Is it legal to used internet found content for AVS? - GoFuckYourself.com

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:24 AM

Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

detoxed · 02-02-2004, 11:25 AM

Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

RawAlex · 02-02-2004, 11:26 AM

Hello? Is this thing on?

Why do you think you would have the right to use content you haven't paid for? Do you have model releases? Do you have documents that prove the models are over 18 in compliance with USSC 18 section 2256 and 2257?

NO!

Don't be cheap. Content costs next to nothing, take a few dollars out of your pocket and INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS.

If you can't do that, don't bother.

Let me guess, you are planning to put the site on geocities and use cjb.net for redirection?

Alex

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

And would the judge accept your permission ;)

dotwind · 02-02-2004, 11:26 AM

you are in the wrong business dude... do some research.

and no if you don't have the proper paper work for that content it's illegal. so you can't use it

Project-Shadow · 02-02-2004, 11:27 AM

Krille · 02-02-2004, 11:27 AM

stupid fuck

Dveron · 02-02-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by menlovesex

And would the judge accept your permission ;)

Once detoxed gives you the OK you're good to go.

Libertine · 02-02-2004, 11:28 AM

Ofcourse it is. Everyone does it, right? Just make sure to send a quick message to [email protected] saying you're using public domain content.

LadyMischief · 02-02-2004, 11:29 AM

I suggest you look into some content providers.. There's no such thing as a free ride, and those pictures all belong to someone. If you don't want to have a fine of $100,000 per image per use, or 5 yeras in jail, I suggest you BUY your pictures.

tmphoto · 02-02-2004, 11:31 AM

You're kidding, right?......
Images you "found" on the internet?

Ever here of copyright infringement?
What about an image you "found" where the person in the image has the legal right to sue your ass off if you post it on the net? An image that person did not sign a release for. You are just as liable as the original publisher of it.

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by RawAlex
Hello? Is this thing on?

Why do you think you would have the right to use content you haven't paid for? Do you have model releases? Do you have documents that prove the models are over 18 in compliance with USSC 18 section 2256 and 2257?

NO!

Don't be cheap. Content costs next to nothing, take a few dollars out of your pocket and INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS.

If you can't do that, don't bother.

Let me guess, you are planning to put the site on geocities and use cjb.net for redirection?

Alex

Woops, believe something got mistaken! I am not in for the cheap deal, I will invest money in this site and it will be hosted on a normal hosting account. I am not into stealing content or something like that!
It is just that for the topic I want there are lots of over-acted pictures available, while I am more into the spontanious kind of pictures. Like for excample, I got a movie of a really nice girl (drunk however), walking around in her red thong showing it to everyone, filmed by a party mate or someone else in the crows. This is clearly not acted, and great to see. My question is, if it is legal to put such movies on my site, since I don't even have a name of this girl.

But I understand there has to be a document for every picture available. Too bad. Site will still be built, but my kind of topic would be hard to find in a picture set (because most of the pictures are over-acted like said)

Thanks!

NBDesign · 02-02-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow

^^^ What he said ^^^

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Krille
stupid fuck

Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

Cindyff · 02-02-2004, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

If you don't own the ? or have a license then you cannot use the images.
Public domain images applies to content shot more than 50 years after the death of the ? owner ( this has been extended now to 75 years recently ) there are a few exception to this rule, but by using stuff of Kazaa you risk possible legal action. Ignorance of the law is no justification especially is you are making money from stolen content.

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Cindyff

If you don't own the ? or have a license then you cannot use the images.
Public domain images applies to content shot more than 50 years after the death of the ? owner ( this has been extended now to 75 years recently ) there are a few exception to this rule, but by using stuff of Kazaa you risk possible legal action. Ignorance of the law is no justification especially is you are making money from stolen content.

Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Cindyff · 02-02-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by menlovesex

Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Correct !!

mardigras · 02-02-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by menlovesex

Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Unless someone previously purchased exclusive rights to your grandmother's picture you may use it

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:46 AM

Okey, so am I correct to say that I can only use sponsor content (with them holding the license and giving me approval to use it on my site to promote them), or buy my own content with correct license?

mardigras · 02-02-2004, 11:47 AM

If you are filming "party" content yourself you'll need a model release for everyone unless such footage is of a public event (festival, Mardi Gras, Spring Break, etc.). Don't use anyone's image as marketing without their consent.

Edit: That doesn't mean you can use someone else's public films, only your own films you shot at the same event... otherwise use content from a sponsor (click the post-it note in my sig for some free content), other option being leasing or buying content from producers. If you're looking to buy content, post what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here will have it.

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 11:58 AM

Okey, thank you for your answers. I will try to find some original content and buy/lease it, or else I will stick to sponsor content.
Thanks again to those who placed usefull replies!

Greg B · 02-02-2004, 12:49 PM

Dude, the law is simple:

If you didn't create it, you DON'T own it.

If you do use it, you will get OWNED.

If you paid for it, read the rules about using it.

