Dildozer

50 shaving MPA2 sponsors!

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supermack

sponsors live to shave.....


sponsors, if caught & convicted, will swear they shave to live....


We all know shaving takes place. Thats a given, but its interesting to see that not one person from an affiliate company has anything to say about this idea, wether its a good idea, or a bad idea, or whatever.

There afraid to post anything on this.


Thats even more interesting to say the least....

Oh, i see dilldozer has allready touched this argument on this subject...


Lets face it folks, some of us know our traffic. Some people claim they know there traffic, but some of us KNOW our traffic.

If your sales dont add up, you stop using the program, then you sit and watch all the ads that get put up on this and other boards, and then it really starts to sink in.

who is actually paving the way for this business? Who is showing the world of noobs how to get things done? Most will only emulate the tactics being used by some of the big names.

I want to scream company names on this board, that I swear by all in gods name, that they are rotten shaving sons-o-bitches, but that would release all unholy hell, and I fear my ip address would be used against me, and utterly result in my untimely death. Some of these guys, do have connections to the mob.

I think this MPA2 is a good idea, but as you can see, if sponsors are avoiding the topic, that should give you a good idea about the possibility of them ever thinking about using it.

All in all, big sponsors claim that its all the little dirty noobs pissing in everyones drinking water, but the big guys and their assfucking of everyone will be the ones who are ultimately responsible.

There are a few good ones though.

If you think im going to tell YOU who the good ones are, NO FUCKING WAY, that would soil my comments, and someone would think Im from one of those companies. And, id like to keep all the money for myself. Its the only way to survive in this fucking cut throat world of the adult webmaster.

Dildozer

This industry is turning to shit
I'd love nothing more than to expose you fuckin shavers.

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Lykos

Nice

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bhutocracy

yeah i'll try it no problem... no problem at all, didn't someone say it didn't work though? who here on gfy is a credible third party coder who can give it the all clear?

bhutocracy

also what is this guy's icq number so i can get someone to take a look at it?

Wilbo

Damn, I'm gona all day and no sponsor has even bothered to inquire? Should we list all sponsors who use MPA2 and ask them each individually in their own little thread to try this out?

Wilbo

oops, didn't see bhutocracy stepped up.........sorry.

rounders

sigh so much drama :P

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bhutocracy

i replied on the first page. I'm interested, but im not going to rush out and throw untested software coded by someone I don't know with 2 posts on my server am I? I'll do it but I'd like someone reputable from GFY to take a look at it. Also the guy never replied ot my questions or posted on gfy with contact info.. kinda hard to move ahead.

bhutocracy

theres also a lot to lose if his script is buggy - I mean how did he code it? not with mpa2's approval and testing.. all it takes is for the two scripts (and lets not forget how buggy mpa2 is) to not work properly once and hey voila im shaving! theres also the chance that someone will just say i've coded another layer between them to way to fool the script and blah blah blah.
people will never be happy with the proof, and i accept that, im ONE OF THEM lol I expect people to be shaving and just look at the bottom line.

Dildozer

true bhutocracy, we need a 3rd party coder, respectable and fortunately uncoherced. Also i'm not sure MPA2 would ever agree to approve such software, i mean they put in the shave feature for a reason, there was a demand for it. Wouldn't it be logical that the same clients would try to block and prevent such shaving detection?

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bhutocracy

only if they bought it for shaving purposes.. I just wanted to cascade past the ccbill scrub. Personally I'd rather have a lower ratio than shave, the ratio should attract more affiliates to make more money even if the margins aren't as good as someone with a 10% shave or whatever.

swedguy

Wonder why so many MPA sponsors are quiet

Wilbo

Things that make you go hmmmm

blady

That's not something evil. I didn't code it myself; I just gave the idea to a programmer (who knows mpa database structure) along with some money and get that in return.

I've got that info from my programmer: It queries mpa "webmasters" table with your user/pass to get your webmaster id, then queries "transactions" table to get all transactions related to that id. In that table, signup_paid column holds the shave amount of that transaction, if "1" no shave, if "0.8" 20% shave, etc. You should have php & optimizer and edit config.php to point mysql server, mpa database name, user and pass to run it.

It's encoded because it keeps a secret key in it to return validate hash of a hahahahahahahaha Without that, it would be so easy to fake by coding something similar that can return fake results. One more time, validate hash of "honest sponsor" is 88693a259ec7e5fe01c8f6fd3c04f227 but that can be faked too, you should test it with any other string; all authentic installations should return same hash everywhere.

Sorry, I need to stay anonymous for a while. And yes, I've made a typo while registering, so what.

Yours,
Baldy

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mryellow

I'm putting up my hand to audit and re-encode the script.

I don't trust you or your anonymous coders.

If I can get the un-encrypted source code I'll have myself and
another coder verify that there are no trojans in the script and
that no data can be compromised. Then we'll re-encode it so that
you or any others can not edit it. Once it is audited and re-
encoded I'll add CRC file verification so that people can be
assured they are downloading a safe script.

