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RRACY · 01-25-2004, 08:05 PM

What's a GIM site?

Mutt · 01-25-2004, 08:06 PM

no what Marc means by 'super niche' sites is a micro niche site like 'Indian Cocksuckers' - where a surfer joins up cuz that intrigued him but he finds if he's lucky 5 photosets and a video of some chick who is a vague shade of brown and then the cookie cutter members area filled with the same plugins the surfer has seen in the 100 other sites he's signed up to.

BRISK · 01-25-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by RRACY
What's a GIM site?

ARS doesn't own or operate any of it's sites, Global Inter Media does

pamphage · 01-25-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Marc De
pamphage - I can see your angle with ibill, but for my own sake can you explain how that comparison is made to ARS?

How exactly are we out of touch?

most of your tours look circa 1996. also, the member sections were awful last time i had a look ( been about 8 months or so) as well, but it was like dated content and crap plugins. blech.

and i don't mean to single you out in particular. cecash has the same problem.

but hey. people make money off you guys so i'm not trying diss. i just prefer more modern programs like bangbros for general traffic and some of the nicer ccbill sites for when i need to nichefy.

AliSin · 01-25-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
no what Marc means by 'super niche' sites is a micro niche site like 'Indian Cocksuckers' - where a surfer joins up cuz that intrigued him but he finds if he's lucky 5 photosets and a video of some chick who is a vague shade of brown and then the cookie cutter members area filled with the same plugins the surfer has seen in the 100 other sites he's signed up to.

LOL

RRACY · 01-25-2004, 08:08 PM

Thanks. I new about global but didn't put together the abbrev

BRISK · 01-25-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
cookie cutter members area filled with the same plugins the surfer has seen in the 100 other sites he's signed up to.

That quote defines ARS/GIM sites

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 08:10 PM

pamphage - I hear ya... I don't necessarily think we're a dying breed like the dinosaurs. I do believe it is time for ARS ReInvented.

For what they WERE (are) GIM sites aren't that bad. Comparing them to other sites in the same catagory they held their ground nicely. Comparing them to video sites and reality sites they BLEW ass. Thus, pave the way for the new...

Tipsy · 01-25-2004, 08:12 PM

Wow - a big program owner talking sense and being pretty thruthful. It's all been on the cards for a long while now and has been amazing how few want to admit to it. Kudos to ARS and Marc for doing so and being among the first. Inevitably others will follow.

Theo · 01-25-2004, 08:13 PM

GIM site lack exclusive content,but among major PPS with no exclusive content as well they are among the best from what I've seen.

BRISK · 01-25-2004, 08:14 PM

I'd like to see ARS sites shift more towards TopBucks and NastyDollars type sites.

Reality is good

Exclusive content is good

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 08:16 PM

Tipsy - thanks

We consider ourselves to be an industry leader. Leadership is not defined as being the biggest or the best, its defined by making difficult decisions at difficult times. What we are working to do is not easy, but in the long term its the right decision!

To truly reinvent yourself you must throw away the past, that is the most difficult part. The great thing is this thread will be gone within a few hours and people may forget until the months of work we've been doing reappear with ARS RI (ReInvented) and we follow through on our firm, bold stance that THINGS MUST CHANGE!

Mutt · 01-25-2004, 08:18 PM

Marc's right - i've seen the GIM members areas - it's no worse than the other big programs and better than a bunch.

the plugins on all these sites are almost completely useless when it comes to retention. people want to join a site for the main course. you don't see BangBros/Nasty loading up on plugins, it does nothing.

personally other than Bubble Girls, CaliforniaPimp, Socal Streams and maybe Hustler and AEBN i wouldn't toss a nickel at a plugin. For teen and general hardcore niche anyway.

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 08:23 PM

Mutt - thanks and that is what I meant when I 'defend' GIMs sites. Comparing apples to apples...

However, plug in content mostly does BLOW and the key is providing the customers with an experience they can't get from any other paysite that is spending a few measley grand / mo on sub standard plug in videos.

