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kenny · 03-10-2004, 04:58 PM

Edit: 200 MAP2 scripts shaving as we speak

Dildozer · 03-10-2004, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
Edit: 200 MAP2 scripts shaving as we speak

Funny now that the code is supposedly good no other sponsors with MPA are very interested in this thread.

Don't make the finger pointing start

jayeff · 03-10-2004, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer

Funny now that the code is supposedly good no other sponsors with MPA are very interested in this thread.

Don't make the finger pointing start

True, but like a couple of others have said, why only give the MPA2 sponsors a hard time? The silence from sponsors in general is deafening every time the issue of open-ness/accountability comes up.

Nathan · 03-11-2004, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan
If we wouldn't be MPA2 competition I would look at the code or write some script myself...

But even this will not really solve the problem. I've been trying to figure out good ways about how to test reliably if a MPA2 installation is shaving or not. There sadly is no good way without logging into the DB.

What we could do is have MPA2 sponsors give REMOTE _read only_ access to webmasters, transactions and stats table and offer remote stats which just simply ignore the *_paid fields. Or, maybe even simpler, which just looks at the _paid fields and gives you a shave percentage after you login to your account there. If its remotely hosted, then it will be very safe to say its telling the truth. But of course MPA2 sponsor would have to open up read only access to some of their MPA2 tables. I do not really see a big problem in that though.

I'll say it once, and I'll say it again like you see... This is the only way to test shaving in MPA2. Installing a 3rd party's script (other than software you buy and need) somewhere is MADNESS. I would _NEVER_ do that unless it is not encrypted, you never know what it does, evenif 10 people audit it.

I can understand every sponsor that doesn't do this. I would be too scared too. My idea on the other hand, I can not understand where the problem is.

Dildozer · 03-11-2004, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff

True, but like a couple of others have said, why only give the MPA2 sponsors a hard time? The silence from sponsors in general is deafening every time the issue of open-ness/accountability comes up.

MPA2 sponsors are in the crosshairs because MPA2 is what we can test. I'd be all over ccbill sponsors if we could test them and so on.

Any of you shaving fucks tried modifying the script maybe?

Bump for the shavers ignoring this thread

Dildozer · 03-11-2004, 10:16 AM

ignoring it won't make it go away this time

Nausicaa · 03-11-2004, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer

MPA2 sponsors are in the crosshairs because MPA2 is what we can test. I'd be all over ccbill sponsors if we could test them and so on.

If someone were to create a CCBill based script, we would be more than happy to use it.

Honesty is always the best policy.

Sexy Rex · 03-11-2004, 10:33 AM

I just don't get it.

If you guys want to know who shaves and who doesn't, you only have to find 10 webmasters, ask each of them to buy a membership folowing your affiliate link with its credit card and see how many sales appear on your account (create another acount or a sub account for the test). Then they can all cancel the charges.

You don't need scripts. Buy and see if it's reported.

My

Winterverse · 03-11-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Totem Rex
I just don't get it.

If you guys want to know who shaves and who doesn't, you only have to find 10 webmasters, ask each of them to buy a membership folowing your affiliate link with its credit card and see how many sales appear on your account (create another acount or a sub account for the test). Then they can all cancel the charges.

You don't need scripts. Buy and see if it's reported.

My

Exactly what I do

mryellow · 03-11-2004, 05:23 PM

Quote:

If you guys want to know who shaves and who doesn't, you only
have to find 10 webmasters, ask each of them to buy a
membership folowing your affiliate link with its credit card and see
how many sales appear on your account (create another acount
or a sub account for the test). Then they can all cancel the
charges.

If this is a pay per signup sponsor then chances are you are
violating the terms. Don't cheat just to check that sales are all
counted.

-Ben

Dildozer · 03-12-2004, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow

If this is a pay per signup sponsor then chances are you are
violating the terms. Don't cheat just to check that sales are all
counted.

-Ben

Please there are alot of sponsors who aren't PPS who DON't want you to do test signups. Well known ones too. LOL at the ones who accept them IF you warn them PRIOR to it

On this note, any results? So many MPA2 sponsors ignoring this thread lol

In this business sponsors should be labeled shaving until proven innocent.

Tekiloved · 03-12-2004, 05:38 PM

very interesting.
popkorn ready .

mryellow · 03-12-2004, 08:39 PM

From the last page of posts I'm thinking that rather than getting
a few different auditors I'll just screenvid the whole process and
then people can review it themselves. That way if you're in doubt
you can just get someone that knows a little bit about code to
review the video and run the CRC checks and they'll see that
what was done was legit.

