They should have every right to be just as miserable as straight people!

Looking at the same face every freakin morning for the rest of your life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:Graucho

Of course they should.

gay people are fucking sick..... they should be beaten in the streets not married. :mad:

They can gain equal rights through civil unions or de facto type relationships. Their agenda for Marriage is little more than their attempt to further force their lifestyles in peoples faces. Do I care if someone is in to scat? Not particularly. Do I want to see it (or constant references about it) in my face, on TV, and taught at my children's school? Nope.

of course they should.

Sure if they want!

sure

NP

I find it kind of amazing how many Porn Peddlers feel that gays do not have the right to be married.

Yep, merely asking the question means you are a moron. I've been married 20 years to the most beautiful and exicting woman on the planet. To deny that sense of well being and happiness to anyone else is stupid, mean, and senseless.

Who gives a fuck who marries who? For all I care my dog can marry your sister and your mother too; I don't give a flying fuck if all 3 consent.

Actually the question was asked to gather others opinions, and had you readm the original question before posting you would have seen that I DO beleive they have the right, so i guess that would make you the moron then:1orglaugh

don't count the lesbians out...they can put up one hell of a fight

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Ok...I actually liked your post. It was well written and seemed to follow a logical pattern in argument. But can you please explain to me how you, or any other straight person, "earned" the right to marry...and any gay person did not????

Here's how I see the issue. Marriage is really only a commitment ceremony between 2 (or in Utah more) consenting adults that is recognized by government to allow for certain legal protections and benefits. Allowing civil unions, but not allowing "marriage" is the purest form of segregation. Last time I checked, segregation was illegal.

This thread has offered some good arguments for both sides of this issue, but even more half-assed attempts at trying to spout rhetoric that amounts to nothing more than self-important bullshit...also on both sides of the issue. As far as changing the deffinition of marriage itself...how is it that anyone else who marries has any effect on your own marriage. If that's the case, shouldn't you be equally as offended by the fact that cousins can marry in some states? What if somebody thinks you are married to your cousin. What about people who get married simply because they've gone and knocked themselves up...or for welfare money...or inheritance??? Seems to me these ceremonies should be just as offensive, but they are not in debate.

Where children are concerned...now this issue touches a little deeper I think, for all of us. Yes, I believe the best way possible to raise a child is with a loving father and a loving mother, both financially stable enough to provide a good warm home and an empowering education. Both intelligent enough to explain life at age appropriate intervals. Both concerned enough to participate in life and lead by example. There are many many requirements for "ideal parenthood" but what percentage of American families do you think really fit this mold? Oddly enough, when I came out to my family, my aunt expressed deep sorrow for me that I would never be able to have children as her son was better for her than she ever could have imagined, and she wanted me to be able to feel that kind of joy. When I asked her why she thought I couldn't/wouldn't have kids she firmly espoused the evils of bringing up a child in such a situation. Here's the kicker...my aunt got pregnant...didn't even know she was pregnant for the 1st 4 months of the pregnancy because she drank too much to notice. When she told the "father" he skipped town. As it turns out...when my cousin was 2 YEARS old...we discovered that the man she originally thought was the father wasn't and that the father was somebody else entirely. Now...I know she loves him with her entire being, but can anybody explain to me how that can be better for a child than being raised by 2 loving parents, of any gender, who have sacrificed and designed their lives for the specific purpose of adoption. People who are caring for children before they even have them...not people who happen to fuck up in a moment of drunken lust. This is just one small example.

The other day I dropped a friend off to visit some people he knew. There were 2 sisters, both with x husbands either in jail or on the run...and 6 children living in a 2 bedroom trailer so full of shit that you litterally had to tiptoe past the front door. Whew! I sure am glad those people "earned" their right to marry. What a great future those kids are facing! On a personal level...growing up gay is hard. Nobody, not even any gay parents I know, raises children with an understanding of what it's like to be gay. This leaves countless teens, struggling with the usual pressures of adolesence, with the added burden of wondering what's wrong with them. It's hard. There should be open dialogue and discussion and places for kids to go when they don't understand their own emotions/sexuality. There needs to be a place kids can be comfortable enough to confront those issues and maybe even get some guidance. Human sexuality is not a "disease" in need of a cure.

I'm honestly not trying to "pick on" unfortunate people or circumstances, but merely pointing out that, as humans, we all have certain rights...but the most basic is the right to choose. Those people all were able to choose whether or not to marry. They chose whether or not to have children. Now really, for better or worse, any person, by virtue of his/her humanity should have the right to choose for him/herself. It's a good damned thing Hitler didn't let the Germans marry the Jews...just think how fucked up the world would be now if they'd gotten an earlier start!

I know I've gone on way too long already, and there are pages more I could write. But for now I'll stop and thank anyone who has actually taken the time to read and consider any of this.

Ok, case closed then. :glugglug

Well, it's 5:40 on the 11th and NBC just ran a factual answer to why civil unions don't cut it -- the big hangup is the federal government only recognizes marriage. There are over 1100+ places where federal benefits are limited to persons in, or children of persons in, a legal Civil Marriage. Civil Unions are limited to benefits of the state issuing that contract. Note: Civil Union, Civil Marriage -- not Religious Union, Not Religious Marriage. That's where most of the 'upset' comes from -- use of the term 'gay marriage' as if it would mean every pastor and every congregation would have to accept any same sex couple that say's 'marry us'. THAT'S NOT WHAT IS BEING ASKED!! No law in the US can dictate to any religion -- and vice versa is suppose to be true. We live in a secular democracy not a Christian one.