Fletch XXX · 02-02-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by menlovesex

Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

you are a clueless idiot.

but somehow I think this is just a troll.

can peple really be this dumb?

oh yes, I forgot they can

and not knowing a law does not make you less subject to penalties of breaking them.

modelgigtalent · 02-02-2004, 01:03 PM

baddog · 02-02-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by menlovesex
Okey, so am I correct to say that I can only use sponsor content (with them holding the license and giving me approval to use it on my site to promote them), or buy my own content with correct license?

you can use sponsor content, content you purchase, or content you or a friend shoots as long as you have model releases and proof of age.

It is not a good idea to shoot drunk chicks, as they can later sober up and decide they did not want to be splattered all over the Internet, and the contract you had with them would likely be judged to be void.

Kicker · 02-02-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

you are a clueless idiot.

but somehow I think this is just a troll.

can peple really be this dumb?

oh yes, I forgot they can

and not knowing a law does not make you less subject to penalties of breaking them.

Why do you think I asked here? I better prefer to get OWNED here than to make a final trip to the states. Don't see why you and some other guys need to jump all over me. I highly respect the GFY webmasters as being very educated in this very law, and since I want things to be sure I ask here. It's that simple, not because I'm a total retard (like you treat me). If you were standing face to face with me you might even like me and my ideas, so don't jump to conclusions that fast would you. You would be suprised who you bashed now when I can really evolve my ideas in the future (when more money comes along)

BV · 02-02-2004, 03:38 PM

HELL NO

LadyMischief · 02-02-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by menlovesex

Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

If you aren't willing to put the money into investing in a lawyer to find out the laws where the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of your website is concerned (content), maybe consider another industry? If you're goign to host in the US, find out the laws in the US.

twistyneck · 02-02-2004, 03:45 PM

Don't listen to the haters. If it is on the internet, it is public domain and you can do whatever you want with it. Hell, I join sites all the time just to download content and upgrade my members areas. You can get a lot of good stuff that way!

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 03:55 PM

The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?

menlovesex · 02-02-2004, 04:21 PM

baddog · 02-02-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by menlovesex
The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?

wrong

ModelPerfect · 02-02-2004, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

Is this supposed to be a joke? NO...you can't do that. Save your legal ass and buy some cheap content from me.

BrentD · 02-02-2004, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

If your truely stupid enough to ask that question then you deserve every flame in this thread you get. Go ahead and use stolen content, I will gladly sue you for a nice little per images/video price

Dveron · 02-02-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by menlovesex
The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?

If you're thinking of going the AVS route check these links:

http://www.avsfriendly.com/
http://www.avslounge.com/

The Heron · 02-02-2004, 10:34 PM

Quit now, you don't understand how to do business.

Lykos · 02-02-2004, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

Yeah,now u can use it,hahaha

Sp!ce · 02-02-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
^^^ What he said ^^^

pornkitten · 02-02-2004, 11:25 PM

If someone used our photos with out paid for permission WE"D SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM If you really want those photos why not just ask them? They might say ok. Why take the chance that you snag an underage photo, then youd be fucked. Or if it was exclusive..Stealing content is wrong. You never know who you are stealing from and they may just deal with it differently then calling the police or going to court. People pay alot of money for photos/videos and some have families to support. and If you want to work in the industry then work like everyone else! I am trying to help you, hope that you take my advice. I'd suggest posting exactly what you need in a new thread I guarantee you will get many offers from photographers. Good luck

PbG · 02-03-2004, 02:34 PM

Legal No
Bail No
Leniency No

Fletch XXX · 02-03-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex

Why do you think I asked here? I better prefer to get OWNED here than to make a final trip to the states. Don't see why you and some other guys need to jump all over me. I highly respect the GFY webmasters as being very educated in this very law, and since I want things to be sure I ask here. It's that simple, not because I'm a total retard (like you treat me). If you were standing face to face with me you might even like me and my ideas, so don't jump to conclusions that fast would you. You would be suprised who you bashed now when I can really evolve my ideas in the future (when more money comes along)

you think this is "jumping all over you?'

funny.

use whatever content you like, i cant care any less about what you do.

i just like calling idiots, idiots.

if you have no idea about ?'s you are in the wrong business, and I dont care to school you.

menlovesex · 02-03-2004, 03:20 PM

Okey okey, I get all your points. I already made a content request here (http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.p...68#post3252268).
But I still don't know why people get so angry from this simple question. It was just meant as confirmation, I needed to be sure of something. I do that with more things, it just makes sure I'm not putting money in something illegal. I mean, I will invest in design, content, hosting and promotion, I take this serious and I don't mind asking "stupid" questions, as long as I know I'm on the right way. Okey, maybe I'll laugh on my own in the near future when I am reading back my past questions, and are also thinking that I sounded like a complete n00b. But I than know I am operating as legal as I can in this industry. It's better to sound stupid when you start, than ending up in jail and than getting smart (philosofic moment :D)

Anyway, thanks for the helpfull replies, won't forget it soon and definately won't burn my fingers on "found" content.

