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menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:24 AM

Is it legal to used internet found content for AVS?
 
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

detoxed 02-02-2004 11:25 AM

Use all the content you want, you have my permission.

RawAlex 02-02-2004 11:26 AM

Hello? Is this thing on?

Why do you think you would have the right to use content you haven't paid for? Do you have model releases? Do you have documents that prove the models are over 18 in compliance with USSC 18 section 2256 and 2257?

NO!

Don't be cheap. Content costs next to nothing, take a few dollars out of your pocket and INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS.

If you can't do that, don't bother.

Let me guess, you are planning to put the site on geocities and use cjb.net for redirection?

Alex

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.
And would the judge accept your permission ;)

dotwind 02-02-2004 11:26 AM

you are in the wrong business dude... do some research.

and no if you don't have the proper paper work for that content it's illegal. so you can't use it

Project-Shadow 02-02-2004 11:27 AM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Krille 02-02-2004 11:27 AM

stupid fuck

Dveron 02-02-2004 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


And would the judge accept your permission ;)

Once detoxed gives you the OK you're good to go.

Libertine 02-02-2004 11:28 AM

Ofcourse it is. Everyone does it, right? Just make sure to send a quick message to [email protected] saying you're using public domain content.

LadyMischief 02-02-2004 11:29 AM

I suggest you look into some content providers.. There's no such thing as a free ride, and those pictures all belong to someone. If you don't want to have a fine of $100,000 per image per use, or 5 yeras in jail, I suggest you BUY your pictures.

tmphoto 02-02-2004 11:31 AM

You're kidding, right?......
Images you "found" on the internet?

Ever here of copyright infringement?
What about an image you "found" where the person in the image has the legal right to sue your ass off if you post it on the net? An image that person did not sign a release for. You are just as liable as the original publisher of it.



:ak47:

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
Hello? Is this thing on?

Why do you think you would have the right to use content you haven't paid for? Do you have model releases? Do you have documents that prove the models are over 18 in compliance with USSC 18 section 2256 and 2257?

NO!

Don't be cheap. Content costs next to nothing, take a few dollars out of your pocket and INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS.

If you can't do that, don't bother.

Let me guess, you are planning to put the site on geocities and use cjb.net for redirection?

Alex

Woops, believe something got mistaken! I am not in for the cheap deal, I will invest money in this site and it will be hosted on a normal hosting account. I am not into stealing content or something like that!
It is just that for the topic I want there are lots of over-acted pictures available, while I am more into the spontanious kind of pictures. Like for excample, I got a movie of a really nice girl (drunk however), walking around in her red thong showing it to everyone, filmed by a party mate or someone else in the crows. This is clearly not acted, and great to see. My question is, if it is legal to put such movies on my site, since I don't even have a name of this girl.

But I understand there has to be a document for every picture available. Too bad. Site will still be built, but my kind of topic would be hard to find in a picture set (because most of the pictures are over-acted like said)

Thanks!

NBDesign 02-02-2004 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Project-Shadow
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
^^^ What he said ^^^

:1orglaugh

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krille
stupid fuck
Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

Cindyff 02-02-2004 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

If you don't own the ? or have a license then you cannot use the images.
Public domain images applies to content shot more than 50 years after the death of the ? owner ( this has been extended now to 75 years recently ) there are a few exception to this rule, but by using stuff of Kazaa you risk possible legal action. Ignorance of the law is no justification especially is you are making money from stolen content.

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cindyff


If you don't own the ? or have a license then you cannot use the images.
Public domain images applies to content shot more than 50 years after the death of the ? owner ( this has been extended now to 75 years recently ) there are a few exception to this rule, but by using stuff of Kazaa you risk possible legal action. Ignorance of the law is no justification especially is you are making money from stolen content.

Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Cindyff 02-02-2004 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Correct !!

mardigras 02-02-2004 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


Okey, great, that's what I needed to know for sure. And this apply to any kind of image, even a picture of my dressed grandmother?

Unless someone previously purchased exclusive rights to your grandmother's picture you may use it:)

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:46 AM

Okey, so am I correct to say that I can only use sponsor content (with them holding the license and giving me approval to use it on my site to promote them), or buy my own content with correct license?

mardigras 02-02-2004 11:47 AM

If you are filming "party" content yourself you'll need a model release for everyone unless such footage is of a public event (festival, Mardi Gras, Spring Break, etc.). Don't use anyone's image as marketing without their consent.

Edit: That doesn't mean you can use someone else's public films, only your own films you shot at the same event... otherwise use content from a sponsor (click the post-it note in my sig for some free content), other option being leasing or buying content from producers. If you're looking to buy content, post what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here will have it.

menlovesex 02-02-2004 11:58 AM

Okey, thank you for your answers. I will try to find some original content and buy/lease it, or else I will stick to sponsor content.
Thanks again to those who placed usefull replies!

Greg B 02-02-2004 12:49 PM

Dude, the law is simple:

If you didn't create it, you DON'T own it.

If you do use it, you will get OWNED.

If you paid for it, read the rules about using it.

Fletch XXX 02-02-2004 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

you are a clueless idiot.

but somehow I think this is just a troll.

can peple really be this dumb?

oh yes, I forgot they can

and not knowing a law does not make you less subject to penalties of breaking them.

modelgigtalent 02-02-2004 01:03 PM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

baddog 02-02-2004 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Okey, so am I correct to say that I can only use sponsor content (with them holding the license and giving me approval to use it on my site to promote them), or buy my own content with correct license?
you can use sponsor content, content you purchase, or content you or a friend shoots as long as you have model releases and proof of age.

