured to death? or are you going on the assumption of the media that soldiers claim to have seen bodies taken out without identification?

[stev0]

Originally posted by davethetruth
There's no other choice. It sucks that they've sunk down to the Iraqi level, but it's a last resort.

Oh man, either you're just brainwashed by the American media or just ignorant... what did those Iraqi people ever do besides try to defend their own country against an occupying force?

There were no weapons of mass destruction... this isn't a war, it's a political fraud.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Oh fuckin no... they got a few POW naked, oowww.


Big fucking deal!

The mentality of the right wing never ceases to amaze me.

[stev0]

Originally posted by davethetruth
You care more about some Iraqis then your own family and friends?

what the hell man, Iraqi's are people too... you and I are no better than any one of them.

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
The mentality of the right wing never ceases to amaze me.

This was a US civilian:




This is an opposition soldier:

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Oh fuckin no... they got a few POW naked, oowww.


Big fucking deal!

If you think it's about the actual degradation metered out here you're a fool. It's about the effect this revelation is having on the hearts and minds both on the ground in Iraq, around the world and support for the war internally in America.
A real propaganda fuck up, sure sarcastically cry boo fucking hoo over the prisoners, but in your inane stance the very real concerns go straight over your head.
What if this and the continuing revelations of deaths is the straw that breaks the American public's back in terms of support for the war forcing a Vietnam style pullout? Then is this situation so silly?

How many flowers have the soldiers on the ground been greeted with this week?

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by stev0
what the hell man, Iraqi's are people too... you and I are no better than any one of them.

Except I'm not going around killing US and Iraqi civilians.

They're killing their own people with car bombs and shit everyday!

www.CNN.com

[undermyspell]

Originally posted by xenophobic
being naked is not even the problem, it's the simulated sex acts, the beating and the threats of electrocution, and degrading, humilitation being wrought on prisoners (not all of them are P.O.W's either!) by american soldiers.

I think that the sexually degrading pics you are referring to have been debunked as porn content...

Graphic photos appearing on Arabic websites of U.S. servicemen raping and sexually abusing Iraqi women were actually taken from American and Hungarian pornography sites.



Story

[Abyss_Vee]

The people of iraq were living peacfully day by day. America went in a turned their country upside down.. basically demolished it.. people dont have homes anymore. they have nothing.. no jobs no food no homes.. families missing...... thats worse then them torturing a few iraqis, they are doing these little things so people dont focus on the whole picture.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by davethetruth
This was a US civilian:




This is an opposition soldier:

I hate to burst your bubble, and I agree it is sad, but the elements of the convoy were ex-special forces, hired for their abilities, one of which, scott helveston (combat missions TV) was a former navy seal with 10 years of experience in combat, not just average joe.

[stev0]

don't forget who attacked who...

And Americans are responsible for an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civillian deaths in this war. The 800 US soldiers killed is nothing compared to that.

Funny how attacking a soverign nation can breed hatred.

[fucking whore]

Q)how do you teach a dog to fetch a ball?

A)you show it.


Q)how do you teach an animal to act humane when its grown up in an inhumane world?


A)you torture it and you will be tortured, you kick sn you will be kicked be kicked, you shoot it and it will shoot back.

wake up dickheads

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by davethetruth
This was a US civilian:

No. That was a former US Marine in Iraq as Blackwater Mercenary for hire. Profitting from the war by getting paid a shitload of cash as hired muscle.

Can you really blame them for not differentiating from one group of "invaders" with guns and another group of "invaders" with guns?

Nobody can condone the animalistic brutality of their actions.. but don't think we're so blind as to think he was a soccer dad civilian minding his own business.

[onno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Who cares if US military is torturing some Iraqis by walking them like dogs on leashes and getting them naked?

It doesn't seems that bad to me, it is war!


They're at a loss as to how to tame these fucking animals.


Remeber this?

http://www.oxnard-journal.com/sunni.htm

In my opinion they've got to get even tougher or get the fuck out!

who is your idol???
Hitler?

this is war, no... then, let's go with H bonb, not?

sorry, but thisd is for you

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
No. That was a former US Marine in Iraq as Blackwater Mercenary for hire. Profitting from the war by getting paid a shitload of cash as hired muscle.

Can you really blame them for not differentiating from one group of "invaders" with guns and another group of "invaders" with guns?

Nobody can condone the animalistic brutality of their actions.. but don't think we're so blind as to think he was a soccer dad civilian minding his own business.

oh - so they deserved to be burnt to death in a SUV then, nice rational.

The security groups are people too, with families and bills to pay just like everyone else - they have spent years in the military and special forces, and have the opputunity to use that experience to pay their bills, however they know the risk.

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by onno
who is your idol???
Hitler?

this is war, no... then, let's go with H bonb, not?

sorry, but thisd is for you

How could you compare what our military has been accused of doing to Iraqis with the actions of hitler?

[uno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
You care more about some Iraqis then your own family and friends?

How do our family and friends figure into it?

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by undermyspell
I think that the sexually degrading pics you are referring to have been debunked as porn content...

Graphic photos appearing on Arabic websites of U.S. servicemen raping and sexually abusing Iraqi women were actually taken from American and Hungarian pornography sites.



Story

no, I am talking about the naked pyramids of Iraqi's, the simulated blowjobs the prisoners have been posed in, and the female making fun of iraqi prisoners penis's.

[uno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Let me just get this str8:

I don't agree with this war!

I don't agree with Bush!

I'll be voting democrat this November!


The point here is if they have to do this to end this horrible fucking war then who gives a fuck!

