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KRL · 03-01-2004, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

If you don't want to be called a liar, I suggest you stop lying.
It's one thing to have an opinion about something, quite another to bolster it with lies.

Oh, and I'm sure in the "liberal hate Bush" mind you believe he micro manages everything that goes on but in reality, government agencies can follow the law without the president telling it to do so.

What country do you live in?

Nothing major happens in Washington DC unless its greenlighted by the White House, especially on an issue as significant as this is.

Nothing.

69pornlinks · 03-01-2004, 11:23 AM

51- Taliban like laws

theking · 03-01-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

What country do you live in?

Nothing major happens in Washington DC unless its greenlighted by the White House, especially on an issue as significant as this is.

Nothing.

Your opinion is not fact...but what is fact...the title to the thread is a lie...at least at this point in time. The title to many of your threads are not backed up by fact...but are in fact...misleading...or just plain BS.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

What country do you live in?

Nothing major happens in Washington DC unless its greenlighted by the White House, especially on an issue as significant as this is.

Nothing.

I live in America where the rule of law applies and we look down on lying.
If you'd like to *believe* nothing happends without the whitehouse's involvement, that's fine. calling it fact isn't.

And If it did come from Bush, so what? its upholding the law. something I'm for and you obviously aren't.

I love the fact that you won't comment on it being a law Clinton signed.

goBigtime · 03-01-2004, 11:56 AM

That's going to make for a lot of new tension against the gays.

Sort of like in boot camp how if one guy fucks up, everyone pays....
and the guy who fucks up gets hurt.

People are going to be flaming mad over this... on both sides.

Sort of an interesting play by the gov.

hoe_vender · 03-01-2004, 11:57 AM

bush is a bitch

Roger · 03-01-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
I love the fact that you won't comment on it being a law Clinton signed.

As if Bush is known to honor laws his predecessors signed

Give me a break. You know full well that Bush is a religious nut who believes that being gay is a sin and who'll do anything in his power to stop gays from having equal rights. For him, being gay is against nature and God's will.

rounders · 03-01-2004, 12:15 PM

crazy i live in SF

itsgunna be a hectic here

Heywood Jablome · 03-01-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
I love the fact that you won't comment on it being a law Clinton signed.

I truly believe that KRL is one of the most intelligent guys on the board. He is more than intelligent enough to realize that his anti-bush threads get him a lot of sig views from both sides of the political spectrum.

broke · 03-01-2004, 12:25 PM

KRL,

What does CA law say on the issue? What does Federal law say on the issue?

Do you think that the SSA should follow the SF mayor's lead and violate both?

Tornado · 03-01-2004, 12:26 PM

Actually its about a bit more than change one's name on a SS card. Marriage is not the only way to effect a name change on your SS card.

What Bush is ACTUALLY doing is preventing anyone from claiming SSA benefits on behalf of their now legal spouse.

In short if you marry in San Francisco and 1 month later your spouse dies you dont get a single penny from the SSA. Dont be fooled, its more than the mere blocking of a name change!

Ludedude · 03-01-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by pussyluver

The Repbulicans would do well to find someone else to run! It's a bit late for that I guess.

Eh? He's the Republicans dream candidate. A puppet controlled by the conservative religious right who's unable to have a thought on his own.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Roger

As if Bush is known to honor laws his predecessors signed Give me a break. You know full well that Bush is a religious nut who believes that being gay is a sin and who'll do anything in his power to stop gays from having equal rights. For him, being gay is against nature and God's will.

as is usual for you you have no facts to back up your posts. just beliefs.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

Eh? He's the Republicans dream candidate. A puppet controlled by the conservative religious right who's unable to have a thought on his own.

hahahahaha, one minute he's micro managing everything (KRLs post) Now he's a puppet.

see how silly your arguments become?

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Tornado

What Bush is ACTUALLY doing is preventing anyone from claiming SSA benefits on behalf of their now legal spouse.

um, that should read "illegal spouse"

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Originally posted by Tornado
In short if you marry in San Francisco and 1 month later your spouse dies you dont get a single penny from the SSA. Dont be fooled, its more than the mere blocking of a name change!

right, its bocking single people from dipping into SSa money that they aren't entitled to.

Ludedude · 03-01-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

hahahahaha, one minute he's micro managing everything (KRLs post) Now he's a puppet.

see how silly your arguments become?

He's a micro-managing puppet

broke · 03-01-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

Eh? He's the Republicans dream candidate. A puppet controlled by the conservative religious right who's unable to have a thought on his own.

It's going to be so EMBARRASSING when he beats the democratic gimps again isn't it?

Ludedude · 03-01-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by broke

It's going to be so EMBARRASSING when he beats the democratic gimps again isn't it?

Yea, even more so when he shows up at some republican porn-slinger's (that's the biggest oxymoron ever) door saying thanks for the campaign contribution, now put both hands behind your back.

