Some big trading TGPs these days make me wonder..... - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 07:47 PM

ever done the math on some of the big trading TGPs out there.

I'm not going to name names here, but lets think about it.

There's SEVRERAL large trading TGPs out there today that will send any good site 3 or 4 hits for every one they get in - some even send more. Ok, that's fine on a good trade, but some of these guys are doing that on MOST EVERY TRADE they have.

ok, send out 3X what I get in. if the site is mostly trades I'm left asking - how exactly does this site do this MAGICAL TRADE? If I pay $3 for every $1 I take in, my business won't last very long unless I'm printing counterfit money in the back room to padd the evenlopes going out.

cough cough hitbit cough cough

tbabe · 03-17-2004, 07:48 PM

well, have you seen their complete trading stats?

Oracle Porn · 03-17-2004, 07:49 PM

its not about the quantity its about the quality

Ill give you 3 NIS for 1 USD

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbabe
well, have you seen their complete trading stats?

idiot

widget · 03-17-2004, 07:50 PM

Traffic coming in is more productive than traffic going out.

Ross · 03-17-2004, 07:50 PM

Sure does make you wonder. But I guess bookmarkers could be an important factor in how they are doing it, assuming it is all above board.

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
its not about the quantity its about the quality

Ill give you 3 NIS for 1 USD

you missed the point completely. you still have to have the NIS in the first place to do a REAL trade...

Martin · 03-17-2004, 07:51 PM

I've seen this over the last few years.

tbabe · 03-17-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

idiot

Ok, but my point was, are you sure they are sending 3 to 1 to every trade? If so, then i see your point, but if your not sure, maybe they arent.

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by widget
Traffic coming in is more productive than traffic going out.

once again - it doesn't add up without something FAKE in there

Dildozer · 03-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

idiot

Tbabe is a postwhoring slut. The more people ignore her, the faster she.ll get back working at hooters

Oracle Porn · 03-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

you missed the point completely. you still have to have the NIS in the first place to do a REAL trade...

Maybe some other trades give him 10 RUB for 1 NIS?
You can never know.

Ross · 03-17-2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbabe

Ok, but my point was, are you sure they are sending 3 to 1 to every trade?

Yup I think he is. See here:

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There's SEVRERAL large trading TGPs out there today that will send any good site 3 or 4 hits for every one they get in - some even send more

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-17-2004, 07:55 PM

Alot of tGP traffic is Hit Bot crap.

juice · 03-17-2004, 07:58 PM

well.. maybe they're going for the bookmarks... and if most of their traffic is not from trades.. they can send more hits than they receive... They might also send you some cheap chinese traffic they get from Traffic Brokers..

Doctor Dre · 03-17-2004, 08:00 PM

Big trading tgps that get a lot of bookmarks like call-kelly are always oversending a LOT . Their bookmarkers just close the other windows most of the time . But the traffic comming in give them more bookmarks because the skimming is low

rowan · 03-17-2004, 08:02 PM

I can't remember whether I came up with the term, or my friend did... it refers to trades that oversend you heaps of traffic with really bad prod, in huge bursts

BLAST OF CRAP (BOC)

Some traffic brokers can also send you this type of traffic if you ask around.

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Big trading tgps that get a lot of bookmarks like call-kelly are always oversending a LOT . Their bookmarkers just close the other windows most of the time . But the traffic comming in give them more bookmarks because the skimming is low

i'm not talking about call-kelly - that site is real. some other's ARN'T

- Jesus Christ - · 03-17-2004, 08:03 PM

if your prductivity is over 300% overall (and usually much higher for bookmarkers) its very easty to do a 3:1 trade.... However Instead of Increasing the outbound traffic I usually just decrease the skim. a good mass of bookmarkers keep a site going. It also keeps the traffic more productive on the site your trading with....

Drawing the hitbot conclusion from an outgoing trade ratio is actually pretty stupid.

Still... theres TONS of hitbotters out there and they can seriously infect your trading traffic. When a good trade starts up you will usially see a boost in the conversion rate of your advertising becasue there are new surfers hitting your ads.

GSpotShawn · 03-17-2004, 08:04 PM

Granted a large portion of TGP traffic is hitbot proxy generated, but your example of paying $3 for every $1 isn't accurate. You can't compare something which is stable i.e. exchange of currency, to something that's going to fluxuant like the productivity of a surfer. You're not trading inanimate objects - you're trading potential customers who are *supposidly* actively clicking looking for a product.