How do you take the leap of logic that taking pictures of naked prisoners performing sex acts will some how end the war?

[uno]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Can you name one single person unaccounted for or missing? or even anyone confirmed to have been tortured to death? or are you going on the assumption of the media that soldiers claim to have seen bodies taken out without identification?

I think the 14+ deaths while under custody and/or interrogation investigations say differently with at least 2 readily confirmed homicides.

[jayeff]

This little adventure could have been presented to the public as "we want their oil and we are going to grind them into submission to get it". What would you guess? We have 20% or 30% conscienceless neanderthals who would have supported it?

It may be easy to fool the American public for a while, but I believe that the majority of the invasion's supporters sincerely felt that the US was on the moral high ground. That was after all, what they were being told.

Not only isn't it surprising then that many are disgusted by the way some troops have behaved, but it is also reassuring. Could a country really be a source of pride if its people condoned this kind of behaviour?

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by onno
who is your idol???
Hitler?

this is war, no... then, let's go with H bonb, not?

sorry, but thisd is for you

I've seen first hand, people in this industry humilliate tallent pretty bad, I just find the political views on this board amazing.

[uno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Except I'm not going around killing US and Iraqi civilians.

They're killing their own people with car bombs and shit everyday!

www.CNN.com

Perhaps you didn't know that we invaded their country and the individual factions in the country have been at some state of civil war for centuries.

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by davethetruth
Oh fuckin no... they got a few POW naked, oowww.


Big fucking deal!

Well when it was an US soldier, every mother in USA would cry and come to Opera to talk about it....

Oh well, just torture more ppl, and some more soldiers will be killed...

Vietnam part 2, ohh yeah, that's what Bush wants

Andre

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by xenophobic
oh - so they deserved to be burnt to death in a SUV then, nice rational.

The security groups are people too, with families and bills to pay just like everyone else - they have spent years in the military and special forces, and have the opputunity to use that experience to pay their bills, however they know the risk.

Mate, If you go to Iraq, not even to "defend your country" but as a soldier for hire that gets paid 4 times what soldiers get paid, then I don't have a lot of sympathy for you if you get killed.
He didn't deserve to get burned to death, BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT GOING INTO A WARZONE FOR MONEY?

Most soldiers don't have the option of choosing to go, these guys did, it's like a human shield, A human shield goes to Iraq during shock and awe and I'm supposed to feel especially sorry for her when she dies? Fuck no. Is it a bad thing? Yes. Sure she didn't DESERVE to die, but fuck, don't play russian roulette and then come whinging to me for sympathy when you give yourself a labotomy.

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by davethetruth
There's no other choice. It sucks that they've sunk down to the Iraqi level, but it's a last resort.

Another fool brainwashed. lol. Next step is buring those ppl, and hang them? Or is that to far?

[onno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
How could you compare what our military has been accused of doing to Iraqis with the actions of hitler?

I'm not comparing your millitary, sorry if you understant that.

I have not agains your soldiers, they do what your politics want.

i mean that torturing is a crime! doesn't matter if who do it... Hitler, Iraquis, US soldiers... if they toture they are same shit

[TheFrog]

Originally posted by Corleone


we've to give a fuck.. else we'll end back in '45


did you gave a fuck?



it was war

so true

[uno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
I've seen first hand, people in this industry humilliate tallent pretty bad, I just find the political views on this board amazing.

last time i checked content were willing, paid participants.

[davethetruth]

I have another question for people.

Where's the oil evidence? I always here about the oil, but I've never seen any evidence. If the US was stealing the Iraqi oil wouldn't any US journalist like to be the first to break this story?

It seems like the public doen't know what is really going on, but people keep dying.

This sucks.

[uno]

Originally posted by davethetruth
I have another question for people.

Where's the oil evidence? I always here about the oil, but I've never seen any evidence. If the US was stealing the Iraqi oil wouldn't any US journalist like to be the first to break this story?

It seems like the public doen't know what is really going on, but people keep dying.

This sucks.

No-bid contracts.

[psyko514]

*sigh*

sheep.

[johnbosh]

its just sick and totaly not right

[davethetruth]

Originally posted by onno
I'm not comparing your millitary, sorry if you understant that.

I have not agains your soldiers, they do what your politics want.

i mean that torturing is a crime! doesn't matter if who do it... Hitler, Iraquis, US soldiers... if they toture they are same shit

I agree. Torture is bad. I put torture and rape on the same level as murder because I feel it ends the victim's life as they knew it. It's a matter of torturing a few to save thousands of lives.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by uno
I think the 14+ deaths while under custody and/or interrogation investigations say differently with at least 2 readily confirmed homicides.

just because something is labeled homicide does not mean that person was killed in cold blood, even when people are shot by the police under justifiable situations, it is listed as homicide by the coroner. I'm not saying you are not correct - but let's wait on the "facts" of prisoners tortured to death e.g paperwork and d ocuments available before jumping on the bandwagon, in fact I remember listening on the news to one of the soldiers accused of taking part in the pictures talking about prisoners who "died" in custody - hardly a source I would trust.

[uno]

Originally posted by xenophobic
just because something is labeled homicide does not mean that person was killed in cold blood, even when people are shot by the police under justifiable situations, it is listed as homicide by the coroner. I'm not saying you are not correct - but let's wait on the "facts" of prisoners tortured to death e.g paperwork and d ocuments available before jumping on the bandwagon, in fact I remember listening on the news to one of the soldiers accused of taking part in the pictures talking about prisoners who "died" in custody - hardly a source I would trust.

Fair enough.