Tornado · 03-01-2004, 12:44 PM

12 Clicks----

Surely you've heard these words. "By the power invested in me by the State of __________.........." The authority to marry is given to each state. The marriage certificates issued in CA are in fact legal. So try reading it again the way i wrote it.

Lets not forget that his order to the SSA applies to straight people recently married in SF too. Although i reckon that isn't a problem since there are several outlying counties around SF that CAN issue recognized certificates to STRAIGHT couples.

seven · 03-01-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Your opinion is not fact...but what is fact...the title to the thread is a lie...at least at this point in time. The title to many of your threads are not backed up by fact...but are in fact...misleading...or just plain BS.

Damn! You just keep scrambling eggs. Fact is a fact, fact is not a fact but if it is to become a fact then the title of the board would become a fact but not a fact at this point of time.. better put huh?

broke · 03-01-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

Yea, even more so when he shows up at some republican porn-slinger's (that's the biggest oxymoron ever) door saying thanks for the campaign contribution, now put both hands behind your back.

That's all you got?

Maybe I should vote for one of those porn loving Democrats or Nader....

broke · 03-01-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Tornado

Surely you've heard these words. "By the power invested in me by the State of __________.........." The authority to marry is given to each state. The marriage certificates issued in CA are in fact legal. So try reading it again the way i wrote it.

You haven't read CA law in awhile have you?

They are not legal.

Not based on state law and not based on federal law.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tornado
12 Clicks----

Surely you've heard these words. "By the power invested in me by the State of __________.........." The authority to marry is given to each state. The marriage certificates issued in CA are in fact legal. So try reading it again the way i wrote it.

California state law outlaws gay marriage too.
you should stop arguing. its getting embarrassing.

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Originally posted by Tornado
Lets not forget that his order to the SSA applies to straight people recently married in SF too. Although i reckon that isn't a problem since there are several outlying counties around SF that CAN issue recognized certificates to STRAIGHT couples.

Yes, and the strait couples this effects should sue the City for breaking the law and causing them needless problems.

seven · 03-01-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
right, its bocking single people from dipping into SSa money that they aren't entitled to.

Yea really no kidding! So how much SSA money they'd be dipping into again? Yeah? That much? Oh fuck! The world is crumbling down! I was really looking forward to SSA to pay my McDonalds bill

Tornado · 03-01-2004, 12:54 PM

Broke and 12Clicks ---

Do you live in CA? Again its state authority and so far the highest court in the State says they can continue to issue them. Doubt they would do that if they weren't legal.

Enough going back and forth. Obviously you will never understand what i am saying. I thought i expressed myself clearly the first time. Make sure you dont vote.

TheJimmy · 03-01-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by twistyneck
GWB turned me into a Democrat.

you and quite a few others I know...

seven · 03-01-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Tornado
Do you live in CA? Again its state authority and so far the highest court in the State says they can continue to issue them. Doubt they would do that if they weren't legal.

Hey! You forgot? 12clicks is THE supremest court of CA

Doctor Dre · 03-01-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Wow.

The Bush Administration has ordered the Social Security Administration not to accept or allow any marital name changes even from straight couples if you got married in San Francisco because of the gay marriage issue until this issue is resolved in the courts.

That's totally fucked up for the straight couples, as well as the gay ones.

The lawyers will have a field day with this bullshit move.

The courts are going to be clogged for years cause of all this discrimination.

Bush just lost the vote of 10 % of the population . I'm happy he does cauz if he's back in the white house he will ass rape every americans so bad during the next 4 years !

broke · 03-01-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Tornado
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Do you live in CA? Again its state authority and so far the highest court in the State says they can continue to issue them. Doubt they would do that if they weren't legal.

No -- does it bother you that I know more about the law in CA than you do when you live in the state?

The state Supreme Court didn't say they could be issued... they said the would not issue an immediate halt to their issue...

Two different things.

Doctor Dre · 03-01-2004, 01:01 PM

I'm happy with every decisions that bush will loose votes with

Trippekdick · 03-01-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

nice !!

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by seven

Yea really no kidding! So how much SSA money they'd be dipping into again? Yeah? That much? Oh fuck! The world is crumbling down! I was really looking forward to SSA to pay my McDonalds bill

there's no arguing with the intelligence of *this* post.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by broke

No -- does it bother you that I know more about the law in CA than you do when you live in the state?

The state Supreme Court didn't say they could be issued... they said the would not issue an immediate halt to their issue...

Two different things.

again, lets not confuse them with facts. it makes it hard for them to think.

Roger · 03-01-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
As is usual for you you have no facts to back up your posts. just beliefs.

His actions are enough proof. If that's not enough proof for you, then I'm afraid you're just trying to create your own version of reality.

seven · 03-01-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by broke
The state Supreme Court didn't say they could be issued... they said the would not issue an immediate halt to their issue...

Two different things.

