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TurboAngel 03-04-2004 11:07 AM
I want the 7th page spot!



:winkwink:

StuartD 03-04-2004 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AaronM



Forget about my head...I am more interested in yours. :)
I want some too!

undermyspell 03-04-2004 02:57 PM
oooh that excites me Aaron... my number is 59075257... :winkwink:

AaronM 03-04-2004 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by undermyspell
oooh that excites me Aaron... my number is 59075257... :winkwink:

Nice....Adding you to my hotties list right away!

jasonir 03-04-2004 06:56 PM
Hey Aaron, I hope you get things worked out. :thumbsup Good luck.

AaronM 03-05-2004 10:01 AM
Good morning Rodney.

GiantGnome 03-05-2004 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by AaronM



Forget about my head...I am more interested in yours. :)


What's your ICQ number?

Damn you Aaron, you get action when youre not even trying!:Graucho :thumbsup

Tam 03-05-2004 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by AaronM
Good morning Rodney.
I'd say good morning too, but then I'd probably just get more threatening and harrassing phone calls..... :1orglaugh

So I'll say good morning to everyone else...........


GOOD MORNING PEOPLE!!!!!!! :thumbsup

ronaldo 03-05-2004 10:54 AM
Best of luck to you Aaron. Glad to hear any misunderstandings between you and Tam have been cleared up as well.

LOTS to talk about on Monday :winkwink:

StuartD 03-05-2004 02:31 PM
Rodney still has "good" mornings?

AaronM 03-05-2004 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by MaskedMan
Rodney still has "good" mornings?
Yeah well....I am working on fixing that problem too. :Graucho

Donny 03-05-2004 07:06 PM
What if Spiderman's Uncle Ben Had Lived???

Juicy D. Links 03-05-2004 07:21 PM
:glugglug

TurboAngel 03-05-2004 10:19 PM
:glugglug

Paul Markham 03-05-2004 11:10 PM
It's amazing how guys like Rodney keep going. In a country where people love to sue how is it he has not been dragged into court?

Go get him Aaron. :thumbsup

AaronM 03-05-2004 11:13 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by charly
It's amazing how guys like Rodney keep going. In a country where people love to sue how is it he has not been dragged into court?

Go get him Aaron. :thumbsup

Cost. Plain and simple. Most people don't want to shell out the bucks for a lawsuit. That's what Rodney is counting on. From the numbers I have seen....He supposedly owes people over $300,000.00 but nobody has gone after him.

It's all a matter of time. :glugglug

SleazyDream 03-05-2004 11:40 PM
it's a small business - fuck over a few people and word gets out - it pretty much ends you doing anything new

psyko514 03-05-2004 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
What if Spiderman's Uncle Ben Had Lived???
Doesn't he sell rice?

AaronM 03-06-2004 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SleazyDream
it's a small business - fuck over a few people and word gets out - it pretty much ends you doing anything new

Did you read this, Rodney?

HeadPimp 03-06-2004 11:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by GiantGnome



Damn you Aaron, you get action when youre not even trying!:Graucho :thumbsup
Waht do you expect from a true player and a stud...

bigdog 03-06-2004 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by JSA Matt


Considering they shaved about 45% off the top, from affiliates, I would say they made some money. They also enjoy stealing email lists and selling them over and over again, but thats another story :)
Whoa more drama

baddog 03-07-2004 11:10 AM
it is such a beautiful day out, I am going to pull the bike out, and my daughter and I are going to ride up to Neptune's Net

Basic_man 03-07-2004 11:15 AM
DRAMA?

Keev 03-07-2004 11:21 AM
thats what GFY is for!

some_idiot 03-07-2004 11:24 AM
I still haven't seen my PIB check for january. Think it's ever
going to get here now?

(yes I've sent them email)

AaronM 03-07-2004 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by some_idiot
I still haven't seen my PIB check for january. Think it's ever
going to get here now?

(yes I've sent them email)
Who knows? I did find this kind interesting though....I had to edit a few things out to protect this persons identity.

Session Start (ICQ - AaronM:EDITED): Sat Mar 06 14:32:04 2004
[14:32] EDITED: I found it highly amusing that after your PIB thread was released, conversions went in the toilet for PIB. Earnings went from 41 cents per click to 14 cents per click.
[14:44] AaronM: What would cause that?
[14:44] EDITED: Probably the email EDITED sent to Rodney saying Pay me or I'll fucking sue you?
[14:45] AaronM: What does an email have to do with conversions and how come EDITED did not mention that email to me?
[14:46] EDITED: Conversions have been showing steady signs that they've switched some sort of random shave days, I guess they went less random. I don't know why he didn't mention it.
[14:49] AaronM: So you are saying that they are shaving again?
[14:50] EDITED: It's what it looks like to be honest, the numbers are just too similar on "bad" days
[14:50] AaronM: Interesting. Did EDITED get a response from Rodney?
[14:50] EDITED: I'm not sure, he's been tough to get in contact with lately
[14:51] AaronM: hmmm
[14:52] EDITED: I've been out of the loop a bit but the numbers scream out that the independant audit ended last month and they went back to their dirty ways
[14:54] AaronM: Do you know if it did end last month or not?
[14:55] EDITED: I don't know for certain when it ended, I just know the really odd ratios started Feb 1st.
[14:55] EDITED: and now that i go back and look, signups have been added to certain "bad" days.
[15:34] AaronM: Too funny.
Session Close (EDITED): Sat Mar 06 15:34:08 2004

TheSpaceBulldog 03-07-2004 04:08 PM
Hey Aaron, thanks for the call bro... and the heads up :thumbsup

Fear not newbies not everyone is as crooked as the "stiffer" stated in this thread...