It is not a good idea to shoot drunk chicks, as they can later sober up and decide they did not want to be splattered all over the Internet, and the contract you had with them would likely be judged to be void.

Kicker 02-02-2004 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.
:1orglaugh

menlovesex 02-02-2004 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


you are a clueless idiot.

but somehow I think this is just a troll.

can peple really be this dumb?

oh yes, I forgot they can

and not knowing a law does not make you less subject to penalties of breaking them.

Why do you think I asked here? I better prefer to get OWNED here than to make a final trip to the states. Don't see why you and some other guys need to jump all over me. I highly respect the GFY webmasters as being very educated in this very law, and since I want things to be sure I ask here. It's that simple, not because I'm a total retard (like you treat me). If you were standing face to face with me you might even like me and my ideas, so don't jump to conclusions that fast would you. You would be suprised who you bashed now when I can really evolve my ideas in the future (when more money comes along)

BV 02-02-2004 03:38 PM

HELL NO

LadyMischief 02-02-2004 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


Gimme a break here, you already made your judgement while I was making my clarification!
Of course I know that acted porn needs the proper documents, and I respect that, and I am aware of the laws (don't know if it works the same in the Netherlands, won't risk it since I host in the US). I was just not sure if candyshot pictures also need to have the documents. Excuses for not knowing this law rule by rule!

If you aren't willing to put the money into investing in a lawyer to find out the laws where the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of your website is concerned (content), maybe consider another industry? If you're goign to host in the US, find out the laws in the US.

twistyneck 02-02-2004 03:45 PM

Don't listen to the haters. If it is on the internet, it is public domain and you can do whatever you want with it. Hell, I join sites all the time just to download content and upgrade my members areas. You can get a lot of good stuff that way! :thumbsup

menlovesex 02-02-2004 03:55 PM

The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?

menlovesex 02-02-2004 04:21 PM

.

baddog 02-02-2004 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?
wrong

ModelPerfect 02-02-2004 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

Is this supposed to be a joke? NO...you can't do that. Save your legal ass and buy some cheap content from me. :)

BrentD 02-02-2004 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
Hi,

I am planning to make a nice AVS site, and would like to know if it is legal to use pictures and movies you found on the internet. I will also use sponsor content, but since lots of that of "faked" (acted), I would also like to throw in some really amateur content, like pictures taken on the street, or other stuff you can find on Kazaa etc.
Those pictures aren't made by me, and most people on the pictures don't even know they're on. Is it legal to use that kind of content (and make money off it placing it on my AVS site?)

Thanks!

Jacco

If your truely stupid enough to ask that question then you deserve every flame in this thread you get. Go ahead and use stolen content, I will gladly sue you for a nice little per images/video price:)

Dveron 02-02-2004 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex
The rules for an AVS site aren't as strict as for a paysite right?
If you're thinking of going the AVS route check these links:

http://www.avsfriendly.com/
http://www.avslounge.com/

The Heron 02-02-2004 10:34 PM

Quit now, you don't understand how to do business.

Lykos 02-02-2004 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
Use all the content you want, you have my permission.
Yeah,now u can use it,hahaha:thumbsup

Sp!ce 02-02-2004 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign
^^^ What he said ^^^

:1orglaugh


pornkitten 02-02-2004 11:25 PM

If someone used our photos with out paid for permission WE"D SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM If you really want those photos why not just ask them? They might say ok. Why take the chance that you snag an underage photo, then youd be fucked. Or if it was exclusive..Stealing content is wrong. You never know who you are stealing from and they may just deal with it differently then calling the police or going to court. People pay alot of money for photos/videos and some have families to support. and If you want to work in the industry then work like everyone else! I am trying to help you, hope that you take my advice. I'd suggest posting exactly what you need in a new thread I guarantee you will get many offers from photographers. Good luck :)

PbG 02-03-2004 02:34 PM

Legal No
Bail No
Leniency No
:fart

Fletch XXX 02-03-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by menlovesex


Why do you think I asked here? I better prefer to get OWNED here than to make a final trip to the states. Don't see why you and some other guys need to jump all over me. I highly respect the GFY webmasters as being very educated in this very law, and since I want things to be sure I ask here. It's that simple, not because I'm a total retard (like you treat me). If you were standing face to face with me you might even like me and my ideas, so don't jump to conclusions that fast would you. You would be suprised who you bashed now when I can really evolve my ideas in the future (when more money comes along)

you think this is "jumping all over you?'

funny.

use whatever content you like, i cant care any less about what you do.

i just like calling idiots, idiots.

if you have no idea about ?'s you are in the wrong business, and I dont care to school you.

menlovesex 02-03-2004 03:20 PM

Okey okey, I get all your points. I already made a content request here (http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.p...68#post3252268).
But I still don't know why people get so angry from this simple question. It was just meant as confirmation, I needed to be sure of something. I do that with more things, it just makes sure I'm not putting money in something illegal. I mean, I will invest in design, content, hosting and promotion, I take this serious and I don't mind asking "stupid" questions, as long as I know I'm on the right way. Okey, maybe I'll laugh on my own in the near future when I am reading back my past questions, and are also thinking that I sounded like a complete n00b. But I than know I am operating as legal as I can in this industry. It's better to sound stupid when you start, than ending up in jail and than getting smart (philosofic moment :D)

Anyway, thanks for the helpfull replies, won't forget it soon and definately won't burn my fingers on "found" content.


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