Anyone know a good screencap video with sound program?

-Ben

Dildozer · 03-12-2004, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
From the last page of posts I'm thinking that rather than getting
a few different auditors I'll just screenvid the whole process and
then people can review it themselves. That way if you're in doubt
you can just get someone that knows a little bit about code to
review the video and run the CRC checks and they'll see that
what was done was legit.

Anyone know a good screencap video with sound program?

-Ben

Sounds like a good idea

bhutocracy · 03-12-2004, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow

If this is a pay per signup sponsor then chances are you are
violating the terms. Don't cheat just to check that sales are all
counted.

-Ben

I've already invited people to try this with www.spydollars.com and www.gunzblazing.com except you'd need at least 20 cards because 10 signups isn't enough a program owner could have a 9% shave and not get caught... not that the 4% with 20 would be great.. but it's better accuracy..
do it sometime in the future when this has died down a little to "catch us offguard" (lol) but tell me THE DAY AFTER so I can refund all the cards.

Dildozer · 03-12-2004, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

I've already invited people to try this with www.spydollars.com and www.gunzblazing.com except you'd need at least 20 cards because 10 signups isn't enough a program owner could have a 9% shave and not get caught... not that the 4% with 20 would be great.. but it's better accuracy..
do it sometime in the future when this has died down a little to "catch us offguard" (lol) but tell me THE DAY AFTER so I can refund all the cards.

Yeah at least getting the ones below 5% wouldn't be as bad as getting the more obvious ones. They're the ones who need to get caught.

mryellow · 03-12-2004, 10:01 PM

The code needs changing so that it queries the whole database
rather than one user. If it only queries one user then that user
needs to send signups before they can see if the sponsor
shaves. Kinda defeats the purpose for sponsors as they want to
show they don't shave system-wide *before* an affiliate signs up.

Hadn't looked into one part of this... Zend... I thought you just
use the opto kit but turns out you have to buy the studio for
somewhere around $1000.

I'll change the code if someone with Zend can do a video screen
cap with sound which looks at the code and describes what it
does then uses Zend to encode and a CRC checker to generate a
checksum for the file so it can later be tested for authenticity.

If someone can do the encoding part with video then I'll fix the
code. Other than that I'm kinda sick of the idea.... Not sure I have
a good enough reason to be going out-of-my-way.

We know spydollars and gunzblazing don't shave.... It's not like
doing this will get too many more clicks on my sig or anything. It'd
just help out other sponsors that aren't in my sig. :-)

-Ben

mryellow · 03-12-2004, 10:03 PM

Quote:

They're the ones who need to get caught.

This script can't "catch" anyone.... It doesn't remotely validate a
program. The script needs to be installed on the server by the
owners of the program, so only those sponsors that don't shave
have any reason to use it.

-Ben

Bake · 03-12-2004, 10:22 PM

Sounds very interesting I would shore look at sponsors running this softwhare

Dildozer · 03-12-2004, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow

This script can't "catch" anyone.... It doesn't remotely validate a
program. The script needs to be installed on the server by the
owners of the program, so only those sponsors that don't shave
have any reason to use it.

-Ben

We need a few ground breakers. Then we need a list of MPA2 users.

This could get big if done well.
Crackdown on shavers.

Dildozer · 03-12-2004, 11:00 PM

Hell you could start a whole business on that

mryellow · 03-13-2004, 09:48 PM

blady

If I fix this so that it queries all users can you have your guy re-
encode it while running a screencap prog? They'd have to go over
the code before encoding with the screencap prog running then
CRC check it and confirm the checksum value on the video.

I'd have include code to remotely CRC check the file to make sure
it's still running the right code. Just want to know someone can
pack this before I go working on any code.

Then we could build a site that lists sponsors using it.

btw a new version of MPA is coming out.... Would be smart if
Mansion included this as optional code so that users of MPA could
confirm to their affiliates that they do not use the shave feature.
If not I'm fairly sure the database wouldn't be changed but we'd
have to test that the code works with both versions.

