goBigtime

100 Coffee enemas.

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richard123

I use Apple Cider vinegar. After 7 years of spending a FORTUNNE on Nizoral 2%, it's llike..... Why the FUCK didn't my dermatologist just TELL ME?????????????????????????????????????????

It's (apparently) common knowledge that apple cider vinegar (the raw stuff) is the best treatment there is for seborrheic dermatitis.

Not only do I save hundreds of dollars a year, it WORKS! Where did I have to go to find out about it? Yahoo Groups

bluff

If the market demands, following promotion by quacks, private insurance companies will cover alternative treatments (some do). I just hope my taxes will never be spent on such nonsense.

richard123

I've tried coffee enemas. I wouldn't really recommend them because it will freak you out. Imagine this: I was fasting for 7 days (i.e. nothing at all to eat). Then I decided (just for the hell of it) to try a cofee enema. I had had regular enemas and colenemas twice daily for the 7 days and there was *nothing* left in my intestines.

Then.... you take the coffee enema and all hell breaks loose. Literally
Truly amazing stuff... But it didn't do anything long term stuff, and I hear it can be bad if done too often.

goBigtime

Yeah I have heard that rinsing with ACV is one of *the best* treatments for dandruff and various dermatitis.

But mounds of anecdotal evidence & room full of people who no longer have problems with dermatitis will not be enough to convince the participants of a dermatology trade show.

It has to go throught he proper multi-million dollar channels or it just doesn't work.

Got it?

goBigtime

How much cream and sugar do you use?

bluff

Well said, and absolutely right

richard123

My dermatologist goes to Tuscany every year (paid for by xyz drug company) for "seminars". unfortunately producers of ACV can't afford that kinda expense. Probably just as well.

One thing I have learnt: You have to take responsibility for your own health and do *time consuning* and *intensive* research and try lots of maaad stuff. Even (horror!!) colloidal silver and stuff

Tipsy

Until that most you *almost* had a two sided debate going. Then you show yourself as the fucking idiot you really are. It'd be funny if it wasn't on this particular subject. Do as Bluff suggests and do some research. You have proven yourself to have no real clue about the subject in hand so why keep arguing?

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richard123

Short black is the way to go

goBigtime

Oh boy.. here we go.

Look Bluff, this has ALREADY happened.

Go read up on Linus Pauling.

Do you want to call Linus Pauling a Quack?



TONS of research conducted by the Linus Pauling Institute, even more anecdotal evidence ( = real people, real stories) treating and curing heart disease high dosage Lysine + Vitamin C.

Depending on how you calculate it, "Heart Disease" is a many hundreds of billions of dollar a year industry.

Do you think they would really let huge chunks of industry just disappear to a cheap and readily available treatment of Lysine & Vitatmin C?

Think about that for a minute.

Regardless if you believe it or not, let's pretend it was a 100% cure for 80% of 'heart disease' cases.

Do you think they would give it up those recurring hundreds of BILLIONS without a fight? For the good of man?

bluff

you don't seem to realise the pharmaceutical industry and the medical world are not one

richard123

That's actually been proven already. They are. The only problem is that they *think* that they aren't.

Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2946276.stm

bluff

get me the proof hehe

slackologist

"Essiac Tea - A Native Herbal Canker Remedy. Original Ojibwa Medicine Man's Recipe given to Renie Caisse in 1922"

dont know if that's been posted already.

goBigtime

"I just hope my taxes will never be spent on such nonsense"

Damn. That makes me mad.

It makes me mad because I know for a fact that you don't know shit about ESSIAC or any of the other things talked about here.

You didn't look at its history, or composition, or the people who claim they have been helped by it.

All you did was basically say "If they don't teach it in med school - it doesn't exist".




Now go back and think about the hundred billion dollar Linus Pauling question.

Why do you suppose some things done make it to your text books?


Without knowing shit about something, you're not even open to the idea that it might help people.

richard123

I edited my post to add the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2946276.stm

That's just one article. There are many others. In spite of popular opinion, doctors are just human like the rest of us

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Jedimaster

I got Lymphatic cancer when I was 23

There was a growth the size of a ping pong ball in my neck and chest.

I went to 2 Doctors,,and both said I had a virus,,thus the swelling of the glands. They both called it "an upper respitory infection"

After 4 weeks,,,It still did not clear up and went to a 3rd doctor. That Doctor literally freaked out when he saw what was going on and ordered a biopsy that day. The next morning I was told I was already in stage 2 of the disease since it had wraped itself around the base of my brain,,,extending down to my lungs.

I started chemo 4 days later.

