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Old 11-12-2014, 04:11 PM   #1
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I am now doing SEO...

Here is that big announcement: After turning down countless offers to do Search Engine Optimization for clients the past 15 years, I have now decided I am going to make money doing what I know how to do best: ‪SEO‬, traffic and ‪Social Media‬. Today I am launching JM Digital Marketing. We are not focusing on adult clients, nor are we shying away. If you have a brand, local business, or product you don't think is getting the exposure it deserves, I am here to help. Google killed the Yellow Pages, it is now more important than ever that people find you easily online.

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it's the main thing I've done for 15 years really, it's something I'm interested in and enjoy... so why not? I was getting asked several times a month to take on clients, but I was always just too busy for it
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it's the main thing I've done for 15 years really, it's something I'm interested in and enjoy... so why not? I was getting asked several times a month to take on clients, but I was always just too busy for it
I wasn't knocking it I promise - In fact I like that you are doing what you like doing - I need to grow a pair and do the same - 'Safe' is boring...
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I wasn't knocking it I promise - In fact I like that you are doing what you like doing - I need to grow a pair and do the same - 'Safe' is boring...
Comfort is our own worst enemy.

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I wasn't knocking it I promise - In fact I like that you are doing what you like doing - I need to grow a pair and do the same - 'Safe' is boring...
I didn't think you were knocking me, no offense taken.
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I heard Google is in the midst of a crackdown on those GSA type link profiles.

I'm still watching it shake out
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now, man, the question is, why are you looking for work, if you know seo well? if you know seo well, you can be rich in few weeks from now ... have luck anyway
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it's the main thing I've done for 15 years really, it's something I'm interested in and enjoy... so why not? I was getting asked several times a month to take on clients, but I was always just too busy for it
the game has severely changed. I hope you know what you're doing, it's a completely different ball game now... I do SEO for some clients as well, make sure you let them know a giant disclaimer that absolutely nothing is certain. You cant count on google to be somewhat stable anymore like in the old days.
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now, man, the question is, why are you looking for work, if you know seo well? if you know seo well, you can be rich in few weeks from now ... have luck anyway
and this... anybody who really kicks ass in seo isn't working for clients. I had SEO on lock as well 5 years ago, since the penguins & pandas all went to shit.
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now, man, the question is, why are you looking for work, if you know seo well? if you know seo well, you can be rich in few weeks from now ... have luck anyway
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and this... anybody who really kicks ass in seo isn't working for clients. I had SEO on lock as well 5 years ago, since the penguins & pandas all went to shit.
I use to think that but I've since changed my mind. If you know SEO and can sell, taking clients is the smart thing to do.

And those who really "kiss ass" have been doing so for the past couple of years.
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All mainstream SEO companies use automation. I've had at least ten of them try to pitch me for one thing or another. I don't tell them that I know SEO till the end. It's awesome to blow their mind with all the jargon and SEO space acronyms. Every one of them cops to using GSA/SER, etc. etc./ Blackhatting tactics when it's all said and done.

I've learned that the "ignorance of the client" is essential in them keeping the story going long term. They'll automate some tiers and set up some WP PBNs and show some ranking movements, maybe put the clients on the first page for some terms that aren't competitive.

The second thing that is important is to not take clients in super competitive verticals, and if you do, you better not promise them the moon; and have performance clauses in your contracts. Automation is only going to carry a term so far. Google will catch on eventually and the sites are cooked. Automation should only be done on domains you don't want to keep long term.

The bottom line is that building organic links that are NOT spam, and NOT designed to trick the algorithms is a challenge these days. It's time consuming, it's expensive, and it takes a hell of a lot more links to overcome the rest of the spam that is out there currently ranking. 301ing expired domains with IBLs from authority sites still works, but is another challenge in itself.

Trying to SEO white hat is a uphill battle that few will still even attempt. There are only so many hours in the day.

The thing that really puts the 'link spammers" cap on them is when they only want to charge you 800 bucks a month. There are at least 300 of these agencies that I could point out in the LA area alone.

It's gotten VERY challenging as of late. Spam still works though.