02-02-2004, 11:24 AM	#1
menlovesex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fuck, I forgot! Posts: 286	Is it legal to used internet found content for AVS? Hi, I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc. Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?) Thanks! Jacco __________________ Want to do something really good with your money? Donate it to the Sunshine Foundation!

02-02-2004, 11:26 AM	#5
dotwind Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 285	you are in the wrong business dude... do some research. and no if you don't have the proper paper work for that content it's illegal. so you can't use it __________________ Custom large/complex systems programing.<br>ASP.Net, C#, XML, MS SQL, WebServices(SOAP).<br>ICQ: 235719545

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Ofcourse it is. Everyone does it, right? Just make sure to send a quick message to [email protected] saying you're using public domain content. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I suggest you look into some content providers.. There's no such thing as a free ride, and those pictures all belong to someone. If you don't want to have a fine of $100,000 per image per use, or 5 yeras in jail, I suggest you BUY your pictures. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

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tmphoto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern CA Posts: 99	You're kidding, right?...... Images you "found" on the internet? Ever here of copyright infringement? What about an image you "found" where the person in the image has the legal right to sue your ass off if you post it on the net? An image that person did not sign a release for. You are just as liable as the original publisher of it. __________________ See our content at www.tm-photo.net

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detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Hello? Is this thing on? Why do you think you would have the right to use content you haven't paid for? Do you have model releases? Do you have documents that prove the models are over 18 in compliance with USSC 18 section 2256 and 2257? NO! Don't be cheap. Content costs next to nothing, take a few dollars out of your pocket and INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS. If you can't do that, don't bother. Let me guess, you are planning to put the site on geocities and use cjb.net for redirection? Alex

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Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	stupid fuck

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menlovesex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fuck, I forgot! Posts: 286	Okey, so am I correct to say that I can only use sponsor content (with them holding the license and giving me approval to use it on my site to promote them), or buy my own content with correct license? __________________ Want to do something really good with your money? Donate it to the Sunshine Foundation!

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mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	If you are filming "party" content yourself you'll need a model release for everyone unless such footage is of a public event (festival, Mardi Gras, Spring Break, etc.). Don't use anyone's image as marketing without their consent. Edit: That doesn't mean you can use someone else's public films, only your own films you shot at the same event... otherwise use content from a sponsor (click the post-it note in my sig for some free content), other option being leasing or buying content from producers. If you're looking to buy content, post what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here will have it. __________________ . Last edited by mardigras; 02-02-2004 at 11:59 AM..

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menlovesex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fuck, I forgot! Posts: 286	Okey, thank you for your answers. I will try to find some original content and buy/lease it, or else I will stick to sponsor content. Thanks again to those who placed usefull replies! __________________ Want to do something really good with your money? Donate it to the Sunshine Foundation!

02-02-2004, 12:49 PM	#22
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Dude, the law is simple: If you didn't create it, you DON'T own it. If you do use it, you will get OWNED. If you paid for it, read the rules about using it.

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twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Don't listen to the haters. If it is on the internet, it is public domain and you can do whatever you want with it. Hell, I join sites all the time just to download content and upgrade my members areas. You can get a lot of good stuff that way!

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menlovesex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fuck, I forgot! Posts: 286	The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right? __________________ Want to do something really good with your money? Donate it to the Sunshine Foundation!

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02-02-2004, 11:25 PM	#40
pornkitten Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,412	If someone used our photos with out paid for permission WE"D SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM If you really want those photos why not just ask them? They might say ok. Why take the chance that you snag an underage photo, then youd be fucked. Or if it was exclusive..Stealing content is wrong. You never know who you are stealing from and they may just deal with it differently then calling the police or going to court. People pay alot of money for photos/videos and some have families to support. and If you want to work in the industry then work like everyone else! I am trying to help you, hope that you take my advice. I'd suggest posting exactly what you need in a new thread I guarantee you will get many offers from photographers. Good luck __________________ too lazy to find advertising for this sig space

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02-03-2004, 03:20 PM	#43
menlovesex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fuck, I forgot! Posts: 286	Okey okey, I get all your points. I already made a content request here (http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.p...68#post3252268). But I still don't know why people get so angry from this simple question. It was just meant as confirmation, I needed to be sure of something. I do that with more things, it just makes sure I'm not putting money in something illegal. I mean, I will invest in design, content, hosting and promotion, I take this serious and I don't mind asking "stupid" questions, as long as I know I'm on the right way. Okey, maybe I'll laugh on my own in the near future when I am reading back my past questions, and are also thinking that I sounded like a complete n00b. But I than know I am operating as legal as I can in this industry. It's better to sound stupid when you start, than ending up in jail and than getting smart (philosofic moment :D) Anyway, thanks for the helpfull replies, won't forget it soon and definately won't burn my fingers on "found" content. __________________ Want to do something really good with your money? Donate it to the Sunshine Foundation!