I don't mean to lecter you on TGPs since you're already successful with them - but don't you think there is some natural explanation for the grooming of a surfer when he's on different sites?

What about the harvester sites which boast incredible productivity because they list 145 categories with thousands of galleries updated fresh in a simple barely advertised column. I think it's entirely possible for these type of sites to send 3x-4x more out traffic then in.

Juicy D. Links · 03-17-2004, 08:04 PM

FunForOne · 03-17-2004, 08:05 PM

I agree. My question for the traffic brokers and large tgp is why are they giving away traffic for us to send to sponsors. If it is real and at all valuable, why dont they send it to their sponsors??

Like and insurance agent buying leads from another insurance agent.

Juicy D. Links · 03-17-2004, 08:07 PM

Juicy D. Links · 03-17-2004, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FunForOne
I agree. My question for the traffic brokers and large tgp is why are they giving away traffic for us to send to sponsors. If it is real and at all valuable, why dont they send it to their sponsors??

Like and insurance agent buying leads from another insurance agent.

triumph · 03-17-2004, 08:10 PM

I'll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. I guess this belongs in this thread.

DaLord · 03-17-2004, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
ever done the math on some of the big trading TGPs out there.

I'm not going to name names here, but lets think about it.

There's SEVRERAL large trading TGPs out there today that will send any good site 3 or 4 hits for every one they get in - some even send more. Ok, that's fine on a good trade, but some of these guys are doing that on MOST EVERY TRADE they have.

ok, send out 3X what I get in. if the site is mostly trades I'm left asking - how exactly does this site do this MAGICAL TRADE? If I pay $3 for every $1 I take in, my business won't last very long unless I'm printing counterfit money in the back room to padd the evenlopes going out.

cough cough hitbit cough cough

Well a lot of them actually feed their site with loads of useless exit traffic day in and day out.
10k exit is $10 today so it's REALLY not hard to fill up a site already running.

Spunky · 03-17-2004, 08:15 PM

I'm confused on your statement...Any site that sends me proxy or hitbot shit gets picked up automatically by my script and won't get any hits back from me. I'm not sure how you are basing your conclusions on.

Quotealex · 03-17-2004, 08:22 PM

Perhaps it is because they are using screensaver traffic and agents or maybe they buying more traffic than they get from trades...

shaneFPS · 03-17-2004, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spunky1
I'm confused on your statement...Any site that sends me proxy or hitbot shit gets picked up automatically by my script and won't get any hits back from me. I'm not sure how you are basing your conclusions on.

I know alot of tgps out thier use UCJ and it has a great feature to spot proxy traffic. The problem is people don't update thier proxy list. They just use the stock list it comes with. If every tgp webmaster out thier kept a updated proxy list then thier would be alot less proxy/hitbot traffic passed around.

Shane

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 09:22 PM

the amount of IDIOTS on this thread totally blows me away.

you people are soooooooo fucking STUPID it's painful

some_idiot · 03-17-2004, 09:22 PM

I don't own any "big" TGPs, but my little 20k ones I regularly
feed with purchased traffic to keep things humming along.
I've got a broker I trust and his traffic consistantly gives a 20%
CTR. Between purchased and bookmarkers I can give a 2:1 on
productivity. ...and no it's not just throwing them away on a
trade, I got first crack at the sale. If I couldn't convert him, I'll
"trade" him for another chance.

Spunky · 03-17-2004, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
the amount of IDIOTS on this thread totally blows me away.

you people are soooooooo fucking STUPID it's painful

Typical response...nothing but speculation and bullshit. You haven't proved anything but call people names because you refuse to back up your statement because you have no proof...

cluck · 03-17-2004, 09:38 PM

A good amount is probably hitbot, but alot is probably just chinese or other garbage traffic.

Alot of it is probably bookmarkers too. I personally don't like TGP, but I set up a no skim TGP once and fed it some traffic. Ended up with about 300 bookmarkers but those bookmarkers had 700% productivity or so. I still figured it was too late to get into TGP but bookmarkers can do alot when you skim off 1 out of 5 galleries.