The morning after my 1st treatment,,,the tumors had reduced in size by almost 3/4. After seeing the results I had continue with the treatment, despite the pain and vomiting.

So I had to endure 1 year of chemo followed by 6 months of radiation.

My advice:

1. After you get a 2nd opinion,,,get a 3rd,,,4th,,,5th and so on. Doctors can be wrong but they will never admit it,,EVER!

2. Radiation is 10X worse than Chemo IMHO - With chemo you feel like crap for a day,,,but with radiation,,your insides actually get a severe 2nd degree sunburn,,your skin falls off,,and your hair never grows back.

bluff

I happen to have checked out the ESSAIC page actually. I found nothing that guides me to a conclusion in their advantage. I suppose things make it to my text books because they have been proven effective (not all, btw).

slackologist

chemo is like removing a leech with a sledge hammer.. pretty sad technology considering all the other things we can do in 2004.

goBigtime

And you don't seem to realize that they are.

Why do you think everything is being condensed down to HMOs?

goBigtime

I spent a couple full days investigating it, not a couple minutes.

bluff

again I see no proof for your statement that the med. world an pharma are one. Yes, meds are influenced, that may be true, and it's regrettable. But by far not all research is done by the pharmaceutical industry!

bluff

I'm not sure what to compare an HMO with in my country

slackologist

sooner or later some of the big pharma companies will start pushing more natural remedies - just like mcdonalds salad menu. possibly due to demand / competition / threat of mass legal action somewhere in the future or a combination of all and/or other motivations.

richard123

Fair enuuff - it probably (definitely?) wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
But.... when you look at all the circimstantial evidence and the dodgy history of "research" conducted - especially well documented in the area of psychology - most people would agree that doctors are not to be trusted unless they can prove 100% completely that they have no links with drug companies.

There surely are some doctors that are honest and unbiased. But you'd have to wonder why any sane individual should start doing trials on (for example) apple cider vinegar when there's *no money* in it. The doctor would have to pay out of his own pocket, and it's just never gonna happen.
And the apple growers (by the way) make far more $$$ selling the apples rather than the vinegar

goBigtime

And do you think that is right?


You probably do.

You probably think that the multi-million dollar processes that are put in place protect people from bad side effects.

Like... I dunno.. maybe the ACV could burn into your skull and give you brain damage that would specifically cause you to believe alternative medicine was the only way to go.

Sound about right?


I understand why the FDA has it's drug approval process.

But what about in the case of unpatentable things that have already been used for nearly 100 years.

I mean we know of plenty of things that cause cancer & the various organizations just take the money from they lobbyist middlemen and look the other way....

Why front like they are trying to protect us on something as silly as apple cider vinegar for dandruff treatment?

Why can't they just make a public statement like they do with the wonderful food pyramid?

Why can't they just say:

They wont do it because it's an economy killer of course.

I'm not sure how much people spend on anti-dandruf products, but I'm sure its a hell of a lot with some big influential companies involved.

You don't win elections by getting your campaign contributors products phased out due to lack of demand.

kowntafit

Cancer is scary, if i got I got it I would make the most of my life. I dont think I could handle it. I would go crazy.

goBigtime

Have you ever SEEN a pharma sales girl?



They hire the hottest and brightest girls (and probably guys, for lady doctors) in the world to pitch the doctors.

I know a pharma girl.

LoL...the marketing involved, it's no joke.

slackologist

true, there's billions in them there bottles.

goBigtime

Ugh sorry to hear man

Good advice on getting 2,3,4,5 opinions when you know somethign is wrong. Doctors are stubborn idiots sometimes.


I have a growth on a rib on my back right now.... doctor says it's my rib, nothing to worry about.

I say it hurts and tingles and I have other neurological symptoms. He says "do you use the computer a lot?" I say "Yeah.. its my job." He nods and says "See?"

See what? See my foot stomping your cryptic fucking doctor head?


See, that's why I don't like Doctors Bluff


Nevermind the fact I've been having immune problems they can't figure out for 3 years (him included).

slackologist

*ding* next Dr Please.

goBigtime

Yeah I'm about to go speed doctoring session.

Like speed dating, with doctors.

Actually I'm going to make a 2 page timeline and summary of my medical history since nobody seems to care to go over the 30-50 actual pages before making suggestions.

All they want is the $200 for the session and no responsibility.

goBigtime

I stopped looking at colloidal silver when I found out it can turn you blue. (la la lalalala...)

But some people swear by it I guess.

bluff

yes, thats a l l t h e y w a n t

Of course, because the only thing doctors are interested in is money