My stuff is still ranking in mainstream, and it's ALL automation. It's pure luck. Can't believe that Google hasn't caught it. They will though. When they do, I will start over.


Good luck Jay. Always do shit that you are passionate about. Everything else will just suck your soul dry.
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All mainstream SEO companies use automation. I've had at least ten of them try to pitch me for one thing or another. I don't tell them that I know SEO till the end. It's awesome to blow their mind with all the jargon and SEO space acronyms. Every one of them cops to using GSA/SER, etc. etc./ Blackhatting tactics when it's all said and done.

I've learned that the "ignorance of the client" is essential in them keeping the story going long term. They'll automate some tiers and set up some WP PBNs and show some ranking movements, maybe put the clients on the first page for some terms that aren't competitive.

The second thing that is important is to not take clients in super competitive verticals, and if you do, you better not promise them the moon; and have performance clauses in your contracts. Automation is only going to carry a term so far. Google will catch on eventually and the sites are cooked. Automation should only be done on domains you don't want to keep long term.

The bottom line is that building organic links that are NOT spam, and NOT designed to trick the algorithms is a challenge these days. It's time consuming, it's expensive, and it takes a hell of a lot more links to overcome the rest of the spam that is out there currently ranking. 301ing expired domains with IBLs from authority sites still works, but is another challenge in itself.

Trying to SEO white hat is a uphill battle that few will still even attempt. There are only so many hours in the day.

The thing that really puts the 'link spammers" cap on them is when they only want to charge you 800 bucks a month. There are at least 300 of these agencies that I could point out in the LA area alone.

It's gotten VERY challenging as of late. Spam still works though.

My stuff is still ranking in mainstream, and it's ALL automation. It's pure luck. Can't believe that Google hasn't caught it. They will though. When they do, I will start over.


Good luck Jay. Always do shit that you are passionate about. Everything else will just suck your soul dry.
That's a pretty good idea of what I thought SEO agencies were about and what I thought SEO was these days - an uphill battle. I remember thinking to myself that it is almost impossible to get as many 'natural,' non spammy links as one needs to rank first without spending 25 hours per day in work and $5k in link buying.

You seem to know more than I do and I thought it was a well written post.
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That's a pretty good idea of what I thought SEO agencies were about and what I thought SEO was these days - an uphill battle. I remember thinking to myself that it is almost impossible to get as many 'natural,' non spammy links as one needs to rank first without spending 25 hours per day in work and $5k in link buying.

You seem to know more than I do and I thought it was a well written post.
Thanks. I know a little bit. I'm no expert for sure.

The big tell for most of the SEO companies out there is when you hear them say "SEO Expert".

There is no such thing. Expert is defined as "a person who has a comprehensive and authoritative knowledge of or skill in a particular area". It's not possible for someone to be an expert. Experts don't guess at things. Experts have definitive knowledge.

It's not possible to have "authoritative" knowledge about Google. No SEOs work there, and no Google employees even know enough to share how anything works. That is the Google way. They clearly share nothing about how the engine works. All SEO knowledge is gained by trial and error, and whatever you believe from Google's red herring spokesmen and SEO industry talking heads.

"SEO Professional" are the guys you want to work with. "A person engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime."

I never really understood someone calling themselves an SEO expert.

Imagine if you were playing a game against someone. The person you're competing against doesn't tell you the rules of the game. You have to guess. The person you're competing against changes the rules anytime they want in their favor. You have to guess at the new rules. The person you're competing against applies the rules differently to different players on the field. The person kicks you out of the game for breaking the rules that you don't even know. That person is Google. That is SEO.



Anyway, Jay is an SEO professional, he knows his shit, and I don't need to jack a thread to bitch about smoke and mirrors from SEO companies.

Back to the topics at hand.
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I am now doing SEO...

Visit us at: http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/
Does SEO know? J/K

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now, man, the question is, why are you looking for work, if you know seo well? if you know seo well, you can be rich in few weeks from now ... have luck anyway

SEO = improve your rankings in general. Not guaranteed top 3 for best keywords.
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Google "SEO"

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Hire someone on the front page

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