Furthermore I think it's in the interest of the TGP owner to have alot of in's coming from trades. When I buy a spot that's going to be on the TGP for a week, and probably 2 more weeks from the hall of fame, I want fresh traffic hitting the gallery, not the same freeloaders every day.

cluck · 03-17-2004, 09:40 PM

Also they send alot of hits out but the productivity on those sites usually suck. Imagine a crappy small TGP trading with some site like madthumbs. Noone's gonna keep surfing Joe Blow's Ass Crap FHG Pool with 50% skim when they have madthumbs. They're gonna click 15 more thumbs on there and 3 of those clicks are going to end up as dead hits on other TGP's.

Steve · 03-17-2004, 09:44 PM

want proof?

click my sig!

SleazyDream · 03-17-2004, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spunky1

Typical response...nothing but speculation and bullshit. You haven't proved anything but call people names because you refuse to back up your statement because you have no proof...

if i showed the proof the cheaters would find a new way to scam me. I don't ever show all my cards.

which is why you're at the head of the pack of the idiot herd

Doctor Dre · 03-17-2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

i'm not talking about call-kelly - that site is real. some other's ARN'T

Definitly . I don't have the facts to expose one of them but he sent 5000 hits with 350 % exact prod to his site with the domain in CAPSLOCK.COM. He's one of the top 10 ... The guy told me to not post about it and I don't have any proof about that so I can't start fucking arround but I'm sure there are a lot of hitbotting tgps.

Doctor Dre · 03-17-2004, 09:50 PM

BTW everybody :

Sleazy's trade traffic is tha shit !
he wrote me a good description when I had a trade with him . He wasn't sending me much . Like 2k per day . But this traffic was 3 times more productive then average . Him and sublime got the best traffic (zilla used too when I was his #1 trade a while back but it started sucking) .

grumpy · 03-17-2004, 09:54 PM

There are some funny guys in this thread. Good point Sleazy, i have asked myself the same.

Spunky · 03-17-2004, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

if i showed the proof the cheaters would find a new way to scam me. I don't ever show all my cards.

which is why you're at the head of the pack of the idiot herd

At least I'm ahead of something.It isn't rocket science..I can tell hitbot,proxy traffic within a very short time.Dump the trade ...end of story...claiming alot of the bigger TGP's are sending hitbot traffic really doesn't prove anything. Whatever it's useless trying to get a straight answer from you.

Steve · 03-17-2004, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
(zilla used too when I was his #1 trade a while back but it started sucking) .

Zilla's traffic doesn't "suck".

MuleScrote · 03-17-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
the amount of IDIOTS on this thread totally blows me away.

you people are soooooooo fucking STUPID it's painful

Allow me to join the club with my take on it....

Just last week I found a new trade in my stats that was sending in thousands of hits. Not only were the incoming uniques, but they were clicking like mad into my galleries and traffic trades. When I checked out this guys site, it was a popup hell and tried to install the XXXtoolbar several times. I can only image the relief a surfer feels when clicking into a clean tgp after being at a site like that. Needless to say, I'm not gonna send my visitors to such a trash site so I disabled the trade. Sites like this sign up for trades every couple of weeks and send traffic long after disabling the trade. With the extra traffic coming in, I am returning 545% to my trades on average right now. I'm sure it will eventually taper off, but I always average at least a 250% return to my trades.

4Pics · 03-17-2004, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

if i showed the proof the cheaters would find a new way to scam me. I don't ever show all my cards.

which is why you're at the head of the pack of the idiot herd

Does the site you are talking about start with a F ?

I'd love to know who you think it is if you care to share on icq.

slackologist · 03-17-2004, 10:04 PM

would not surprise me. selling hitbots is a business itself, there are obviously many that use them because they either did not get in early enough, are not smart enough or don't have the money to get what they want without faking it.

Doctor Dre · 03-17-2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve

Zilla's traffic doesn't "suck".

Nothing nearly what it used to be ...

Steve · 03-17-2004, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSpotShawn
What about the harvester sites which boast incredible productivity because they list 145 categories with thousands of galleries updated fresh in a simple barely advertised column. I think it's entirely possible for these type of sites to send 3x-4x more out traffic then in.

It is. The traffic from those sites to you might not be too hot, but your traffic's prod on that kind of site is pretty wicked.

SomeCreep · 03-17-2004, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
(zilla used too when I was his #1 trade a while back but it started sucking) .

Whats your site?

Axeman · 03-17-2004, 11:40 PM

lol it definitely could be true but without seeing full stats of their trade partners I wouldnt accuse anyone to quickly.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-17-2004, 11:48 PM

Ya know its near the end of times when TGP webmasters are squabbling over whose traffic sucks the most.

