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Old 03-11-2004, 11:22 PM   #1
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Verotel FINALLY stops processing for teen/child " model" websites!!!

About time !


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Old 03-11-2004, 11:23 PM   #2
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good choice, back to russia they go
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:27 PM   #3
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About time they finally got some sence on the matter.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:34 PM   #4
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Now they're talking!
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:36 PM   #5
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Old 03-12-2004, 12:00 AM   #6
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good choice, back to russia they go
WTF, are they russian???
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WTF, are they russian???
I think he means those sites go back to Russian processors

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Good choice! right on!
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I think he means those sites go back to Russian processors

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Ahh... ok, whatever...
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Old 03-12-2004, 04:01 AM   #13
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i just got an email today telling me that im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad they did, i replied to this guy who signed up for our program he couldnt because he had underaged links, well done with that now AAAAAAAH thank god !
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got this forwarded...

Dear ..........

Verotel has been processing VISA and MasterCard transactions for more
than six years now. As an Internet Payment Service Provider, we have to
comply with the latest demands from the card companies. These demands
are mostly related to protecting the brand names 'VISA' and
'MasterCard'.

In line with these demands, we have to inform you about important
changes related to your website(s).

As of today, the acquiring banks we are working with,
do not process any transactions anymore of websites
that are related to underage models. Even if the models
are fully dressed and are not involved in any sexual
explicit behaviour, these websites do infringe on the
brand names of the card companies.

An underage model is every model (male or female),
that is under 18 years of age, and/or any model
over 18 years of age, but pictured as an underage model.
In addition, the words 'lolita' and/or 'little' are
not allowed in the domain name anymore.

In line with these demands, we have suspended your account
and will not release any funds until six months from now.
That means that you will not receive any payments
until at least October this year. Your account stays
reachable with the Verotel Control Center for future
updates and information about your payments.

Please note and understand that copies of passports
and model releases do not help to fight any suspensions
of your Verotel account.

We regret that we have to inform you about this, but
this is a step made by the card companies over which
we do not have direct control.

With kind regards,


Verotel Management
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Old 03-12-2004, 04:57 AM   #15
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they are Dutch
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Old 03-12-2004, 05:08 AM   #16
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1) Verotei is a Dutch billing
2) Russian billing companies don't process child (under 18) sites. If you think otherwise - show us some facts (list those Russian billings here). Otherwise just shut up please.
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Great move, and about time I must say. This takes a lot of 'credibility' (not that they ever had any, with us, anyways) away from those sites, now that they can't accept credit cards.
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In a stunning twist, GFY top banner advertiser Duo Cash is now processing for pre-teen model sites.

Nice to see what an upstanding company they are. Nice to see that Adult.com is willing to advertise for a company like that.
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looks like theres nowhere to go for the preteen and sick sites.

mind u i dont see how a 16 or 17 year old in a bikini is any worse than an 18 year old getting two cocks jammed in her pussy and up her ass.
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Old 03-12-2004, 05:35 AM   #20
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In a stunning twist, GFY top banner advertiser Duo Cash is now processing for pre-teen model sites.

Nice to see what an upstanding company they are. Nice to see that Adult.com is willing to advertise for a company like that.
Folowing to iron logic of Veterans Day, Duo Cash is Russian billing. Am I correct? I checked their contact info, and I was noticed they have the USA and UK addresses only...

So Veterans Day... May be you meant: "good choice, back to USA they go", or "good choice, back to UK they go"???
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Old 03-12-2004, 07:40 AM   #22
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looks like theres nowhere to go for the preteen and sick sites.


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In a stunning twist, GFY top banner advertiser Duo Cash is now processing for pre-teen model sites...



I noticed that too^ VERY Ironic !!

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Old 03-12-2004, 08:30 AM   #23
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Hmm. Checked out one of the sites that has been previously discussed on GFY (Sandra supposedly 13yo - I won't put the URL here for obvious reasons), they've gone from Verotel, to

2checkout

The general attitude of the site hasn't changed either. One of the preview photos has her in wet underwear and you can clearly see what's underneath it. Fucking sickos. I presume they had a 2checkout account for something else and they've secretly added processing for this site.
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Hmm. Checked out one of the sites that has been previously discussed on GFY (Sandra supposedly 13yo - I won't put the URL here for obvious reasons), they've gone from Verotel, to

