jennycards

Since end of Dec. 2003 I bought some traffic from several sources.
Traffic sources are sorted by an undisclosed "magic" quality figure calculated from all other figures.

Do you believe this is a legit base for buying traffic in the future? Any comments?

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Explanation:

1+ Clicks: Percentage of visitors clicking at least one of the links on my site

5+ Clicks: Percentage of visitors clicking at least five of the links on my site

Different IPs: Best would be 100% different IPs

N. American: Anything else than North American traffic does not convert for me. If possible I am always buying country filtered traffic.

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Digipimp

Fuck all that post how many sales you made off of each and how much you made per click or something like that.

Most of us already know that most traffic brokers sell shit skimmed reject traffic that they've already skimmed all the sales off of.

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jennycards

1) Sales figures are not part of this publication. Sorry.

2) I believe my figures show that there are huge differences in the value of some traffic. Apparently not all brokers sell shit. But some do.

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pussyluver

Jenny, How was the ROI? Got the google screw and will have to buy traffic to get things rolling again.

pussyluver

Doesn't have to be sales figures. Was it worth it to you?

CyberTraffic

That's interesting..

Digipimp

According to your stats they all sold you shit traffic. A high CTR doesn't do you a lot of good when it's not coming from N America. And Google and Sex.com aren't considered traffic brokers.

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pussyluver

And the best place for good traffic?

Digipimp

The best place is to make direct deals on your own, but that's not always easy to do. The next best thing is to be a pain in the ass and make sure you can verfiy what you are going to get from a traffic broker but that's not always easy.

So ultimately you can make a little money off anything if you know what you're getting ahead of time. Bookmarkers don't hurt, and boune the brokers traffic and fucking sell that shit yourself back to someone else. And be wary of converting good on a small order with a traffic broker so that you're suckered in for a big order only to get fucked.

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jennycards

Correct. But as you can see there are some sources with lots of U.S. traffic ... and some with lots of Chinese traffic.

By the way: I am not saying Chinese traffic is bad. It's just bad for me.

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CyberTraffic

I don't understand why companies (or people in general) consider customers who ask a lot of questions and request a verification or information on what they're getting a "pain in the ass".

If it were'nt for customers, those companies would'nt run. Plus, it's your right to feel comfortable before spending your hard-earned money.

Digipimp

Yes, and neither of them had over a 10% CTR. Like I said google and sex.com are not traffic brokers like the guys you see here selling traffic. You will get good CTR with them because you're not getting skimmed traffic from a broker.

Ultimately it's all about how much per k and how much you made off of it and none of this other stuff. Try sending it all to the same site, same tour from each different broker and spending the exact same dollar amount with each one and find out which one makes you the most money.

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Digipimp

Yeah well you probably wouldn't buy if you knew what you were getting that's why. But even with shitty brokers you can still make a little money, it's all about knowing what you're getting from them ahead of time so that you can maximize it to work for you.

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CyberTraffic

Good point. As a seller, how would you suggest for us to do that the best way possible?

I'm currently working on documentation to add to the site to help new buyers maximize the traffic they buy.

A lot of people think that when you purchase traffic, all you gotta do is wait for the money to roll in/trades to go up (whatever you're using the traffic for) - but there's much more to it than that.

SGS

This is the secret

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Trax

its interesting
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jennycards

Thanx ... you are welcome

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Kicker

Thanx a lot

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cluck

most all traffic can be profitable. the best feature a broker can have(other than decent traffic) is good support. it's best to test a small amount then tweak your page to get the best bang for your buck. if it's not converting its good to be able to icq your broker so e can aprove your canges asap. it's your job to get te ctr up.

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Sexzity

I would like to know what kind of traffic you brought from each broker.
To compair exit traffic from cj2 sites with target clicks from google addword, not seems fair to me.

If you have made sales with any of the trafficbrokers traffic it allso seems most fair to show that.

jennycards

I agree 100%. So here is some feedback I got from hitsup.com, one of the poorest performers in my test:

Make your own judgements.

Here is what I received from e-webtraffic.com:
Not very helpful either.

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Furious_Male

Thanks for posting this. Very good information. Maybe next time you can be persuaded to provide your ROI with each campaign and what type of site was promoted (4free, pps or just trying to build trades for a tgp).

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Joshua

Pretty interesting..

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some_idiot

How did you count Sexizty's hits? It says you're short almost 1500!
I buy semi-regularly from Carlos and have always received within
10 hits my amount. Were you made aware before tracking that
Sexzity hits come from serveral servers named and IP based?

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Nice to see that we are on the top of your list, jennycards!

A ROI number would be nice to see, but I can understand your reluctance to provide one.

One thing that I caution all traffic buyers (and future buyers) of console (exit/popunder) traffic: In most cases, console traffic DOES NOT work when sent directly to a paysite tour. It needs to be scrubbed and filtered first. Console traffic will generate clickthrus, but it's up to you to "sell" it.

If you want traffic directly to your paysite, I always recommend clicked (preferably niched) traffic. If you're just feeding your TGP/CJ/toplist trading site, by all means console traffic is a good option, and probably most cost effective.

Our sites;
FPCTraffic for console traffic
FPCClicks for niche clicked traffic

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Choker

What is the url of the site this traffic was sent to?

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Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

Theo

yes, but only if the traffic is free.

I completely agree with what funkmaster posted on another thread. It's close to impossible to turn profitability from traffic purchased by common traffic brokers. (ppcs, tgp spots/hits and banner spots dont apply on this rule) Maybe for feeding a site is can work, but again there are alternatives that will work better for your money.

