Can you compete with a mailer? - GoFuckYourself.com

jact · 02-18-2004, 04:42 PM

Was having a discussion with someone the other day, and it came up that people who run galleries, or tgps or free sites or avs upsells or whatever can't compete with a mailer with a productive list. Do you think it's possible? Discuss.

stocktrader23 · 02-18-2004, 04:43 PM

TGP owners can't even come close to real mailers.

dig420 · 02-18-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by jact
Was having a discussion with someone the other day, and it came up that people who run galleries, or tgps or free sites or avs upsells or whatever can't compete with a mailer with a productive list. Do you think it's possible? Discuss.

not in terms of raw joins, but since bulk mailing is at heart a scam and becoming illegal they'll beat you in the long run.

not ALL bulk mailers are scammers, but it's a scammy type of thing and even the 'good' ones won't be able to resist that easy money they're used to when it's no longer legal.

I could be wrong.

Trax · 02-18-2004, 04:58 PM

yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day

same with se spammers

Fred Zeppelin · 02-18-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by dig420

not in terms of raw joins, but since bulk mailing is at heart a scam and becoming illegal they'll beat you in the long run.

not ALL bulk mailers are scammers, but it's a scammy type of thing and even the 'good' ones won't be able to resist that easy money they're used to when it's no longer legal.

I could be wrong.

Your wrong.
Have you heard of the CanSpam law?
Went into effect January 1 2004, signed by George W. Bush.
Spam is legal as long as you follow a couple of requirements.

AdultNex · 02-18-2004, 05:30 PM

IMO, mailers cannot compete with TGP galleries, AVS, or freesites.

However, it is a tricky business to get into, and the consequences for taking a step into the wrong place are very high.

strobi · 02-18-2004, 05:33 PM

no I can't

jact · 02-18-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex
IMO, mailers cannot compete with TGP galleries, AVS, or freesites.

However, it is a tricky business to get into, and the consequences for taking a step into the wrong place are very high.

Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?

CAHEK · 02-18-2004, 05:36 PM

mailer=spammer ?

jact · 02-18-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by CAHEK
mailer=spammer ?

It's a fine line, but I'm talking about opt-in, legit mailers.

xanx · 02-18-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Trax
yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day

same with se spammers

TRAX, do you have ICQ ?

AdultNex · 02-18-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by jact
It's a fine line, but I'm talking about opt-in, legit mailers.

Legit opt-in mailers? Good luck finding some.

Everyone buys or trades lists these days.

Veterans Day · 02-18-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by jact
Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?

exactly, I dont see the best gallery-freesite-tgp guy competing even remotely close with a real mailer

AdultNex · 02-18-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by strobi
no I can't

I'm surprised you wouldn't be close to competing, you had more than a handful of good SE listings (and still do).

AdultNex · 02-18-2004, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact
Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?

The stats for a run-of-the-mill webmaster is a bit overstated. I'm thinking 150 sales a month sounds reasonable (averaging about 4 sales a day).

strobi · 02-18-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex

I'm surprised you wouldn't be close to competing, you had more than a handful of good SE listings (and still do).

Well I do mailings too (own harvested double optin) doing 6K$/mailing (200 joins)... it's a start

And the google thingie.. no way near 100 joins/day. Not by a long shot

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex

The stats for a run-of-the-mill webmaster is a bit overstated. I'm thinking 150 sales a month sounds reasonable (averaging about 4 sales a day).

Really that low? Damn, I guess more people need to go back to McD's.

AdultNex · 02-18-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by jact
Really that low? Damn, I guess more people need to go back to McD's.

I know that's where I was at whenever I first started into this industry.

500 is a bit too high, considering at $30 a sale, that's like $15,000/month.

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex

I know that's where I was at whenever I first started into this industry.

500 is a bit too high, considering at $30 a sale, that's like $15,000/month.

Wow, I was so out of the loop doing the content thing for 3 years I lost touch with it. Crazy!

Rorschach · 02-18-2004, 06:10 PM

Apart from the money thing... the work for (SE) spamming is so much more bearable (and interesting) than the daily grind of running TGPs.

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:12 PM

dig

i'll take a prepay off you for some signups, if you have any money that isn't tied up in floppy projects

mind you, even if i did scam you, you wouldn't notice because your so high and cracked out all the time

look its jact! my favourite "let's make up imaginary numbers and bill them for it!"

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by DollahDave

look its jact! my favourite "let's make up imaginary numbers and bill them for it!"

Imaginary my ass. Don't you have some scams you could be pulling you worthless piece of shit?

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:19 PM

Yes,
My bible scam. It is a unique scam, composed by one of the nets biggest thiefs.

I see you have internet jact, welfare cheques must be coming through like clockwork!

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DollahDave
Yes,
My bible scam. It is a unique scam, composed by one of the nets biggest thiefs.

I see you have internet jact, welfare cheques must be coming through like clockwork!

It hasn't come in yet, boy do I ever hope they don't cut me off! I wasn't able to pay them last month!

Idiot.

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:23 PM

I have a problem with your website.
For some reason the totals don't make sense?

JactContent.com
"Your shopping cart contents
Product Name Price Remove Item
Ayesha #13 $4.00 Remove
Judes #3 $7.00 Remove
TOTAL $11.00
Price we will REALLY bill you for, $1100.00

This purchase will earn you 11 JRP which you may redeem for even more content!
"

This is what i am talking about!