-Ben

Dildozer · 03-15-2004, 08:49 PM

This thread is too quiet for the potential it has.
Makes you wonder if cascading billing was the real reason most sponsors bought MPA2

Dildozer · 03-15-2004, 10:12 PM

^true^

MrJackMeHoff · 03-15-2004, 10:16 PM

as a programmer I know it wouldnt be hard for the prgram in question to attach your software to stats that are set up to be non shaving. Wouldnt change all the other poor slobs accounts. This is meaningless.

Dildozer · 03-15-2004, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
as a programmer I know it wouldnt be hard for the prgram in question to attach your software to stats that are set up to be non shaving. Wouldnt change all the other poor slobs accounts. This is meaningless.

You sound like you know what you're talking about. Who do you shhave for?

mryellow · 03-17-2004, 12:56 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

We switched Spydollars and CrotchHunter to CCBill and dropped
MPA2. The accuracy wasn't a problem. The support and attitudes
was really hard to deal with.

-Ben

Dildozer · 03-17-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

We switched Spydollars and CrotchHunter to CCBill and dropped
MPA2. The accuracy wasn't a problem. The support and attitudes
was really hard to deal with.

-Ben

What about the script?

Basic_man · 03-17-2004, 11:33 AM

Yeah right, what about the script MrYellow ?

Dildozer · 03-17-2004, 11:39 AM

hmmmmm

mryellow · 03-17-2004, 07:21 PM

No one has come back saying they can reencode it yet.

Frankly I don't want anything to do with MPA2, It sucks.

-Ben

Dildozer · 03-17-2004, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
No one has come back saying they can reencode it yet.

Frankly I don't want anything to do with MPA2, It sucks.

-Ben

Shavers... i mean MPA2 users seem to be avoiding this thread like the plague indeed

bhutocracy · 03-17-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basic_man
Yeah right, what about the script MrYellow ?

I love the fact that the ONLY sponsor to come forward to allow testing gets snide remarks made about it when one of the two programs switches over because of unrelated issues.

TheSenator · 03-17-2004, 09:48 PM

Sponsor who use MPA2...are off my list....the temptation to cheat is there....

Gothbox · 03-17-2004, 09:53 PM

So what if you knew that the sponsor running mpa2 was shaving back in november and october of 03, and had only certain people set to shave that were making over 4 sales a day?

Would it be able to go back and find that information?
Would the site owner be able to go into the database and manually change any of the information in the database that showed where he was shaving?

Wilbo · 03-28-2004, 05:50 AM

Bumpapalooza

montel · 03-28-2004, 05:55 AM

i like the idea, but if i had a program that i had poured my time and cash into i wouldnt let this little script anywhere near my critical systems. just not worth the risk of a crash and it proves nothing at the end of the day- people will still have their theories.

pornJester · 03-28-2004, 05:59 AM

MPA2 isn't the only software out there with a shave feature. If you don't trust the reputation of the people behind your sponsor program then you should choose another program to promote.

SixNine · 03-28-2004, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
blady

If I fix this so that it queries all users can you have your guy re-
encode it while running a screencap prog? They'd have to go over
the code before encoding with the screencap prog running then
CRC check it and confirm the checksum value on the video.

I'd have include code to remotely CRC check the file to make sure
it's still running the right code. Just want to know someone can
pack this before I go working on any code.

Then we could build a site that lists sponsors using it.

btw a new version of MPA is coming out.... Would be smart if
Mansion included this as optional code so that users of MPA could
confirm to their affiliates that they do not use the shave feature.
If not I'm fairly sure the database wouldn't be changed but we'd
have to test that the code works with both versions.

-Ben

SoulCash doesn't use MPA2 but, If a bullet proof shave detector like this was built I'd be interested in integrating it into our program to give new webmasters confidence in our stats.

BTW - Get paid for ALL your hard earned joins at http://www.soulcash.com/sites.htm

Pornwolf · 03-28-2004, 06:15 AM

Shaving still happens?

No shit?

Wow.

The Sex Pusher · 03-28-2004, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornJester
MPA2 isn't the only software out there with a shave feature. If you don't trust the reputation of the people behind your sponsor program then you should choose another program to promote.

bah i dont even trust your mother to catch all my cum , i certainly dont trust my boss to pay me correctly lol

Dragonsxxx · 03-28-2004, 07:47 AM

Hustlin Entertainment · 03-28-2004, 08:01 AM

No one will use it

Odin · 03-28-2004, 09:36 AM

dready · 03-28-2004, 10:46 AM

The fact that these sponsors don't trust this script is no excuse to avoid the thread. At least they could come out with some response... yet there is none.

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