Rick Latona

You are missing www.cjtraffic.com on that list.

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Sexzity

http://www.jennycards.com/?cs_setsou...7 64f4a7fded1

I still dont thing jennycards can compair Google addword with cj2 exit traffic, but jennycards, dont want to reply on that.

jennycards, did't buy US/CA traffic from Sexzity.

CyberTraffic

I agree.

Choker

Yep missing me also. This page Jenny made up took a lot of effort, I know I did this a few times myself. I put a buyer review into my system a couple of months back, it has let me know what buyers think of my traffic. This is a tool every broker should implement IMO. Withour honest feedback you have no idea how productive the traffic you sell is.
http://chickentraffic.com/cttsv2/web.../tabs2.php?tt=
Click on the ratings and this is real reviews from buyers.

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Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

badmouse

You were STUPID to buy from hitsup.com... THAT'S AN AUTOSURFER!!

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DTK

Yeah, no shit.....only 2.7% from different IPs??? Hello???

Lykos

Interesting...But..any good sales?

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Joshua

Yah, I was thinkin the same thing.

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jennycards

Well ... what I do is: I compare the success or result of 1 Dollar spent. I don't fucking care where the traffic comes from. It's a figure game.

I also provided raw figures, so feel free to make your own conslusions from it. Probably your conclusions will be different from mines.

From sexzity I bought regular "10k unfilted traffic: $2.0 per k" as promoted on their website.

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jennycards

For as little as $10 I KNOW now:
- certain traffic is shit
- certain traffic providers are morons

This is a bargain, isn't it

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pimplink

Can you show which stream actually resulted in sales and what the conversion ratio was?

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pimplink

Maybe some people use it for trading tgp traffic...

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jennycards

Choker,

I used your listing to identify major players in this industry. Thank you very much for that.

Unfortunately some traffic brokers do not accept paysites. I believe this is also the case with your traffic, isn't it?

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jennycards

To trade shit traffic for shit traffic. Also very productive.

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jennycards

Thank you ... I will add them in my next "round".

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jennycards

As said before this was not part of this test. There are several reasons, among them technical ones (I am just switching payment processors )

Maybe I will include those figures in my next test.

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HeadPimp

I think that is true for most internet businesses!

Sexzity

How can anybody make any conclusions, then you dont want to show how many sales each traffic source is?

jennycards

My index page is a php script and traffic is counted in one of the first lines of the script. So I would even count traffic where a surfer decides to press [stop] in his browser.

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jennycards

Please have a look at our site: http://www.jennycards.com and decide yourself if it's a "paysite" or a "freesite". I believe it's something in between.
Actually we have surfers who buy on their first visit, surfers who use the site a long time and never pay ... and some who use it for free and after some time eventually purchase a membership.

As my site doesn't fit in any of the usual categories I simply wanted to mayke my own conclusions.

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jennycards

It's definitely up to you to decide if my figures lead to any conclusions for you.

They do it for me.

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My comments were more general in nature, and didn't apply specifically to your site. Jennycards.com is a good example of a site that "filters and scrubs" console traffic, but I think we had that conversation when you originally approached us to buy exit traffic.

And, to all those "traffic broker haters" out there, despite what you may think, not *all* brokers are selling shit traffic that they cannot convert themselves. In fact, we keep between 40%-60% of our traffic for ourselves, and sell the rest to diversify our revenue streams. Our long-term buyers will tell you that they definitely make money from our traffic!

Jennycards is providing a good service (as Choker is) to separate the good from the crap.

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Greg B

This has got to be one of the most important posts on this board in a lonnnnnng time.

I don't know why I don't listen to myself sometimes but this post is highly reassuring.

Years and years ago I learned one thing:

Traffic is only as good as it's good for you.

I've had big sites link to me and some traffic converted and some didn't.

Yet my biggest discoveries were:

Hunt your own targetd audience. You don't need 8 billion goo gob people who won't pony up for shit. You need a solid 1-5,000 who will. That's your foundation. But you'll only get that if you have something worth interest. Umpteen similar content sites ain't shit. It's a first-come-first-traffic scenario which is hit or miss at best.

That's where site design comes in. I've seen sites with the same content but one is attractive and the other looked like it was put together by Uncle Fester on crack.

So I stayed away from the traffic brokers until I could see that they had targeted niche specific traffic and that there was a reputable watchdog in the industry to maximize ROI.

So I worked my traffic hunt with stealth. I don't do my site full time like many but I like to be precise. Fan base is the key. Thats' what separates the chaff from the wheat. Happy fans means loot in hands.

So several weeks ago I started another traffic safari. Doing what I used to do and adding new twists like trading links for free art and original content. I did that years ago with Horny Hank and Blacks On Blondes. I really liked working with Hank and recently started up with him again because he's fun to work with and I actually ENJOY doing a free toon series for him. These tactics bring me traffic of interest. Add to that other targeted niche communications via the web I've found that 'control' means efficient ROI.

Now if a site is starting out and you need to publicize perhaps a traffic broker is neato-nifty.

Earlier this week I got listed on the Hun. It'll still take me days to figure out what happened where and what the conversion ratio is if any. I found quickly who your friends and enemies are once you do get listed by the Hun. It's an experience I'll never forget and am optimizing should he list me again one day.

Bottom line I've found is traffic isn't always what it's cracked up to be, but the webmaster and his support and affiliates had better be.