2checkout

The general attitude of the site hasn't changed either. One of the preview photos has her in wet underwear and you can clearly see what's underneath it. Fucking sickos. I presume they had a 2checkout account for something else and they've secretly added processing for this site.
Sure. 2checkout do not process porn. I don't think they would process even non-nude underage sites.
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Old 03-12-2004, 08:48 AM   #25
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It's about time. We use Verotel for some websites and as a whole their service is good as far as scrubbing and payment options goes. If this means that they won't be closing up shop anytime soon, then good.
On another note, I find it amusing when people call Verotel sick fucks for proccessing underage clother model sites, and these are the same people using CCbill, a company that was the world leader in the underage clothed model market. But most people are two fucking stupid to remember that, or that Ibill was the biggest Beastiality proccessor going on....
Happy friday and I hope you get your cocks out of your asses!
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i can't believe u noobs actualy use verotel

Do you keep your money in a safe made of cardboard also?
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Do you keep your money in a safe made of cardboard also?
actually my safe is made of straw.
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It's about time. We use Verotel for some websites and as a whole their service is good as far as scrubbing and payment options goes. If this means that they won't be closing up shop anytime soon, then good.
On another note, I find it amusing when people call Verotel sick fucks for proccessing underage clother model sites, and these are the same people using CCbill, a company that was the world leader in the underage clothed model market. But most people are two fucking stupid to remember that, or that Ibill was the biggest Beastiality proccessor going on....
Happy friday and I hope you get your cocks out of your asses!
Please, do you (or any other person here) have contact on somebody in Verotel? Our account was suspended last evening (probably because of short server downtime, our models are 20-40 years old) but they closed their live chat support, they don't approve posts on their message boards, they don't answer any email to any address and phone number i had on file is not working (but maybe is wrong i had never phone them before). Perhaps it is to avoid discussion with webmasters of terminated underage models accounts or maybe there are holidays in Netherland now or maybe they are just busy last 20 hours but damned, it starts to be little scary... Just to know what happened, we'll wait till Monday if neccesary but i just remember Globill
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Please, do you (or any other person here) have contact on somebody in Verotel? Our account was suspended last evening (probably because of short server downtime, our models are 20-40 years old) but they closed their live chat support, they don't approve posts on their message boards, they don't answer any email to any address and phone number i had on file is not working (but maybe is wrong i had never phone them before). Perhaps it is to avoid discussion with webmasters of terminated underage models accounts or maybe there are holidays in Netherland now or maybe they are just busy last 20 hours but damned, it starts to be little scary... Just to know what happened, we'll wait till Monday if neccesary but i just remember Globill
pj at verotel dot com
nicole at verotel dot com
mrd at verotel dot com

send the same message to all 3, im sure one of them will respond.
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Do you keep your money in a safe made of cardboard also?
dude, you have completely no idea, maybe you should consider yourself a noob with a comment like that
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Y'know..I won't even click into those types of sites..whoever does is a sick fuck...
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dude, you have completely no idea, maybe you should consider yourself a noob with a comment like that
just watch and see. i'll bump this thread.
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pj at verotel dot com
nicole at verotel dot com
mrd at verotel dot com

send the same message to all 3, im sure one of them will respond.

Thanks, we'll try.
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okay hippie master masta flash, bump the thread, there's a lotta reasons that people started using verotel , including JuicyBucks.

For one, until recently they weren't subject to the ISPS regs.

Next, not everyone thinks the whole world stops and starts in the USA ( not that a I have a problem with americans)

Also, some people like to spread their members since it seems that american billing companies seem to go broke as quick as michael jackson can get a few face lift.... ( I also have american billing and switch between billers)

so, apart from your boozed up thoughts on verotel, they are quite decent and a good option... read back though the thread, other billers are not without shame if you would like to judge them harshly...

c'mon, it's about as useless as bashing banks, we need them both and they can't be all that bad
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Verotel is going under!

It's not just the "teen model" sites, but MANY 18+ model sites/softcore sites have had their accounts suspended within the last 48hrs !!!


Grab your lifevests, the ship is sinking !


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It's not just the "teen model" sites, but MANY 18+ model sites/softcore sites have had their accounts suspended within the last 48hrs !!!


Grab your lifevests, the ship is sinking !



Agreed i fear the worst Our account was suspended 24 hours ago. It was non problematic light bdsm site (bondage, light spanking, oral sex) models in range 20-40, we produced it at our own. No chargeback yet. We got just email suspended because of "unavailable url OR not working remote management OR high chargeback ratio OR content problem".

We did not see anything wrong in server stats except just few minutes before this email was sent they added some testing user to our site. He never entered. Ok, we told, they added user, our host just needed to reboot server, they could not get in, they suspended us. One email should explain.

But we cannot get them for all the day at any email, their perfect live support is closed, they don't approve any post at their message board, no phones, representatives Sensex gave me contacts here are not responding. Strange.

