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Trax 01-26-2004 06:16 AM

i dont even want to think about possible changes
this is going to be a hard year

reynold 01-26-2004 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
The future is in subculture communities. Communities + Porn.

http://www.suicidegirls.com

http://www.ishotmyself.com:80/public/main.php

http://www.camwhores.com

http://www.biggercity.com/home/default.asp

Now, why the heck did you have to spoil the surprise?

But these require blog / community post content.....

Good thing there's that other great new change in the industry... cheap labor. example: http://www.webmasterlabor.com/services.html

reynold 01-26-2004 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie
*sips soda, reads... smiles...*

Okay so other than bitching about members areas that you can't change but continue to send traffic to (hello?) - anyone want to guess on what the new Visa/MC regulations will be?


The future is not in PROGRAMS.... but in CONTENT PROVIDERS.

Customization and Micro distribution is the Future... specially when VISA finally FORCES processors to EMAIL MANDATORY REBILL NOTICES (no explicit permission = no rebill)

Daymare 01-26-2004 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Jive


I think it all started along time ago with fantasymans program..
now it sounds like no money?
like his program and others.. shall I go further..

confirmed signup/sting/

he.he.

I laughed when I saw Marc-de's speech like he tried 6 months ago! when webmasters cried foul back then now its back..

Marc-de is burning all the webmasters he can.. could be.
I never like the knob. nor ever admire his scam.

your on the way out there ARS.. like MAXCASH..
:Graucho

lol, maxcash isn't even on the way out. I make more money with them than any other program.

FlyingIguana 01-26-2004 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Marc De
roflmao

ARS is is no way switching to a per active model. I have been on our message board giving a bit of my 'State of the Industry'.

Changes are on the horizon for this ENTIRE industry. Those changes do NOT necessarily mean a reduction in payout. That will NOT solve the problem long term. Many (most) PPS programs are not making profit on new traffic. The model of cookie cutter sites paying more for traffic than that traffic produces in revenue is going to go. Shaves will be turned on (or up in the case of some) or models will change.

This is what I call the year of content. No more over promising tours and under delivering tours. Higher quality sites, less super niche sites, and better content will separate the men from the boys. In the mean time, the old has to be done away with to pave a path for th new.

ARS is not switching from a PPS to a pay per active or recurring model. We are not dropping payouts on our existing portfolio. Our changes are much better than that...

it took you this long to figure out that content is king? ARS has many great ideas and have always had a top notch webmaster program, but the members areas were just plain shit. its much better now than it was a couple years ago, but there's still room for improvement.

Xenophage 01-26-2004 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by KC


You need to calculate value per click you send. It's the only way to compare apples to apples across various sponsors. I don't care if I get paid per web surfer ejaculation, per bald surfer that signs up for a 5 day trial, etc etc.

Calculate the value per click and it doesn't matter if they shave you or not.

Assuming two sponsors A and B, they both are equally as likely to pay you (you have valid references for both sponsors).

Sponsor A shaves you, but your traffic is worth $0.02 per raw click based on your tracking.

Sponsor B does not shave you, but your traffic is worth $0.01 per raw click based on your tracking.

Which one will pay you more money for the same traffic?

I'm not condoning shaving. However, evaluating sponsors in this manner is the only way to accurately measure the performance of 1 sponsor vs. another.


and yet webmasters still fall for marketing bs over and over..
we pay %80 of the 50% before the shave and the cc charges

maybye surfers are the same way still.......

this thread i started a few days ago falls along this topic of conversation

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225133&perpage=50&pagen umber=1

taboo_dude 01-26-2004 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
Marc....

Suspense is killing me: what do you mean by this:
I also believe there is other opportunities other than paysite promotion that webmasters can use to generate revenue from their traffic inventories (and easier).



adult specific but not paysites, penis pills, virility patches, herbal supplements,

I'm just guessing though. :Graucho

rabbit 01-26-2004 10:55 AM

well its these cookie cutter sites that made mine and other likes possible... we sort through all the crap for the surfer

but i never eally understood how a crappy site can charge 40$/month while some of the best (like nasty and bangbros), charge under 30 and give 20 times more quality content. after a certain point there will be no more ignorant people you can take advantage off.

rabbit

Dugan 01-26-2004 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by carbondream
well its these cookie cutter sites that made mine and other likes possible... we sort through all the crap for the surfer

but i never eally understood how a crappy site can charge 40$/month while some of the best (like nasty and bangbros), charge under 30 and give 20 times more quality content. after a certain point there will be no more ignorant people you can take advantage off.

rabbit

ahhh, you underestimate the millions of kids that eventually get turned on to porn...