Can someone giveme an' amen...or better yet a bump, bump, bump bump bump, bump, bump...!!!!!!:feels-hot

AaronM 03-07-2004 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSpaceBulldog
Hey Aaron, thanks for the call bro... and the heads up :thumbsup

Fear not newbies not everyone is as crooked as the "stiffer" stated in this thread...

Can someone giveme an' amen...or better yet a bump, bump, bump bump bump, bump, bump...!!!!!!:feels-hot

Hey bro...Hit me up on ICQ...I need some info from you.

TheSpaceBulldog 03-07-2004 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AaronM
So...Here is the deal. I have tried to keep this fairly private while my attorney contacted Rodney Connor in order to reach a private settlement agreement. Today Rodney basically said he was not interested in the offer and that I should take him to court. Fine by me. While I am at it.....I will be contacting everybody that has ever been fucked over by Rodney Connor and putting them in touch with the law firm that I am working with.

What were the terms of this agreement? Simple. I want it all. Call me a greedy mother fucker but when I put a year+ of my life into something and you tarnish my name...I expect more than to get financially fucked because of your incompetence and seemingly crooked business practices.

It's a sad day when ONE of your affiliates earns 2.5 times what I got out of my own site for a single month.

The basic ORIGINAL agreement





Rodney Connor (RConn) and I entered into a joint venture where we were to divide the income from www.tonifreeland.com between the two of us. It was Rodney's job to market and finance the site and my job to produce the content for it. Our agreement also stated that should the two of us ever split ways that each of us would maintain a copy of the content for our own uses.

To date Rodney has spent roughly $24,000 (I have not added it up recently) through me for shoots, equipment, and various other business related expenses. 41 scenes and several live cam shows were produced with that money. If you break that down....it's roughly $585.00 per sceen at cost. That is 1/3 of what I would charge a regular client at the very least for reality content of this nature.

The fuck ups

IMHO, Rodney Connor has no fucking clue how to run an affiliate program. From the very beginning Tam and myself tried to get him to put the right tools in place. I contacted other respected industry people and put them in touch with Rodney so that they could assist as well. This went on from the launch of PIBCash until August of last year. During that time the ToniFreeland site was by far the biggest chunk of income from the 40+ sites in the program. It appears to me that the profits from the Toni site were used to offset the losses of the other PIBCash sites.

Since the marketing of the site was not done as well as it could have been....The site never reached anywhere near it's full potential.

At various times I have had access to the Epoch stats and then that was taken away from me, given back, taken away...etc.... I was never given access to the Admin area of PIBCash...My guess is because Rodney knew that I would go apeshit if I found out that he was shaving. From the looks of things...He even shaved my own girl friend about 45%.

For the first year or so the site was ran with no pop ups, no up-sells and was strictly a PPS program. Now...How in the fuck can you make any money like that? Rodney's words to me were "I don't want to piss off the webmasters by taking their traffic." Oh.....Hmmm...But shaving them is OK I guess.

Rodney has a nasty habit of avoiding my calls, email, ICQ's, and any other type of communications. I have returned the favor by ignoring his 20+ calls, 2 emails, and multiple ICQ attempts over the last week or so. It seems that ever since my attorney contacted him....He has wanted to speak with me one on one.

Too fucking bad. You had your chance to do honest business with me. You fucked that up and now you will deal with me on my terms. Those terms happen to be both legal ones through my attorney as well as very publicly as you can see from this thread.

I am sure that I am overlooking a shitload of other interesting details here...Like the true reason that Rodney Connor had to bail from his last hosting company, the lost checks for thousands of dollars that were mysteriously cashed...not by the affiliate who deserved it....And no fraud dispute was put in place? What Super Bowl tickets? Oh yeah...The ones you promised the top Toni Freeland affiliate without consulting with me about the cost of doing it. BTW Rodney....What ever happened to those tickets anyway?

Yes yes...So many more interesting facts that are being overlooked.

Here's a fact for you Rodney. You NEVER signed and returned the license agreement and contract that I sent you on 3 separate occasions. You told an ex-employee that you had no intentions of signing it. Guess what pal? I shot the content, I own the copyright to the content, and as per my email to you on February 24, 2004...terms of that agreement are no longer open for acceptance.

What does that mean? That means that since February 24th, you have been infringing on my copyrights. Technically speaking...You have been doing so since the launch of the site.