As to your belief of what the true 'agenda' is -- abnormality is in the eye of the beholder. For sure, biology is not telling 'us' anything other than there is stronger and stronger scientific proof that homosexuality can be inborn just like lefthandedness. Check this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ience_sheep_dc -- Homosexual sheep!!

That's their right.

Sure they can. If all the guys/gays team up together it leaves more single women free for the rest of us.

No they shouldn't and they won't fuck the haters.

Personally i find it disgusting, but then again I'm not gay. I don't think its fair to deny th right though, just as long as I'm not part of it.

my idea..it's 2004 for christ sake

100 HomoPHOBES!

If they want to, even if I don't want them to,
what can I do?

whatever......maybe they will shut up then

Really? I have yet to meet someone who is afraid of gays. Just where do these chickenshits of all chickenshits live? Because as you are perfectly well aware of, disapproval and not understanding how burying a part of your body in feces possibly can be sexually arousing is not fear/phobia.

That term is thrown around all the time, and I have to say that you think too highly of yourselves.

Also, since you encourage unpleasantries, let me ask you why a disproportionate amount of pedophiles also are bi/homosexual? Try to deny it or even imply that it isn't true and I will happily waste five minutes of my life digging up statistics to own you with. :)

i dont care if gays get married, i dont see the big deal, the issue of gay adoption surprises me because nobody cares about that... gays marrying effects nobody, gays adopting a kid effects the kid

anyway i guess the only argument against gay marriage is that it will turn into a where will it end issue... because if gays can marry then why cant bisexuals marry 2 people and why cant i have 6 asian wifes... granted id never get married but i wouldnt mind tricking 6 asian women into thinking i would

yes plain and simple

yeah that makes sense.

Orphans would better off sitting in an orphanage all of their lives staring at the wall instead of being given the choice to live with people who will love them and help them grow into adults.


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Gay people should have the exact same rights as everyone else, including the right to get married :2 cents:

The gays want to adopt to get a jump on recruiting the young orphan boy.

i wasnt saying i was against gay adoption but i would think that would be a bigger issue than gay marriage... but really, can you deny the fact that a kid with gay parents wouldnt have a harder time growing up in school... a lot of parents and other kids would make the kid an outcast...

Care to enlighten GFY with the story behind your nick, BloodFart? :Graucho :( :1orglaugh

Ya, i seen it on irc long ago, it was so fucking stupid it made me laugh, I adopted it.. Whats fucked up is everyone thinks it's a gay nick. like gays would fart blood for some reason, when we all know they dont do things to damage their asses such as shove arms and household objects up to their intestines for entertainment and call it love.

You're hysterical!! I just do the old "100 (put in witty saying here) and you jump all over me.

Ok asshole..I'll take your challenge..shows me your "stats" that there is a higher % of gays that abuse children than hets!

I think they do have the right but not all
people agreed to it.

Vagina's are tasty morsels

So now you are resorting to abusive expletives? Interesting.

You know as well as I do right off from the bat that there are too many bi/gay pedophiles to consider heteros and gays to produce an equal percentage of pedophiles. But here we go.

A disproportionate amount of pedophiles are gay
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/SexualImmorality/Pedophilia/HomosexualityAndChildSexAbuse.htm
Extract 1: "Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."
Extract 2: "Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls)."

Schmidt, Thomas (1995). Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate. Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, p. 114.
Extract: "since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adult males"

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/Culture/apapedo.htm
Extract 1: "?Because the homosexual community is sharply divided on this subject, the study [that was published by the American Psychological Association] will undoubtedly cause consternation among them. Homosexuals are proud of the fact that most child molesters are not homosexuals. But they do not consider that the only reason this is true is because only 3% of the population are homosexuals; the truth is that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals. Some studies have shown that 35% of pedophiles are homosexual.? "

"In 1985 The Los Angeles Times did a study of 2,628 adults across the US. Of these, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested as children. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men were abused by adults of the same sex. Which means 7% of the men were abused by females and 93% of the girls by men. So again, heterosexual and homosexual men did most of the molestations, and women over all had a negligible contribution to the molestation cases. And since women are over 50% of the population, women (Lesbian and Straight alike) are VERY underrepresented amongst child molesters. And when we break down the molestation rates between homosexuals (and for all intents of purposes, bisexuals will be included as homosexual) and heterosexuals (also note, bisexuals also are included in the heterosexual sample too no doubt) we can see, even with bisexuals, heterosexuals molest at a much LOWER RATE for their numbers in the population, to homosexuals. Taking this altogether, we can see nearly 40% of the molestations were done by homosexuals."


That's as much as I bothered to dig up for now. READ IT. If you actually pay attention to the news, you will also notice that when a pedophile offense has taken place the victims are OFTEN either boys and girls (bisexual), or just boys (homosexual).

And don't bother saying that, "But MORE pedophiles are heterosexual!" We already know that. There is also vastly more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Just like from the song "Alice's Restaurant"..."you can get anything you want...at Alice's Restaurant.."

You can get anything from any one person on the internet!
Wow..these are really great sources you are using..

NOT!

If you had used the example of the Catholic church, I might have agreed with you. But as it is..you are just clueless as to what really happens in the real world.

Nice try..but overall..VERY lame attempt to prove your point.

Now..go back to school and get that education you need!

If they wanna get married with the same sex,
there's nothing we can do about it.

Of course they should, they do here. We have the leading gay law reform laws in the world. :thumbsup

you know why a higher % of pedophiles are gay? because society doesn't accept them, and because most gays never actually make the fact that they're gay public...this creates a l.ot of psychopaths. Imagine if you were born a certain way, but you never felt you could comfortably be that way. Why do you think so many priests molest kids?