I believe there is a lot more to maximizing the monetization of traffic for affiliates and those changes will come down the pipeline too. I also believe there is other opportunities other than paysite promotion that webmasters can use to generate revenue from their traffic inventories (and easier). All changes to come with ARS RI! Coming Soon...

TheJimmy · 01-25-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Im A Troll
'Active member' means?

As i understand it this is somewhat more complicated than a simple recurring business model isnt it?

it means much smaller checks...bye bye standard PPS...

hello

PPS-kinda....

still a great program...

...but I prefer revshare as long as the program has it's processing shit in order and has plan b-z....

pamphage · 01-25-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I'd like to see ARS sites shift more towards TopBucks and NastyDollars type sites.

Reality is good

Exclusive content is good

i agree except i don't think topbucks has ever had an original idea EVER. they take all their cues from bangbros and nastydollars.

p1mpdogg · 01-25-2004, 08:29 PM

what an arrogant person you are marc.

You are an industry leader?

how so? original ideas? you didnt invent the byot
you came out with some bs dialer years after the big dialer companies did
conversions are crap for most people with your sites or havent you noticed.

I got your guy emailing me asking to work with me on your new smoke/cigarette site.. since I already have one up..

looks like i got ya there... then when i told him who I was, he backed off. smart move.

You are successful, I will give you that, but dont claim to be an industry leader when you clearly are in major trouble. I and a few others know whats going on. dont put up smoke and mirriors.

Theo · 01-25-2004, 08:30 PM

*spam*

MarcDe, a good friend just finished the creation of the BEST movie plugin ever built. Wanna have one of the ars crew members to take a look at it? (it's not released yet to public) I wouldn't mention if it was one of the same

*spam*

The Other Steve · 01-25-2004, 08:34 PM

After one of the seminars at the Australian webmaster gathering this week it is obvious that there are a lot of things going on in the background in our industry that are soon going to start impacting on us.

Content will be king was one of the recurring themes put forward by one of the biggest Australian sponsor.

Just lately I've been inside a lot of paysites and it is no wonder that they cannot retain members. How can a site that offers hours and hours of niche video content on the tour but only provides 12 girls and 4 hours of that content in the members area hope to retain members?

FWIW my humble opinion is that now is the time to sign on with those sponsors who are making an effort to meet the challenges that are ahead.

If you don't do it now it may be too late when the changes happen because the sponsors that survive will find themselves in the ideal position of being able to pick and choose who they want for affiliates.

Just my

Sausage · 01-25-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve
If you don't do it now it may be too late when the changes happen because the sponsors that survive will find themselves in the ideal position of being able to pick and choose who they want for affiliates.

You are pretty spot on imho

However the 'good' sponsors will be able to choose which affiliates they want

There will always be shitty sites behind deceptive tours pandering to webmasters and promising the world.

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 08:46 PM

ARS is an industry leader, not by self proclamation but by MANY MANY others.

ARS brought rewards points to this business.
ARS brought PROFESSIONALISM to an industry that was about trust (obviously you haven't picked up on that whole professionalism thing yet)
ARS was the first to offer incentive payouts (ya know the first $75 day)
ARS is a leader in the this industry at providing quality, knowledgable service.

You can say what you want, but all you've ever done is run your mouth about stuff you do not have a CLUE about. The biggest question I ask myself is why in the hell ANYONE would pick you to be the face of an affiliate program.

Your complete lack of professionalism and candor is laughable. You can continue to use your little twig to poke and prod me, but I'm not taking the bate.

You are right in one respect, I am successful. However, I am NOT in trouble. I'm in the same position as almost EVERY other sponsor program out there. We're getting squeezed from every angle and trying to monetize traffic on a model that DOES NOT work anymore. In trouble is 18 months from now if we don't make changes. Today we're healthy as a horse and will continue to be because WE SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL and we are proactive enough to read it and react to it.

TheEnforcer · 01-25-2004, 08:52 PM

This certainly was an interesting thread to read!

BradShaw · 01-25-2004, 08:57 PM

I wish I was in trouble like Marc De!

The Other Steve · 01-25-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Sausage

However the 'good' sponsors will be able to choose which affiliates they want There will always be shitty sites behind deceptive tours pandering to webmasters and promising the world.

