Please tell me you are joking? If not what was all this about?

Keep in mind..

Epoch was one of the few processors who
kicked out programs with high chargebacks and countless
problems several years ago.

iBill opened their doors by saying.. COME ONE COME ALL!

iBill can kiss my ass, they fucked me 3 times in 2003
for 15k and all of it was their screw ups.

I send 90% of my sales to Epoch and 10% to CCBill.

In my opinion one has to be really stupid to still use a 3rd party processor when he makes 3 mil/mon then again if a person is stupid he couldn't possibly make 3 mil/mon. So basically, please let people inflate a number as long as they stay within a limit :winkwink:

hmm
ccbill has been very conservative in comparison to other billing company's..

id find it hard to believe they would go under..

You want me to tell the story of how that happened and bring the Netpond posts that started it? And you wanna tell everyone how you and I worked together to create a join page that was so good that someone stole it a month later?

Hoop, I love you (amazing we've come that far lol), and I dont think you meant to start this like it is, and you know what? I havent read anything past the post I quoted -- if its all over and done with then I apologize for dragging it on but you are quick to temper and so am I :)

So now I'm gonna go back and read and if I owe you an apology when I'm done, then you'll get it.

if not all,the majority of the biggest sponsors use 3rd-part processors

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Originally posted by integrated
the big question is when will visa/master card go out of business?

adult industry is the biggest revenue streams for them so if they cut us off they will go down too
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YOU ARE ON CRACK.

Yeah I'd go with 'a' too.. he prolly knows something that even God himself doesn't know about yet.. since ccbill liked him so much they just told him all their business secrets even let him audit them.. uh no it was actually VISA. I say VISA loves him spills all their secret in his ears :helpme C'mon man he already told you that he's got beef with CCBill for whatever reason and he's taking it on 'em now he's done with 'em that's all.

this is about ccbill, i was merely pointing out that they arent as professional as they would like us to believe in response to all the "ccbill is a conservative bastion of moral and financial righteousness" posts.

all i'm pointing out is that everybody has a history.

good thing about being me is that nobody has to prove i'm a dick.. it's obvious :)

not advisable !

i remember that. you dont have anything to apologize for kk.

it's funny how pisses go, every piss ends up being rememberd like a vacation.. no matter how ugly it is, eventually somebody looks back on it with fond memories :)

Think most use their own merchant account with gateway service from 3rd parties kinda like netbilling.. diff story.

Wow this is a funny post.

I don't know about Hoopers statements about CCbill but this I do know:

1. Adult internet is a small, small, small part of Visa's revenue. They give fuck all about us in the grand scheme of things.

2. Of course you can process over 250K a month with either Visa/MC. Shit if that was the most a company could process none of us would be around. I know AFFILIATES that make that much, let alone a whole program.

3. Most large programs use 3rd party billing and they do millions per month. There's isn't anything stupid about using a 3rd party biller if you're doing 3 million a month. Hustler processes with Jettis in fact.

Just my :2 cents:

Wiseman clearing throat, AMEN!!!! YOU ARE A FUCKING DICK!!!!

Hmm, that might be true. You've got me curious now. I'm gonna have to ask the big hochos how we do it, lol.

Woah shit, monkeys are flying out of my ass.

at least be forthright about why most of the biggest programs use 3rd party billing and how they wound up using it.

but i agree, the 250k cap is something that was just pulled out of somebody's butt.

Hustler pocesses Jettis too right? Btw, 250k cap is simply wrong, ain't no such cap.

Sort of. Ken Lawson owns Jettis. He also owns Webquest which runs FlyntDigital (Hustler.com).

But they are techniqually 2 totally seperate companies I think. But I don't know for sure, not my department, lol

A lot of programs that do millions a month still use a third party processor. They just negotiate the rate much lower than everyone else.

Just think for a second.... if you are moving millions a month and have a nice rate through a third party that TAKES ALL THE RISKS FOR YOU, don't you think you'd do it?

No question.

I cannot fucking believe some guys making money in porn. I would not be surprised if CCBill would sue your ass Hooper.

If they were go under they can actually claim it was part fault of a slander post by you on the biggest adult webmaster board and you would be liable as many non adult judgements have proven.


Your post obviously is just done to hurt them because you are pissed you have to change processors. If CCBill would have to go out of CC processing there would be others to fall as well with no 3rd party CC billing left. Checks, 900 billing and dialers would be the only alternatives to bill and if I remember right CCBill offers all 3 of those options.

CCBill actually processes for your celeb sites?

Hmmmmm.....

So there you go 3rd party is really a 1st party there lol. Btw, I gotta take this back.. there may in fact be a cap by an issuing bank (not VISA/MC) depending on individual/business, their business model and other shit according to a friend of mine with multiple merchant accounts.

Yep Donovan, well said :)

what he said !

the day one of the top3 go under is a real bad day for the adult biz !

tickles, doesnt it?

:sleep

I dont think they've been fined in a while.

I agree.

it's only LIBEL it it's not true

Im not saying its true though

151 people who can't spell the word "seen" correctly. :glugglug

From what I have researched, the adult BIZ accounts for less than 3% of VISA's total revenue.

and that 3% accounts for over 90% of the fraud..

We are a pain in the ass for them.. CCBILL, IBILL, EPOCH, etc make it much better for VISA to manage that fraud instead of spreading it out over 20+ 3rd party billers and umpteen merchant accounts.

The only problem I have with ccbill is with the cookies ccbill sends me too just like lightspeed, they are too damn good and screw up my diet regiments :-)

or "haven't" ;)

i don't know what you've heard or where you've done your research, but the online adult business does not account for 90% of credit card fraud. not even 90% of online credit card fraud.

also to even utter that online adult is 3 perent of visa business is just foolish

I got my information from Visa Royal Bank when I had a merchant account that I used for my sites Prior to Moneris taking over and dealing the death blow to us Canadians.

Sleazy think about it your self!

Look at your VISA bill. add up your ADULT subscription transactions and devide that by your total visa bill.

For me its less than .01% of my transactions for the entire year

Now take the other 100's of Millions of cards holders who NEVER pay for porn online and those who do.

In order to be more than 3% that would mean a good percentage of everyone pays for porn online

The math doesnt add up. Visa could not care less

i work for Visa in a Canadian bank. i can tell you that the 90% number is dead wrong.

when someone steals or clones a credit card, they do not go out and max the card on porn sites. they buy goods that can be fenced.

a $1K computer purchased fraudulently is the equivalent of of 50 $20 porn memberships purchased fraudulently.

we recently lost $25K CDN on one single fraud case a few weeks ago. not a single transaction involved online porn.

be more like .3% if that
:glugglug