Natalia is yummmmmy

Marc do you honestly believe that statement?

As far as I know there are only TWO people in this biz who have made big bank in the glamour niche and they're both in this thread. And I'm glad for them.

Girl next door content has made hundreds of millions of dollars for people.

Mutt is right, high end quality costs more to produce. But it is not a matter of just having more staff and more money. If I put a paint brush in your hand, you dont become a Van Gogh. Talent matters.

You both love our content and you know the quality of the work can provide. Our content is the best and I believe you think that as well. Shap and Kevin if you want to put a group together to buy exclusive content for your sites, we can do that for you.

I'm thinking of doing my own content...a kinda girls gone wild feel to it.

still have print up a relase form though. I just think "real" content sells better than professioal shot content. guys want to see what they could REALLY see in life..part of the whole fantasy.

It's nice stuff Kevin. That's Nathalie Cruz?

It's minimum $400-500 a set to shoot good glamour content with top models. I worked it out with a glamour photographer, i asked him what is the cheapest we could produce original glamour photosets. And honestly it's not as profitable a way for a photographer to spend a day as shooting 'amateur' niche stuff.

Shap hit me up on ICQ 174676830

or email at [email protected]

my favorite photo and no pussy in sight :Graucho

http://www.wantongirls.com/tj_1.jpg

I agree with this... In any business you are taking a big risk if you are producing a product that you aren't sure if anyone will want. Just look at the automotive industry.

There is also a lot to be said for being professional, building customer relations, and developing a style or reputation. Why try and compete with every guy that has a camera, do something unique! That is why reality stuff is selling right now, but I think it is about at peak, or close to it.

Business is cyclic, and that is just the way it goes... Plan ahead or die..

I've got a question for content providers. Why is it that you usually charge a set price REGARDLESS of the model. That right there seems to be cutting your own throat especially since the top models charge top dollar. If a provider releases a new set of say Zdenka (like matrix did) why charge the regular price? Why not charge double and set the standard for premium models?


Another thing that killed most content providers is not having a set price. You email a content provider and they'll reply with here's 15% discount. You reply that you are taking 10 sets ohhhhhhh 40% discount. WTF? That right there is one of the big problems. If i find out I've overpaid on content I'm pissed and feel like I got screwed and with all these discounts being thrown around it's hard to think you are getting a good deal.

Best example I paid 9k for the fresh photos line. I felt good about it. I felt the content was worth 9k. Easily. Then two weeks later it was for sale for $2k. Thankfully they refunded us. Same with Sexier Content. Paid $4k because I believe it was worth $4k. Then 3 weeks later they blow it out for $1k (and we only got back a third of the difference from them).

I think webmasters would be comfortable paying fair market value for content if the content provider selling it was strict and maintained the same price for all clients. The way Tim from UCJ does with his script. You can buy 100 copies from him, the price is the same.

i sale content cheep! :)

people despised Steve Easton but he was the only one trying to protect the content providers - he was just the wrong guy, went off half cocked all the time and pissed off even the 'good guys'.

theft of content is still the biggest problem the way I see it - how many of these bigshot TGP kingpins have made their millions off the back of hundreds of thousands of galleries they know damn well the submitter had no license to? How many affiliate programs turn away joins from content thieves?

very few people care about the content people, that is going to change because while traffic will always be king shit content is finally in the picture. And there won't be all that many high quality producers around - I know one guy who has changed his profession to wedding photography. The magazine biz for photographers isn't good either.

anyway at least it's good people are discussing content now.

Nice pic on Tanya :)

Yea here she is with Crissy,

http://www.pimpincontent.com/nccm.jpg

Nothing against the ama market, I just do better with the glam, when I am in South Beach drinking a beer for lunch, and the uber hottie walks by and every guys jaws hits the ground is the effect I am looking for, not the slut next door, don't get me wrong I like the slut next just not as much as the others:)

Content producers rely on website owners in order to sell their product for online use. When everyone thinks they can be a content producer then you end up with a lot of 'producers' that don't make any money since they aren't shooting the quality level that site owners are looking for.

Content producers that are not producing the type of content that site owners are looking for won't make sales in any market. The spread of broadband internet means that more surfers want video, not images. Smart site owners are giving their surfers video. As much as they can get ahold of, as a matter of fact. Video pricing seems to be holding quite well for quality product.

When all these new Visa rules came out, site owners have had to react accordingly -- which means that many of them who were always very easy to open their wallet before are taking a wait and see attitude -- waiting to see if they fail to comply with Visa what may happen to them.

There's no mystery to this if you think about it.

