Hell no.

A marriage is a legal union between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife. This should not even be open to disussion. When I say I am married, there should be no doubt that I am married to a woman.

By allowing gays to get married it changes the definition of my marriage.

This isn't to say that gays shouldn't be entitled to have the exact same rights I have being married. You just can't call it a marriage.

I think if it's what makes them happy let them get marry. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.

You are basing your decision on the fear that someone may think you are married to a man instead of a woman?!? WEAK!!

Plus... did you know that the Bible never dictates what a marriage ceremony should be? We know that the Bible condoned marriage, for their are many mentions of man and wife (though there is never a mention of both of them having schlongs.) We also know that JC condoned marriage, since he went to a wedding, brought the wine, and signed a 1 picture deal with Mel Gibson. However, the good book never dictates what a marriage should be. For all we know, the ancient ceremony consisted 4 men throwing a dinner party and listening to Andrew Lloyd Webber records.

not until the laws change to say it is okay

Couldn't agree more!

his parents are married, and straight too.
think about that !

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There must be at least 5,000 same sex coupls that are married by now in the US, I dont see any anarchy in the streets or any reason they should stop. Let people be happy. I hate watching people being opressed.

Only self-important assholes oppose gay marriage.

That's gay.

What kind of retarded question is that?

Of course they should have the right.

50!!!!!!!!!!!

Call it weak if you think it is. No one should ever question if I'm married to a man or a woman. Ever.

You obviously have many masculinity related issues.

You must be very insecure about your own sexuality.

that's kind of a selfish reason to opress a whole huge group of people, dont you think?

50 years ago when Interracial marriage was up for debate, you could have said "No one should ever question if I'm married to a white woman or a black woman. Ever."

Wouldn't that sound dumb to say today?

No.

With this path, Satan can do the job.

:2 cents:

Isnt that like segregation? Its the same rationalization used 50 years ago - that blacks and whites should be entitled to the same education...just not at the same schools. *shrug*

wow, I didnt read the whole posts and it looks like someone literally took the words out of my mouth three posts up. Glad to know there are plenty of intelligent people reading these boards :p

Yes - I feel that every person should have the right to marry who they want... man or woman.

I believe in happiness, if two people of the same sex getting married will make them happy or even happiest, then so be it!

Yeah i supose they should,i don't have problems with that as long as they stay away from me:glugglug

why not? I'd say I'm quite surprised seeing porn webmasters being all shocked because of that, but then I realize it's not surprise at all :(

Yes they should.

I don't mind gays getting married, that means more pussy for me :)

Yes. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Including the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

the time will come soon were the questions wont matter.

I question your entire line of "logic".

script:

- yes, they should it is a matter of civil rights
- no they shouldn't they are against nature
- oh give me a break
- they want special rights
- how is it a special right to marry the person you love?
- straight people can't marry the same gender either. So, it is a special right.
- yeah, okay but on my planet people want to marry the people they love. Straight people don't have romantic love for the same gender.
- doesn't matter, it is a special right, let them live together as long as I don't see it but don't call it marriage
- fine, don't call it marriage but then get proper civil unions available
- no, that is wrong
- what the fuck are you talking about? First you don't want marriage but you won't let them have another option.
- there isn't anything they can't do now without the law changing
- what about being able to be by the side of the person you love when they are dying in a hospital or being able to be next of kin.
- that is what wills are for
- do you have a brain? What part of they can - and are- contested do you not understand?
- gays are sick
- don't worry, they don't want to marry your sorry ass
- they should follow california law..if they want to change things they can do it other ways
- ever heard of Ghandi?
- the guy that wore diapers?
- um, yeah..anyway, sometimes you need to fight the law in a non-violent act of civil disobedience
- damn faggots throwing it in front of our face..fat ass rosie doing it it
- you know, 12clicks really is so much better at this than you

etc..

If it were truly about equal rights such as hospital visitation, medical benefits, inheritance, etc. They'd accept civil unions and be done with it. What they really want is to normalize their abnormal behavior in the eyes of society. They want homosexuality to be seen as an equal state of being to heterosexuality. Common sense and biology tells us it's not and can never be. Maybe one day science will find a cure for gayness and this will no longer be an issue.

oh man, I totally have to agree with your sentiment in that statement...


it's the good political theater time of year again...

yes

LOL, that does not compute

Err, no, what they want is EQUAL rights. Geddit? EQUAL. That means the right to get married to the consenting adult of their choice. Giving them the right to a civil union is not equal rights if you are denying them the right to marry.