Sausage - it was a shame you missed it - there was some very interesting info given out there.

For a long while now Marie and I have pretty much sat in the background and just observed but even we were surprised by some of the info on Saturday.

dropped9 · 01-25-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by TheEnforcer
This certainly was an interesting thread to read!

You can say that again! Good thread!

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 09:00 PM

Headless / Enforcer - I feel a bit strange maybe I should post a (pic) to make it feel right ROFL

Yeah, I'm enjoying myself quite a bit!

Brad, last I checked you were in a whole heap of shit just like me !! ;)

p1mpdogg · 01-25-2004, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
ARS is an industry leader, not by self proclamation but by MANY MANY others.

ARS brought rewards points to this business.
ARS brought PROFESSIONALISM to an industry that was about trust (obviously you haven't picked up on that whole professionalism thing yet)
ARS was the first to offer incentive payouts (ya know the first $75 day)
ARS is a leader in the this industry at providing quality, knowledgable service.

You can say what you want, but all you've ever done is run your mouth about stuff you don't have not a CLUE about. The biggest question I ask myself is why in the hell ANYONE would pick you to be the face of an affiliate program.

Your complete lack of professionalism and candor is laughable. You can continue to use your little twig to poke and prod me, but I'm not taking the bate.

You are right in one respect, I am successful. However, I am NOT in trouble. I'm in the same position as almost EVERY other sponsor program out there. We're getting squeezed from every angle and trying to monetize traffic on a model that DOES NOT work anymore. In trouble is 18 months from now if we don't make changes. Today we're healthy as a horse and will continue to be because WE SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL and we are proactive enough to read it and react to it.

because I act like a jackass on the boards makes me a bad businessman? are you kidding me? Im not here to kiss ass or sugar coat things. I say what I want and I dont bullshit people. But I am not the topic here, you are.

the examples you gave for being an industry leader is laughable in itself. rewards points? come on man

$75 pay days? lol hale MarcDe he is the king. you are actually wrong about the rewards thing, but I will let that slide.

Dont judge me because I called your bluff last year
Dont judge me because Im a dickhead on the boards

I turned a program from nothing into something in such a short time(with the help of a select few), but I dont boast about it and claim I am anything special. I am just another guy trying to make a buck.

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The biggest question I ask myself is why in the hell ANYONE would pick you to be the face of an affiliate program.

and why not use me? Becuase I tell it straight and dont suck dick for hits?

3 things make you a success Marc and its really not that hard.

be honest with people. pay them on time. and keep shit simple.

Im still here and plan to be for a long time.

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Your complete lack of professionalism and candor is laughable. You can continue to use your little twig to poke and prod me, but I'm not taking the bate.

looks to me like you just did.

on the outside yea you guys are professional, great guys, team work blah blah.. what everyone doesnt know is what goes on behind closed doors.

Just dont claim to be an industry leader over petty things such as rewards points and $75 payouts. thats silly.

This entire industry was built on taking ideas from people and making them better. dont ever think I will forget the bullshit last year you pulled on me.

Mike AI · 01-25-2004, 09:03 PM

Marc, apparently you are near bankrupcy - so if you need me to take some of your cars off your hands, let me know!

This thread is brought to you by the genuises of GFY!

pamphage · 01-25-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg

looks to me like you just did.

on the outside yea you guys are professional, great guys, team work blah blah.. what everyone doesnt know is what goes on behind closed doors.

Just dont claim to be an industry leader over petty things such as rewards points and $75 payouts. thats silly.

This entire industry was built on taking ideas from people and making them better. dont ever think I will forget the bullshit last year you pulled on me.

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 09:07 PM

p1mpdogg - I didn't call your bluff. If I wanted to I could follow through on sueing you for profiting from a name that I added value to. I have a very strong case there. What your lawyers said I didn't? Of course they did, they only get paid if you need them...

Where did I call you a bad business man? I called you unprofessional sir, and that you ARE! without doubt.

You took nothing and turned it into something more than nothing, that makes it something. What that something is, isn't much!