This thread is fucken hilarious!

Doctor Dre · 03-17-2004, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep

Whats your site?

Was schoolporn.net ... Sold everything releated to tgping back then . Teen tgps started really sucking anyways after that (same time that jenny quit too) . Changed business a lil bit

03-17-2004, 07:48 PM	#2
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SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Some big trading TGPs these days make me wonder..... ever done the math on some of the big trading TGPs out there. I'm not going to name names here, but lets think about it. There's SEVRERAL large trading TGPs out there today that will send any good site 3 or 4 hits for every one they get in - some even send more. Ok, that's fine on a good trade, but some of these guys are doing that on MOST EVERY TRADE they have. ok, send out 3X what I get in. if the site is mostly trades I'm left asking - how exactly does this site do this MAGICAL TRADE? If I pay $3 for every $1 I take in, my business won't last very long unless I'm printing counterfit money in the back room to padd the evenlopes going out. cough cough hitbit cough cough __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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widget Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: EST Posts: 222	Traffic coming in is more productive than traffic going out.

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Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	Sure does make you wonder. But I guess bookmarkers could be an important factor in how they are doing it, assuming it is all above board.

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juice Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 628	well.. maybe they're going for the bookmarks... and if most of their traffic is not from trades.. they can send more hits than they receive... They might also send you some cheap chinese traffic they get from Traffic Brokers..

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I can't remember whether I came up with the term, or my friend did... it refers to trades that oversend you heaps of traffic with really bad prod, in huge bursts BLAST OF CRAP (BOC) Some traffic brokers can also send you this type of traffic if you ask around.

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GSpotShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 389	Granted a large portion of TGP traffic is hitbot proxy generated, but your example of paying $3 for every $1 isn't accurate. You can't compare something which is stable i.e. exchange of currency, to something that's going to fluxuant like the productivity of a surfer. You're not trading inanimate objects - you're trading potential customers who are supposidly actively clicking looking for a product. I don't mean to lecter you on TGPs since you're already successful with them - but don't you think there is some natural explanation for the grooming of a surfer when he's on different sites? What about the harvester sites which boast incredible productivity because they list 145 categories with thousands of galleries updated fresh in a simple barely advertised column. I think it's entirely possible for these type of sites to send 3x-4x more out traffic then in. __________________ ICQ: 157711456 - AIM: ParentAIM GSpotmoney - Adult Dating

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FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	I agree. My question for the traffic brokers and large tgp is why are they giving away traffic for us to send to sponsors. If it is real and at all valuable, why dont they send it to their sponsors?? Like and insurance agent buying leads from another insurance agent.

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Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Perhaps it is because they are using screensaver traffic and agents or maybe they buying more traffic than they get from trades...

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SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	the amount of IDIOTS on this thread totally blows me away. you people are soooooooo fucking STUPID it's painful __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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some_idiot Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Doesn't matter, I'm not buying you another pint! Posts: 1,511	I don't own any "big" TGPs, but my little 20k ones I regularly feed with purchased traffic to keep things humming along. I've got a broker I trust and his traffic consistantly gives a 20% CTR. Between purchased and bookmarkers I can give a 2:1 on productivity. ...and no it's not just throwing them away on a trade, I got first crack at the sale. If I couldn't convert him, I'll "trade" him for another chance. __________________ This AVS pays my mortgage!

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cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	A good amount is probably hitbot, but alot is probably just chinese or other garbage traffic. Alot of it is probably bookmarkers too. I personally don't like TGP, but I set up a no skim TGP once and fed it some traffic. Ended up with about 300 bookmarkers but those bookmarkers had 700% productivity or so. I still figured it was too late to get into TGP but bookmarkers can do alot when you skim off 1 out of 5 galleries. Furthermore I think it's in the interest of the TGP owner to have alot of in's coming from trades. When I buy a spot that's going to be on the TGP for a week, and probably 2 more weeks from the hall of fame, I want fresh traffic hitting the gallery, not the same freeloaders every day. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

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cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	Also they send alot of hits out but the productivity on those sites usually suck. Imagine a crappy small TGP trading with some site like madthumbs. Noone's gonna keep surfing Joe Blow's Ass Crap FHG Pool with 50% skim when they have madthumbs. They're gonna click 15 more thumbs on there and 3 of those clicks are going to end up as dead hits on other TGP's. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

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