VERY well done! :thumbsup

true

I don't like the values of the "gay community," but I don't really give two shits about gays or what they do as long as they don't intentionally provoke me or try to influence children to "explore their sexuality."

Here are a few points I feel I have to raise however.

1. Many on the "yes" side are extremely quick to label anyone who disagrees with them as "<b>clearly</b>" frightened and insecure, "<b>obviously</b>" homosexual themselves, without providing any argumentation whatsoever. Look back in this thread for examples.

This is invalid argumentation, and it sounds so fucking stupid and desperate that it is beyond me as to how you get away with it as often as you do. Anyone can say that since someone agrees or disagrees with something, they are "clearly" frightened, "obviously" meaning something else no matter what they say, and so forth. I could say that if you are disagreeing with this very post, it is obvious and perfectly clear that you in effect are just like me, and are just trying to deny your own nature by virtue of the act of disagreeing with me. See my point? Try something else, please. How about some convincing arguments instead of those desperate attempts at "winning" arguments by playing supreme God over what the opposition's arguments "really" means.

2. Disallowing the misuse of a concept/ritual invented by and for straight people to mean something special to them isn't oppression or denying anyone any rights. If "denying" this to gays is denying them their rights (how and where did they earn this right?), then <b>by the exact same logic, single people and people who want to marry a group of people or even a plant/baby/child/picture/object/soul/animal are also being denied "their" right and thereby "oppressed."</b> And what about urinals for men? Aren't women oppressed and denied their rights by not getting urinals installed in womens' bathrooms? After all, some woman do prefer to stand while peeing. Who are we to say that they can't have urinals? Denying them their rightful urinals is not humane! Et cetera.

I suggest the gays stock up on some of that "sensitivity" and "tolerance" they are so quick to preach about, and put some thought into whether they really want to change the meaning of marriage for everybody, when in fact they are just a vocal little minority. But I guess sensitivity and tolerance doesn't apply that way, right? Hypocricy at its best.


I have more points about this issue, but I have spent enough time on this for now. Thanks for reading.

CLIFFNOTES: 1) Explanation of own stance. 2) A bunch of interesting little analogies and facts sum up to ownage of one of the sides to this discussion. 3) The question of whether the sensitivity and tolerance being preached is applicable in more than just the way in which it is beneficial to politically correct groups is raised.

There are so many things I could talk about in regards to your post. But I thought I would just "settle" on this point for now.

I find it interesting when a majority group tells a minority group to be "SENSITIVE" and "TOLERANT" of their views/opinions.

I could take your reference to "gays" and change it to "blacks" or any other minority because you are basically telling ANYONE in a minority group to "not rock the boat" because you like it in the MAJORITY group.

THAT'S JUST THE POINT! The majority group have become so "settled" with "the way things are now" that you are the very "creature" you are talking about when there is a need to be "sensitive" and "tolerant".

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE..what you preach!

I don't care its not my business, if they love eachother, then why not I'd say. Afterall, life is only 70/80 years average.

So you should enjoy your life, not pretend to be different then you really are.

I doubt women prefer peeing standing up because I think the pee would tend to dribble down their legs and leave an unsightly trail of urine . I don't ever recall trying to pee standing up, but my guess is that this is what would happen. Men can project their penis and aim at a certain spot while that's not possible for women.

well said


:thumbsup :thumbsup

i gotta admit, im not really sure how i feel about this. but i guess mainly i just wouldnt want to be raised by two guys or two girls ... sure this is ignorant but, i have had limited exposure to this lifestyle so ... i am ignorant about it.

Ill say yes im for it since im sure Bush and the 'Moral Majority' is against it.

Marriage for gays :thumbsup - cant be worse than the state of male/female marriages these days. Men see women as a car to trade in after they put too many miles on it - makes me sick. Im serious, doesnt anyone love anyone? how many people have parents that are still together? Its been 18 years and im still sick over my parents divorce.