In terms of what goes on behind closed doors? Oh you've been talking to disgruntled ex employees? Oh wow, that is a great source of objective non biased information ROFLMAO

TDF · 01-25-2004, 09:08 PM

how are webmasters supposed to know if the sale converts over when there is no revshare to reffer to?

Sausage · 01-25-2004, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Other Steve
Sausage - it was a shame you missed it - there was some very interesting info given out there.

For a long while now Marie and I have pretty much sat in the background and just observed but even we were surprised by some of the info on Saturday.

You don't need to remind me ... I am still beating myself up for not popping down. Do you think it was successful enough to become a regular event ?

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 09:09 PM

MikeAI - near bankrupcy? Hell, I passed that a long time ago. I'm playing with the bank's money now. Hopefully they aren't reading this thread ;) Soon they'll be taking away the very keyboard in which I type from!

BradShaw · 01-25-2004, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
Headless / Enforcer - I feel a bit strange maybe I should post a (pic) to make it feel right ROFL

Yeah, I'm enjoying myself quite a bit!

Brad, last I checked you were in a whole heap of shit just like me !! ;)

Yep! I just got back from Cabo looking for FM's condo so I could hide some $ in there. Times are tough, and my hair is falling out!

p1mpdogg · 01-25-2004, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Marc De
p1mpdogg - I didn't call your bluff. If I wanted to I could follow through on sueing you for profiting from a name that I added value to. I have a very strong case there. What your lawyers said I didn't? Of course they did, they only get paid if you need them...

Where did I call you a bad business man? I called you unprofessional sir, and that you ARE! without doubt.

You took nothing and turned it into something more than nothing, that makes it something. What that something is, isn't much!

In terms of what goes on behind closed doors? Oh you've been talking to disgruntled ex employees? Oh wow, that is a great source of objective non biased information ROFLMAO

sue me Marc, and see where it gets you. I think we did a good job at shooting your claim down, but hell, our lawyers dont have much todo these days, maybe they need something to keep them busy?

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Where did I call you a bad business man? I called you unprofessional sir, and that you ARE! without doubt.

True

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You took nothing and turned it into something more than nothing, that makes it something. What that something is, isn't much!

thats kind of a clever reply, I will have to steal that for future use hehe

its all good marc.. you think you are the shit, I dont think you are the shit. guess we will have to agree to disagree right?

Let me know if you still need any tips on getting your smoke site up...

love ya Marc

AliSin · 01-25-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Headless

You can say that again! Good thread!

Unlike the utterly useless drivel you post all the time

The Other Steve · 01-25-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sausage

You don't need to remind me ... I am still beating myself up for not popping down. Do you think it was successful enough to become a regular event ?

Teen Angel is already working on another one in 6 months - evidently she has had a lot of enquiries just in the last 24 hours from people who didn't make it this time. So many in fact that she had to go to the beach just to get away from them - life's hard when you're a graphic designer

Apart from the information that was given out there we also had some great opportunities to network and talk to people offering some new billing options, people who were looking for different sources of content, there were programming guys and sponsors - it was just a goldmine of information and contacts.

I think if it had a down side it was that it was almost too short - there were 5 or 6 people that Marie and I wanted to talk to but we never got the chance.

DraX · 01-25-2004, 09:25 PM

This thread is hot as

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 09:27 PM

pimpdogg - unfortunately you have me all wrong. I'm not an arrogant prick. I, as you like to claim yourself, say it how it is, I just use tact.

In regards to sueing you, believe it or not, but I don't believe in sueing people. However, sometimes it is necessary. If I felt you were profiting enough from the use of a name I created value for, or if I felt you were harming my business in any way I would gladly serve you with papers. Luckily for all of us you haven't become that large of a blip on my radar

Brujah · 01-25-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
pamphage - I hear ya... I don't necessarily think we're a dying breed like the dinosaurs. I do believe it is time for ARS ReInvented.

For what they WERE (are) GIM sites aren't that bad. Comparing them to other sites in the same catagory they held their ground nicely. Comparing them to video sites and reality sites they BLEW ass. Thus, pave the way for the new...