Cherry and I have made a good amount of money with your 5$ sets, we have also made a good amount of money with ONE SINGLE PHOTO out of some shitty set using it nichewise.

Not everyone just makes and submits galleries, there are far more creative ways to make money if you have your own traffic, and/or work search engines and what not.

thats where she was goin ;)

I have used a webcam pic of afat girl from ifriends and made hundreds.

its all how you market things Charly

If a bbw webcam pic can make money, if you are creative you can sell anything.NOT taslking about just paysites.

A LOT of content is used to promote established sites.

I buy content to push all kinds of sites.

and do well

Mutt, you are right on again with your prices. We charge 400 a set for custom work. Come one come all !

We have a good feel what "Our" members want our pay site has 25k of bookmarkers a day and its a pay site, and 5 to 1 my members want more high end pictures, we have video and lots of it but pictures are not going away at all.

i know. i don't understand it either. but people panic when they sense they're going to lose a sale to the competition so they just hand out discounts.

about charging more for certain models - in reality there's really not a difference in what one glamour model makes compared to another, give or take $100. Only somebody like Jenna Jameson would command more than the other girls. Standard pay rate for a glamour model is about $500 a day, some get 6 or 7 it they think they are 'stars'. So it shouldn't really affect the price of a set much.

It will be interesting over the next few months to see who survives and who doesn't and with what type of sites the survivors go forward.

It's about time this industry had a weeding out and a cleaning up at all levels imo.

OK,

I've bought a couple images in the last 5 years, (a little over 3 million)

My take

1. Supply and demand - 5 years ago there were half a dozen places to buy content, today there are hundreds.

There is always someone willng to give it to you for less, and lets be honest, there is not a whole hell of a lot of difference between most quality shooters (I leave clearing houses out of this as they are a different story altogether) A guy paying LA rates for a blonde with big tits can't possible sell for the same amount a guy in the Czech Repuplic can, the guy in LA is paying 10 times the dollars to the model (yes you are being outsourced overseas)

2. Photographers selling their work to every schmuck with a paypal account, having it on every TGP on the planet simply makes it much less valuable to a paysite owner.

3. Content is only as valuable as the return people can get from the sites.

Take the free stuff away (or limit what is available) more pople will buy, webmasters will make more money, paysite owners will increase profits, they in turn will buy more content AND pay a higher price for it since they will see the investment pay off

Sand is not very valuable in the desert, and that is the market content providers are in.

That being said, I am looking to set up monthly deals for supplying photos and videos.

I allready get more "filler" content than I can stomach, so if you are looking to resell someone else stuff don't bother.

I wan't stuff that is not sold on the open market, preferable licensed for use only in paysites, video and stills of the same models, and professional quality, if you are giving the local strippers 100 bucks to come over and suck your dick while you film it I am not interested.

I have deals in place with Wanton Girls, Max Candy, SDE Content, Gecko, and putting the final touches on a deal with Greg Gregory.

Will buy exclusive where it fits and the numbers justify the expense.

Paul Markum, you should email me, I have bought from you in the past and I think we could probably set up a monthly deal that is good for both of us.

jeff at offendale dot com

:glugglug

I just wanted to add a little something here. I see alot of people talking about quality vs. quantity and glamour vs. amateur and such. And there is much talk about all the Joe Schmoes with digital cameras in hotel rooms. But one think that no one has mentioned (that I've seen) is content EDITING. Even in the amateur market most people want to see a certain degree of quality in the photos. A good post-production editor can take a mediocre set of content and turn it into something special, but most so-called photographers these days either don't know how to do it themselves or won't spend the money to hire someone to do it for them. So you have a massive influx of photos hitting the market from new photographers who (as mentioned earlier) don't know squat about lighting, chemistry with the models, locations, makeup, props, etc. And they are producing photos that are over/underexposed or have flash hot spots or have disgusting color casts and they're trying to compete by selling cheaper content because no one in their right mind is going to pay well for that type of content.

With so many newbies entering the market every day on a limited budget, they're either stealing content, using free content or buying the cheap-ass crap and keeping the cheapo providers in business, while ignoring the good quality stuff. The quality providers that either take good photos to begin with or who edit their mediocre photos suffer because the newbies with cheap content saturate the market and make it harder for the veterans to get their sales (because so many newer webmasters being out there just naturally lower the odds of the veterans getting to the surfer first) and when the veterans find it difficult to get sales then they stop buying from the quality producers and may leave the business altogether. I've seen TONS of people that I've known in the industry leave it recently, even some who have been here since '97 or so. And yes, you can convert sales with crappy content. It takes either good marketing skills or mass traffic (for luck) but it can be done with some work. I've done it in the past, when I couldn't afford to buy any content.