Kimmykim 01-26-2004 11:08 AM

I love the way that resellers refuse to bear any responsibility for the situation.

Say it together now kids, "my job is only to get the surfer to the tour, its the sponsors job to retain them", all the while overmarketing the site -- and I dont mean intentionally in all cases, though the recent Paris Hilton "site" is a prime example of some very zealous marketing with nothing to back it up but a huge bill to the surfer...

This isn't Marc's fault, this isn't Maxcash's fault and this isn't even Jive's fault (he's just an idiot).

Everyone in this business helped build the beast, now everyone in this business has to feed it. Not a pretty sight and not one that's going to last for too much longer.

I'd be curious to see how many pps owners are actually making any real money per join at the end of the day. And with all these popup blockers and such going on, the value of exit traffic is declining rapidly so that's another slap in the bank accounts to these guys.

Resellers are always asking how someone can pay out 35 bucks on a 4 dollar trial and make money. Well, it's just about impossible any more.

Carrie 01-26-2004 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Resellers are always asking how someone can pay out 35 bucks on a 4 dollar trial and make money. Well, it's just about impossible any more.
Except for those who have the shave turned up to 70%.
And for those webmasters who'll come on here claiming no one shaves that much, keep dreaming. You're probably sending traffic to them.

TheEnforcer 01-26-2004 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Marc De
Headless / Enforcer - I feel a bit strange maybe I should post a (pic) to make it feel right ROFL

Yeah, I'm enjoying myself quite a bit! :)

Brad, last I checked you were in a whole heap of shit just like me !! ;)

Hahaha!! :thumbsup

TheEnforcer 01-26-2004 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
The future is in subculture communities. Communities + Porn.

http://www.suicidegirls.com

http://www.ishotmyself.com:80/public/main.php

http://www.camwhores.com

http://www.biggercity.com/home/default.asp

I do believe Sykkboy showed me that suicidegirls.com domain quite some time ago. Liked it then, like it now. There are all sorts of models that can work depending on what your focus is.

TheEnforcer 01-26-2004 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
HOW FUCKING FUNNY SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE... ANYONE ELSE GUESS WHO THIS GUY IS BESIDES ME?

***********************************************
So anyway, at the end of the day, what have we learned from all these pages of thread?

I'm speaking strictly business...

The traditional pay per join on a recurring surfer membership doesn't work.

Fraud is ridiculous, surfers AND affiliates, and I'll wager a few bucks that before the end of the year the model is dead all the way around.

Surfers cancel, many times before they even log in. The ones that don't cancel that fast don't stay long, EVEN WITH ORIGINAL AND EXCLUSIVE CONTENT, in numbers that make the revenue model viable as it stands. The sites that do retain that well don't have enough members to compare with the huge affiliate program model, so let's not have a debate on how someone with 100 members can retain them for a year, they still don't make the money that someone doing 100 joins a day does.

Visa and Mastercard have had about enough with the entire business, that's obvious from the tighter and tighter restrictions they keep putting into place. The federal government is most likely going for some new regulations, one way or another from some rumors I hear as well.

Who was the big program that dumped pretty much all their affiliates recently? I don't see them out of business, just spending alot less time on fraud control and fighting chargebacks due to 'overmarketing' by overzealous resellers desperate to make a sale.

Oh well, enough ranting from me for the moment.


ahhh beauty and brains what a combo!! :thumbsup

TheEnforcer 01-26-2004 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Darren
i agree totally and content will be king... its all about providing the surfer with regular updates, interactive abilities to promote a community and unique content...

Thats why when we produced Mens-Network we did just that, 10 updates a day and much more.

This is why stuff like www.uniqueplugins.com works so well in keeping members.

those are interesting and unique plug-ins!! :thumbsup

Kimmykim 01-26-2004 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie

Except for those who have the shave turned up to 70%.
And for those webmasters who'll come on here claiming no one shaves that much, keep dreaming. You're probably sending traffic to them.

Carrie, maybe you should read KC's post on the preceding page. That might explain it to you. :)

quiet 01-26-2004 07:30 PM

great thread

Sausage 01-26-2004 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
great thread
I am sure your 16000th post will be a link to your affiliate program ? :)


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