I fear there are coming some very serious and very very bad news in next hours...
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Agreed i fear the worst Our account was suspended 24 hours ago. It was non problematic light bdsm site (bondage, light spanking, oral sex) models in range 20-40, we produced it at our own. No chargeback yet. We got just email suspended because of "unavailable url OR not working remote management OR high chargeback ratio OR content problem".

We did not see anything wrong in server stats except just few minutes before this email was sent they added some testing user to our site. He never entered. Ok, we told, they added user, our host just needed to reboot server, they could not get in, they suspended us. One email should explain.

But we cannot get them for all the day at any email, their perfect live support is closed, they don't approve any post at their message board, no phones, representatives Sensex gave me contacts here are not responding. Strange.

I fear there are coming some very serious and very very bad news in next hours...
It's late Friday night in Amsterdam and Verotel does not work the weekends. ill know at 7.14am monday morning if something is up
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Verotel hodling founds for 6 months ? Bah too bad for the fuckers exploiting their lil girls
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Agreed i fear the worst Our account was suspended 24 hours ago. It was non problematic light bdsm site (bondage, light spanking, oral sex) models in range 20-40, we produced it at our own. No chargeback yet. We got just email suspended because of "unavailable url OR not working remote management OR high chargeback ratio OR content problem".

We did not see anything wrong in server stats except just few minutes before this email was sent they added some testing user to our site. He never entered. Ok, we told, they added user, our host just needed to reboot server, they could not get in, they suspended us. One email should explain.

But we cannot get them for all the day at any email, their perfect live support is closed, they don't approve any post at their message board, no phones, representatives Sensex gave me contacts here are not responding. Strange.

I fear there are coming some very serious and very very bad news in next hours...
You'll have to wait for the weekend. They should NEVER do theses changes before vacations . Always fuckup the life of couple persons.
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It's late Friday night in Amsterdam and Verotel does not work the weekends. ill know at 7.14am monday morning if something is up

Yes, but we try to contact them any possible way already from Thursday night. They did not answer whole friday. Of course, it is possible that after suspending many 18- model sites they are not reading emails to avoid correspondence with their owners or maybe they needed suspend these sites too fast and they suspended few ones by mistake.
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My question is, for the existing subscribers of Verotel sites, what happens when they rebill? Where does that money go? Or are the users automatically dropped when it comes time to rebill?
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You people who are applauding Visa's bullying tactics really kill me. I can't believe how self-righteous porn webmasters are when it comes to stuff THEY find offensive like child modeling. Don't you guys realize that a large part of society finds porn equally or more offensive?

First they came for the Jews
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Then they came for the Communists
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Then they came for the trade unionists
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Then they came for me
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It's about time. We use Verotel for some websites and as a whole their service is good as far as scrubbing and payment options goes. If this means that they won't be closing up shop anytime soon, then good.
On another note, I find it amusing when people call Verotel sick fucks for proccessing underage clother model sites, and these are the same people using CCbill, a company that was the world leader in the underage clothed model market. But most people are two fucking stupid to remember that, or that Ibill was the biggest Beastiality proccessor going on....
Happy friday and I hope you get your cocks out of your asses!
haha !! Its true
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Old 03-12-2004, 06:33 PM   #46
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You people who are applauding Visa's bullying tactics really kill me. I can't believe how self-righteous porn webmasters are when it comes to stuff THEY find offensive like child modeling. Don't you guys realize that a large part of society finds porn equally or more offensive?

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Just have to speak out on this. I have watched and read for months as many of you here cheer, n applaud as billing companies get closed down, and the usuall rants n raves of "should have gone with this biller or that biller" come rolling in.

I am in NO way defencing child pron. Verotels move should have been made a long long time ago we all know that. However as the noose tightens and less and less billing companies are out their then it puts ALL adult webmasters at the mercy of the very few, percentages will rise, becuase where else will you go, more regulations will come, making it harder for legit webmasters to make decent bucks. Dont you guys see that it is only a matter of time before their will no 3rd party credit card processing left!
How much time, who knows, but i doubt we are talking more than 2 years. Why on earth anyone would wanna see Verotel go down is beyond me, it dont make sense, it just makes for a tighter and more monopolised American based market, where the webmaster will have to go with whatever the biller requires and asks, cause where else is would they go.

A good example of this was when Probilling stopped processing credit cards, probilling was at that time a very good alternate for EU webmasters. No less than 48 hours later a well know US Based 3rd party processor upped their EU rates by 1.8 percent. Just like that ... why cause they can and they knew alot of webmasters would be wanting real quick solutions to find another processor and would probably pay what ever percentage was asked just to keep in biz.

Cover your ass in the same way we have done, offer multiple Billing options, get a merchant account, and try cut loose as much as you can from the grip of Visa/Mcard. Becuase when they are ready they will cut you dead in a second!

My 10 fucking cents!
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