Even if you did sign and return the agreement prior to me withdrawing it, you were in violation of it multiple times. I also love the way that you used PhotoGreg to open a competing G/G reality based site within your own program and had the balls to put on the join page that members also got free access to Toni Freeland when they joined that site. Where is my portion of that money? Why did you not tell me you were doing that? I know that has since been changed but don't worry...Enough people saw it to back up my story.

Rodney also took away my access to the site servers and put the updates in the hand of complete idiots. I don't even want to go into the details of how badly they have fucked up the members area at this point. Then he wonders why the retention went to shit.


My intentions

Violation of my copyright comes with a very stiff penalty. Some of that will be decided in court. Your current host will be issued a DMCA letter as well as ANY host that I find you using my content on in the future. Oh yeah...I almost forgot to mention....You have a shitload of my content in DCGirls and AmateurFuckShow that you failed to submit signed licenses for. Most of that content was non-exclusive to you and you chose to ignore my license agreement and allow affiliates to use it anyway. Guess what.....No more.

I will be contacting Epoch in the morning to see what can be done through them. Not sure if there is anything they can do or not but it won't hurt to find out.

For those affiliates who are intersted...A new design for the Toni site is complete and I have full intentions on launching it on my own once I have taken care of a few other business needs.

I have a few other plans but I think I will save those details for another day. At this point...Anybody who is promoting any sites under the PIBCash program that may contain my content...I strongly suggest that you drop them now.

Rodney can hide all he wants. He can switch things over to the other company name that he has waiting for an occasion just like this....He fucked over and pissed off the wrong guy this time and I will ride this horse till it's WAY beyond dead.

BTW.....For all of those who posted well wishes for Rodney's wife in August of 2002....According to some PIBCash employees....She was never really in the hospital at all. Rodney was too afraid to go to Internext so he supposedly faked the whole thing in order to publicly avoid the embarrassment. What a nice guy to use a bogus medical situation involving his own wife for his personal gain. She must be proud.

Now...You can all take my word for this or you can doubt me. I have a funny feeling that a few people will come to this thread and post a thing or two about Rodney Connor.

All you had to do was be an honest business man Rodney. Apparently that was a bit too much to ask of you though.

OMFG...!!!!! Cuzz what the fuck is homeboy thinkin'...Oh he ain't..!!! Guess he don't know who he fucking with...

Shit everyone I introduce you to or whatnot I tell 'em str8 up AaronM ain't the one to be FUCKED with...!!!!!!!

So would this be a proper showing of sentiment for PIBCash...
OMFG...!!!!! Cuzz what the fuck is homeboy thinkin'...Oh he ain't..!!! Guess he don't know who he fucking with...

Shit everyone I introduce you to or whatnot I tell 'em str8 up AaronM ain't the one to be FUCKED with...!!!!!!!

So would this be a proper showing of sentiment for PIBCash...


HAve a nice day. :321GFY
:321GFY

jact 03-07-2004 04:25 PM
I just skimmed the entire thread, that PDF was .. wow.

rjstar 03-07-2004 04:50 PM
Well done, deserved

Quantums 03-07-2004 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
THUMBS UP TO DRAMA... Now I must go back and read. :thumbsup


This is for quiet.

http://www.hotchickpost.com/fullscreenie.jpg

where can i get that affiliate program script?

pimplink 03-07-2004 06:44 PM
Nice work. keep it up.

Juicy D. Links 03-07-2004 06:47 PM
:glugglug :glugglug

baddog 03-07-2004 06:59 PM
did you know the Girl Scouts came out with some new cookies this year?

DaLord 03-07-2004 07:09 PM
This bump is for free http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images...onedsmilie.gif

dougeetx 03-07-2004 07:18 PM
I got the popcorn!

rounders 03-07-2004 07:23 PM
crazy..assedout now

GotGauge 03-07-2004 07:30 PM
Nice Post Aaron M

I think we should start a crooked webmaster data base.
Think I will start putting one together.

www.crookedwebmasters.com

AaronM 03-07-2004 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Quantums



where can i get that affiliate program script?
RConn might be willing to sell it to you. I hear he needs to come up with a lot of money in order to pay some debts.

Could just be rumors though. :glugglug

AaronM 03-08-2004 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by GotGauge
Nice Post Aaron M

I think we should start a crooked webmaster data base.
Think I will start putting one together.

www.crookedwebmasters.com
That's been discussed before but nobody ever does it. Go for it though...It will of course make you very unpopular so be prepared for the backlash.

Rich 03-08-2004 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Quantums



where can i get that affiliate program script?
PIB Cash going out of business sale?

StuartD 03-08-2004 05:14 PM
So..... is anyone still drunk enough to promote these guys??

beemk 03-08-2004 05:19 PM
any new updates on this guy?

AaronM 03-09-2004 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by beemk
any new updates on this guy?
He's changed his ways, paid off his debts, and is now a born again christian.


....Now...Back to reality!

quiet 03-10-2004 02:42 AM
a truly facinating read.


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