Without this audit I won't install it and neither will anyone else.

btw Spydollars doesn't shave. Check sig.

-Ben

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playa

why does the file have to be encoded?

playa

QUOTE]Originally posted by mryellow
I'm putting up my hand to audit and re-encode the script.

I don't trust you or your anonymous coders.

If I can get the un-encrypted source code I'll have myself and
another coder verify that there are no trojans in the script and
that no data can be compromised. Then we'll re-encode it so that
you or any others can not edit it. Once it is audited and re-
encoded I'll add CRC file verification so that people can be
assured they are downloading a safe script.

Without this audit I won't install it and neither will anyone else.

btw Spydollars doesn't shave. Check sig.

-Ben [/QUOTE]


Exactly my point also, why even go thru encoding the script??

Just doesn't sound "Honest" from a programmer

mryellow

The reason he's encrypted the script is so that it can't be edited
to always output the non-cheater hash.

It's the way it has to be done.... but no one will install a script
which knows their DB password, is encrypted and coded by
someone no one knows.

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broke

If any sponsor cared they would get third parties to audit and verify their software... but there is always the legion of halfwit newbies that will send traffic to anyone, because they don't know better.

So why bother?

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Biggy2

no sponsor is going to allow a random guy they dont know access to their stats or anything like that.

on another note, many sponsors out there shave, and if they use MPA2, chances are they probably shave too..

so - if you don't like it, don't promote sites with MPA2 - it's personally bullshit that the programmer of MPA2 built in a cheating device into his own program, and if people boycott MPA2 sites, you will also see no programs using it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

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If I may give any of you people advice if you play the affiliate game...

KNOW YOUR FUCKING SPONSOR!
I do not mean communicate through email for fucking christs sakes.

Know the guy.
Know the deal.

Thats what it comes to.

I am against the Shave I have been since they first started comming up on the radar and the bottom line is if ya know who your dealing with you know what the fucking deal is straight up.

Get answers and get to know the folks ya do business with.

Its you bottom feeders that do not understand this very most basic of principals and endup on the boards screaming about shit.

Sorry just tired of hearing the same ol stories about MPA this, MPA that, I got shaved...
What the fuck ever. Get with the program. Get with your sponsors and fucking understand who and what kind of people you choose to do business with.

Its seriously that easy and if your to lazy to bother your to lazy to make good money in this biz.

Ok.
Thanks.

END transmission.

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broke

Blah, blah, blah.

Nothing more...

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Seriously CRY baby bitches stop sniveling its your own fucking fault for getting shaved in the first place for not knowing who ya do business with.

Thats the fucking truth, Wut? Ya can't hang? It is not hard hookin up with sponsors and making sure your on the right track.

Alot of cool peeps in this industry and alot of mother fucking scum bags.
ITS YOUR FUCKING JOB to get with the right people and make money with em.

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broke

That's horseshit.

I shouldn't have to fly to every sponsor office and inspect source code. That the only way to KNOW. The phone calls, ICQ messages, and hanging out at 'events' does nothing to prove one thing or the other.

Online casinos are voluntarily audited by third parties... won't be long until adult sponsors are as well.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Ya might be right Broke ya might be right but till then ya goto do your best to know who ya do business with.

I know alot of people wait for that day.

And until then the fly by nights will reign and the scammers will do a little dance ripping people off.

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Wilbo

This may be the beginning here. There's still a deafening silence from all the MPA2 sponsors except bhutocracy. Why are they playing deaf and dumb?

broke

Agreed.

The problem is... with all due diligence there is know way to KNOW unless you are allowed into the office and have the knowledge to audit the company.

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mryellow

The reason no one is responding is because they don't wanna
give some no-name access to their database. There are plenty of
non-shaving sponsors out there but that doesn't mean they feel
like exposing their data and compromising their systems just to
prove it.

As for the actual act of shaving.... I don't care...

If I send traffic to sponsor A and make $500 and send traffic to
sponsor B and make $600..... I really do not care at all if sponsor
B shaves more then A because I'm simply making more money
with them. Smart webmasters look at the bottom line, not the
ratio, not the $ per signup, not the percentage.... Just the bottom
line.

Just to let you know, I can 100% guarantee the sponsors in my
sig count 100% and do not shave at all.

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broke

That's short sighted and frankly silly.

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mryellow

Short-sighted?

Sponsor A give you 1:40 and you make $500 a month.

Sponsor B gives you 1:500 and you make $600 a month.

Which do you choose?

Sponsor A gives you $100 per signup and you make $500 a month

Sponsor B gives you $25 per signup and you make $600 a month.

Which do you choose?

Sponsor A gives you 80% and you make $500 a month.

Sponsor B gives you 50% and you make $600 a month.

Which do you choose?

Sponsor A shaves 0% and you make $500 a month.

Sponsor B shaves 10% and you make $600 a month.

Which do you choose?


If you've answered honestly then you'll quickly see that bottom-
line is infact the most important thing.