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DollahDave
I have a problem with your website.
For some reason the totals don't make sense?

JactContent.com
"Your shopping cart contents
Product Name Price Remove Item
Ayesha #13 $4.00 Remove
Judes #3 $7.00 Remove
TOTAL $11.00
Price we will REALLY bill you for, $1100.00

This purchase will earn you 11 JRP which you may redeem for even more content!
"

This is what i am talking about!

I'd like some of whatever it is you're smoking.

dailyduke · 02-18-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex

Legit opt-in mailers? Good luck finding some.

Everyone buys or trades lists these days.

I have never bought or traded a list or a name
all my names are double opt and I know where I collect em from

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:27 PM

Jact,

Maybe your programmer is high. Wait, you can't afford a programmer, who's script did you steal for the shopping cart?

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by DollahDave
Jact,

Maybe your programmer is high. Wait, you can't afford a programmer, who's script did you steal for the shopping cart?

There was a clearance sale on at K-Mart that day. Lucky for me welfare checks had just come in!

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:29 PM

I'm gonna report you to welfare, you seem to be overcharging people alright...

Rorschach · 02-18-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by dailyduke

I have never bought or traded a list or a name
all my names are double opt and I know where I collect em from

You'd be in a vast minority then.

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DollahDave
I'm gonna report you to welfare, you seem to be overcharging people alright...

We don't share workers anymore, do you need my workers number?

DollahDave · 02-18-2004, 06:35 PM

I've never needed financial assistance

I would just call up your wife and hoe her out, although she wouldn't make me much being the fat lazy biotch she is

PMdave · 02-18-2004, 06:35 PM

to go back on topic: yes there are legit honest mailers outthere too! people who work their ass off to get some nice join4free sites up with real niche specific content for the surfer.

Nothing as good as a fresh list of niche specific emails! Anyone who trades their legit list is crazy IMHO

brand0n · 02-18-2004, 06:38 PM

u guys wanna smoke 1? i dont really care about mailers or anything right now. just more conserned with this green

so whats up, what u doing tonight? anything of intrest?

jact · 02-18-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by DollahDave
I've never needed financial assistance

I would just call up your wife and hoe her out, although she wouldn't make me much being the fat lazy biotch she is

Yeah, you're my hero.

teomaxxx · 02-19-2004, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Trax
yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day

same with se spammers

maybe question for good guy sleazy dream. why arent you here bitching about your VIP ELITE TGP parties and bitching about your position on sextracker?
Lesson learned, dont use sextracker as your source of own success, there is not a lot of money in it:-)

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02-18-2004, 06:12 PM	#21
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	dig i'll take a prepay off you for some signups, if you have any money that isn't tied up in floppy projects mind you, even if i did scam you, you wouldn't notice because your so high and cracked out all the time look its jact! my favourite "let's make up imaginary numbers and bill them for it!" Last edited by DollahDave; 02-18-2004 at 06:14 PM..

02-18-2004, 06:38 PM	#35
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	u guys wanna smoke 1? i dont really care about mailers or anything right now. just more conserned with this green so whats up, what u doing tonight? anything of intrest? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

02-18-2004, 04:42 PM	#1
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	Can you compete with a mailer? Was having a discussion with someone the other day, and it came up that people who run galleries, or tgps or free sites or avs upsells or whatever can't compete with a mailer with a productive list. Do you think it's possible? Discuss. __________________ Free agent

02-18-2004, 04:58 PM	#4
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	yep correct good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day same with se spammers

02-18-2004, 05:30 PM	#6
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	IMO, mailers cannot compete with TGP galleries, AVS, or freesites. However, it is a tricky business to get into, and the consequences for taking a step into the wrong place are very high.

02-18-2004, 05:33 PM	#7
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	no I can't

02-18-2004, 06:10 PM	#20
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	Apart from the money thing... the work for (SE) spamming is so much more bearable (and interesting) than the daily grind of running TGPs.

02-18-2004, 06:19 PM	#23
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	Yes, My bible scam. It is a unique scam, composed by one of the nets biggest thiefs. I see you have internet jact, welfare cheques must be coming through like clockwork!

02-18-2004, 06:23 PM	#25
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	I have a problem with your website. For some reason the totals don't make sense? JactContent.com "Your shopping cart contents Product Name Price Remove Item Ayesha #13 $4.00 Remove Judes #3 $7.00 Remove TOTAL $11.00 Price we will REALLY bill you for, $1100.00 This purchase will earn you 11 JRP which you may redeem for even more content! " This is what i am talking about!

02-18-2004, 06:27 PM	#28
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	Jact, Maybe your programmer is high. Wait, you can't afford a programmer, who's script did you steal for the shopping cart?

02-18-2004, 06:29 PM	#30
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	I'm gonna report you to welfare, you seem to be overcharging people alright...

02-18-2004, 06:35 PM	#33
DollahDave So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 210	I've never needed financial assistance I would just call up your wife and hoe her out, although she wouldn't make me much being the fat lazy biotch she is

02-18-2004, 06:35 PM	#34
PMdave Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,517	to go back on topic: yes there are legit honest mailers outthere too! people who work their ass off to get some nice join4free sites up with real niche specific content for the surfer. Nothing as good as a fresh list of niche specific emails! Anyone who trades their legit list is crazy IMHO