I think that some of the mediocre producers who are failing could pick sales up quite a bit by hiring someone to edit their content for them, perhaps offering some semi-exclusive content in exchange or perhaps giving a percentage of sales (for those who cannot afford the up-front cost of hiring an editor.) Turn crappy content into mediocre content, turn mediocre content into good content. :)

I know I don't like paying decent prices for unedited content. I'll pay rock bottom prices for it and edit myself, or I'll pay a premium for having the work done for me already, but I certainly won't do both.

I hope you are not talking about me, I will put up our members area against anyone, we add over 40 full sets a week including videos on time everytime, we have more backend on one site then ARS had on all combined, please don't compare us to them.

We have also had 7 day phone support since day one, biz has never been better, it seem like the others are trying to get it in gear when we were always in gear:)

that's good news Kevin if your members are telling you that they still are there for the photos.

i had this discussion with Donovan Phillips yesterday, he was under the impression I was telling people that photos are dead - there will always be fans of still photography. BUT video is a huge part of the biz now and most surfers do want video so I am encouraging Brian to put as much effort into sharpening his video skills as he does into his stills work. Remember your members are there because of the photos so any survey, informal or scientific, you do with your members/surfers is going to be heavily slanted towards still photography.

BTW Mutt, that face shot of Tanya James is smoking hot, that picture alone can sell memberships.

Can you fit her in the sets you are doing for us ?

I think everyone gets so caught up with EXCLUSIVE content.....do you think the members of our site ( www.sexy-babes.tv ) care if the content we give them daily is exclusive? All they want is top quality babes shot by top quality photographers. Once they join our site and stay a member, they dont care or even know if the content is exclusive or not!

And this suggestion of a small group buying semi-exclusive content sounds very interesting to me!

If you want to discuss this further Shap, contact me here:
arran @ sexy-babes.tv

We have over 500 full video sets for download, so we have a ton of that also, they still want the pics!

I wish I could Jeff. Tanya supposedly has signed an exclusive contract with VCA.

here she is again with Charisma and MarcoP.

http://www.wantongirls.com/myjobsucks_02.jpg

Bingo, we will continue to buy all of the best content we can find, we have been buying all of the Matrix content we can get on hands on and we will continue to do so, a hot model is a hot model, its that simple :)

who was the program that had to drop Matrix content from their hosted galleries and why?

of course, only after they go blonde!

hahah

:winkwink:

We had to drop Matrix content from our program, I dont really want to get into the reasons here though!

We have a deal with Matrix to run hosted, so does Shap from Twistys, some don't want the deal like Sexy-Babes, its a matter of choice?

Fletch - in lots of ways you've hit the nail on the head. I realise that a lot of guys make sales from glam content and a lot of guys make sales from amateur content but there's an aweful lot of us who make sales from content where the surfer makes some sort of connection with the model.

You've seen Marie from when you did those galleries for her. She's a big girl and my photography is nothing like what the guys in this thread can turn out.

Yet it doesn't matter how poorly composed a photo of her might be or how bad the lighting is - when she opens her eyes and smiles into the camera surfers come running with their dicks hanging out and their credit cards cocked and ready to fire.

They make that connection with her and from what I've seen there is either not too many girls who can do that or not too many photographers who understand that.

:2 cents:

That's why I don't produce content. The reason I would do that is to look bitches :glugglug

Don't get defensive, I am talking about everyone. I dont care if you're ARS or you're not, if you say you are ten times better than them or you do 1/10th the sales they do.

At the end of the day there is nothing more important than billing for any business -- if you cannot accept payment for your goods or services, you cannot be in business. This is a very tough time for billing, whether you're on your own merchant account or using an IPSP, or getting magic beans in the mail to pay for memberships ;)

The point isn't about reality content. The point is about : CAN YOU GET THE SAME THING FOR FREE ?

question = yes everywhere

That,s where reality comes up . Every week something new is beein thrown and there is a story or a style to follow . Kazaa can't match that .

Too fuckin' long to read.. :S

Yes but they can get that for free. you must offer them something new .

God damn everytime Shap post something it becomes big ... Congrats bro :) I remember the old days of AWI now !

This is the best thread posted on this board for months . I haven't went thru the 1st page yet ... I'l come back later :P

You should, it's worth it .

First real debate I've seen here in a while . Many big persons in the industry from many places, comming and telling their point of view ... Almost everything from big boys make sence even if it's different point of views :P