Once again this doesn't mean I support shaving and those in my
sig are non-shavers.

-Ben

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reynold

That's very interesting.

broke

Honestly.

Sponsor A one hundred times out of a hundred. I run an honest and legal business. I want to do business with people that share those ideals... $100 a month doesn't matter to me in the least.

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Dildozer

Fuckin bullshit. Smart webmasters start their own programs or change sponsors, they don't turn a blind eye to shaving sponsors.

This industry is run by greed, nothing new here, but alsso alot of shady crooks. And you know what? The shady crooks are usually the ones you feel you could trust them with your own mother.

This business is seriously ill

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TripleXCash uses MPA2....they do not shaved!!!

mryellow

There have been so many shaving sponsors that have made so
many people so much money and made them so happy that I
don't think it really matters.... Sure there is the ethics and
the "industry illness" to take into account. However from an
affiliates point of view you should really just focus on getting the
most money for your traffic.

Spot on about the starting your own program.

Anyway, whatever your take on shaving I've offered to audit the software.

Lets see what he says.

-Ben

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broke

If you ran an advertising agency... would you accept your clients paying you for half of your work?





What's the difference?

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mryellow

If the client that was paying for half my work paid as much as
those paying for all my work..... Would it matter?

If the bottom-line was right I'd just bank the money.


Lets say I start 3 pay-per-signup programs.

1) $100 per signup with a 50% shave.
2) $50 per signup with a 20% shave
3) $25 per signup with 0% shave.

The $100 per-signup 50% shave program will still make affiliates
more money even if the shave is huge at 50%. (not saying all
$100 programs shave, and not saying all $100 programs make
more money)

You have to take into account that often shaving is part of
webmaster marketing. If webmasters demand huge payouts then
sponsors will provide those huge payouts so as to capture more
webmaster market share. They'll just shave to make to
economically sound for them to do so. Shaving isn't so much
driven by greedy theft from existing affiliates as it is by the
market demands from webmasters that are yet to signup.

Shit in the end most of us choose sponsors based on their niches
and products more then payouts anyway. If there is a site with
the content and design I need to promote and they pay good
money for my traffic. I really don't care how much they shave.

-Ben

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riosluts

Ok but do sponsors that have a high reputation shave. Like ARS or Topbucks, MaxCash, etc. Especially on the $30-35 per signup program.

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mryellow

One destinction.....

If it's a percentage program and they are not giving you a
percentage on rebills as was found with a lot of CCBill programs
recently then that's just plain wrong. Unless of course the signup
ratio is so fantastic that you can make good money off just your
cut of the first subscription fee.

-Ben

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broke

Kudos for sticking to your guns.

At the end of the day... shaving is FRAUD. I can't wait to have REAL PROOF that a sponsor is shaving me. The legal fees and judgement alone will assure they never do business again.

I have no time and/or patience for people that rip me off.

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jayeff

Threads like this make you wonder if there are ANY honest sponsors out there...

Sure it's easy to see how this particular software is problematic and unless I missed something, it's only aimed at MPA2 users. But as someone else pointed out, there are other ways to audit program honesty. And in our whole industry, still not a single sponsor uses any of them?

It's hard to believe no-one can see the edge they would get from proving their honesty. Some webmasters think an email or ICQ conversation means you know who you are doing business with. Yeah right. Others still buy into "it's the bottom line, not the shave that matters". But is it so hard to believe that auditing costs would be covered many times over, pulling in webmasters who do care that programs are honest?

beemk

good idea

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bhutocracy

Then people just say the auditors have been bought off. You can't win. Which is why I do personally subscribe to the most $ at the end of the day wins. Assume everyone shaves - whoever has the most cents per click wins. It's the *ONLY* viable thing you can do to protect your bottom line.
I wish there were an easy way.. if this thing is audited i'll try it.

AWW - Kevin

Hi Ben, this is exactly what's wrong with this industry, any sponsor reading the above will say to themself see they want to be shaved and expect to be shaved as long as they are manking bank they don't care if we cheat them!

well personally I DO CARE and i'd choose sponsor A !

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bhutocracy

I don't agree with that scenario either - but it's also unrealistic - becuase you DON'T KNOW that sponsor B is shaving - nor do you Sponsor A but your cheuque is higher with B so you go with them.

bhutocracy

I think it's the only practical thing to do without proof (and even proof isn't proof enough these days - everythings bloody doctored or so they say.)

Jellybeen

It's your fault if you get shaved?

Bullshit.

And as for thinking you're not getting shaved because you've met someone and had dinner with them and maybe even visited their offices... they're laughing so hard they're crying right now.

mryellow

Hey Kevin!

Yeah it's sad....

If I made a program tomorrow that offered $500 per signup
what's the bet I'd have a crapload of newbies signup by the end
of the day.

There is a demand here for audited non-cheating sponsors tho.
Believe me sponsors are reading this and thinking "How can we
prove we don't shave? We want those webmasters!"

-Ben

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