Two different things? Supreme court would not issue an immediate halt to an illegal act? Man! You crack me up lol or is it that the word "different" has a different meaning for you?

seven · 03-01-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
there's no arguing with the intelligence of *this* post.

Just as no arguing with the intelligence of *your* posts.

KRL · 03-01-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Your opinion is not fact...but what is fact...the title to the thread is a lie...at least at this point in time. The title to many of your threads are not backed up by fact...but are in fact...misleading...or just plain BS.

broke · 03-01-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by seven

Two different things? Supreme court would not issue an immediate halt to an illegal act? Man! You crack me up lol or is it that the word "different" has a different meaning for you?

You make me laugh.

What does California law say on the matter? Has the Supreme Court of CA struck down that law?

KRL · 03-01-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Heywood Jablome

I truly believe that KRL is one of the most intelligent guys on the board. He is more than intelligent enough to realize that his anti-bush threads get him a lot of sig views from both sides of the political spectrum.

broke · 03-01-2004, 01:48 PM

KRL,

Care to answer my questions?

KRL · 03-01-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

right, its bocking single people from dipping into SSa money that they aren't entitled to.

SSA Money?

I'd love to see the SSA's books. That's been the government's "we can always dip into SSA" fund for years.

There's not enough in there to cover their obligations on a forward looking basis.

That my friend is a fact. Prove me wrong on that.

MuuuuHaaaaHaaaa

Luv Ya 12clicks. The challenges are fun. I'm going to dinner. More sparring later alligator.

KRL · 03-01-2004, 02:00 PM

Laws are bullshit we all know that. Get real guys. You can turn and twist your way around laws easily in this country. Just look at our industry.

Politicians break the law every day with all their backroom corruption with special interest groups.

I don't give a damn what the law says in fact on this issue. The principle founding theme of this country was Liberty and Justice for all. Not just straight people.

If a gay couple wants to be married, it is simply not fair to discriminate and religate them to 2nd class status simply because they enjoy living, loving and having sex with a person of the same gender.

Its going to change and there is no way of stopping it now. You have tens of millions of gay people in this country. So just deal with it and accept the fact that they should have the same rights as us.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by KRL

SSA Money?

I'd love to see the SSA's books. That's been the government's "we can always dip into SSA" fund for years.

There's not enough in there to cover their obligations on a forward looking basis.

That my friend is a fact. Prove me wrong on that.

MuuuuHaaaaHaaaa

Luv Ya 12clicks. The challenges are fun. I'm going to dinner. More sparring later alligator.

ahhh, so now that you can't prove that bush is doing anything wrong, you'll now blame the "government" and attach it to Bush.
Nice try.

12clicks · 03-01-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Laws are bullshit we all know that. Get real guys. You can turn and twist your way around laws easily in this country. Just look at our industry.

Politicians break the law every day with all their backroom corruption with special interest groups.

I don't give a damn what the law says in fact on this issue. The principle founding theme of this country was Liberty and Justice for all. Not just straight people.

If a gay couple wants to be married, it is simply not fair to discriminate and religate them to 2nd class status simply because they enjoy living, loving and having sex with a person of the same gender.

Its going to change and there is no way of stopping it now. You have tens of millions of gay people in this country. So just deal with it and accept the fact that they should have the same rights as us.

KLR, we do have liberty and justice for all.

If a gay guy doesn't want to marry a woman, he has the exact same rights as a strait guy who doesn't want to marry a woman.
Marriage is about one man and one woman. Their are MANY variations of that, all are illegal.

KRL · 03-01-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

KLR, we do have liberty and justice for all.

If a gay guy doesn't want to marry a woman, he has the exact same rights as a strait guy who doesn't want to marry a woman.
Marriage is about one man and one woman. Their are MANY variations of that, all are illegal.

Well my friend you've got over 500 Million people that disagree with that one sided opinion.

CamChicks · 03-01-2004, 10:34 PM

you don't have to get married to change your name.
so this is pointless political posturing.

12clicks · 03-02-2004, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Well my friend you've got over 500 Million people that disagree with that one sided opinion.

I don't understand why you continue to lie.

500 million disagree with my last post?
I'm sure you can prove that somehow.

rett11 · 03-02-2004, 09:06 AM

What I find sorta lame is that whenever the white house speaks about the gay marriage thing, they make it sound as if the only ones supporting it are the crazy liberal judges, and that they are going against the will of the poeple('the people' being GWB, of course).

Honeyslut · 03-02-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

my english not so good.

but bush gave me a license and a greencard, maybe i fuck your white wife and assbang your little boy like a good catholic priest?

hahahahaha

You are so fucking funny !

12clicks · 03-02-2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by rett11
What I find sorta lame is that whenever the white house speaks about the gay marriage thing, they make it sound as if the only ones supporting it are the crazy liberal judges, and that they are going against the will of the poeple('the people' being GWB, of course).

If you could produce a national poll backing up your fiction you'd have an argument. as it is you have only a lie.
The majority of Americans do not support Gay marriage. period.

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