I love this guy!

p1mpdogg · 01-25-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
pimpdogg - unfortunately you have me all wrong. I'm not an arrogant prick. I, as you like to claim yourself, say it how it is, I just use tact.

In regards to sueing you, believe it or not, but I don't believe in sueing people. However, sometimes it is necessary. If I felt you were profiting enough from the use of a name I created value for, or if I felt you were harming my business in any way I would gladly serve you with papers. Luckily for all of us you haven't become that large of a blip on my radar

ahh, you are all heart.

its only been a year marc. what you did in 8 i will do in 2.

douchetard

Sausage · 01-25-2004, 09:31 PM

I would pay in the high 5 figures to see ARS's inside stats. Imagine the information you could glean !

KRL · 01-25-2004, 09:33 PM

Its so clear where the next phase of this industry is going. So very clear. Yet I can count on one hand the people that are making the moves to position themselves for the next big wave. And the funny part is its staring everyone right in the face, and its so close they don't see it.

This industry is just like the ocean. Learn to surf and see the waves heading in that everyone else is missing. And always keep in mind the waves come from the ocean NOT the beach. There is great meaning in that sentence if you read between the lines.

pamphage · 01-25-2004, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc De
pimpdogg - unfortunately you have me all wrong. I'm not an arrogant prick. I, as you like to claim yourself, say it how it is, I just use tact.

In regards to sueing you, believe it or not, but I don't believe in sueing people. However, sometimes it is necessary. If I felt you were profiting enough from the use of a name I created value for, or if I felt you were harming my business in any way I would gladly serve you with papers. Luckily for all of us you haven't become that large of a blip on my radar

lol. well at least he doesn't back off of pi1mpdog!

can you imagine someone from ibill coming here to get into it with pd? lol

TDF · 01-25-2004, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Its so clear where the next phase of this industry is going. So very clear. Yet I can count on one hand the people that are making the moves to position themselves for the next big wave. And the funny part is its staring everyone right in the face, and its so close they don't see it.

This industry is just like the ocean. Learn to surf and see the waves heading in that everyone else is missing. And always keep in mind the waves are coming from the ocean NOT the beach. There is great meaning in that sentence if you read between the lines.

great analogy..i havent been swimming long but i read the weather channel

picpile · 01-25-2004, 09:36 PM

don't you remember them kimmy kim and ccbill thing? which ccbill topdog came here and had a pissing match with trey?

there is no bad press

BVF · 01-25-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
I can count on one hand the people that are making the moves to position themselves for the next big wave.

This is MY position. It's worked so far...Wish Me Luck!

Marc De · 01-25-2004, 09:39 PM

pimpdog - while you are setting your goals high (that is a good thing) know the basis of your competition. ARS has only been around 4 years... I've been the same size for 3 of those 4 years. If you aren't as big as me now, I guess you lost your race mon ami !

Brujah - hopefully all sarcasm was lost on that post! I love you too bro...

KRL - I'll expand upon what you are saying - be prepared for change or get out of the way! This year more empires will fall than any other year before it...

KRL · 01-25-2004, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by BVF

This is MY position. It's worked so far...Wish Me Luck!

Actually you're not far off the target.

01-25-2004, 08:03 PM	#51
AliSin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4	50

01-25-2004, 08:06 PM	#53
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	no what Marc means by 'super niche' sites is a micro niche site like 'Indian Cocksuckers' - where a surfer joins up cuz that intrigued him but he finds if he's lucky 5 photosets and a video of some chick who is a vague shade of brown and then the cookie cutter members area filled with the same plugins the surfer has seen in the 100 other sites he's signed up to. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-25-2004, 08:12 PM	#60
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Wow - a big program owner talking sense and being pretty thruthful. It's all been on the cards for a long while now and has been amazing how few want to admit to it. Kudos to ARS and Marc for doing so and being among the first. Inevitably others will follow. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

01-25-2004, 08:14 PM	#62
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	I'd like to see ARS sites shift more towards TopBucks and NastyDollars type sites. Reality is good Exclusive content is good __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

01-25-2004, 08:18 PM	#64
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Marc's right - i've seen the GIM members areas - it's no worse than the other big programs and better than a bunch. the plugins on all these sites are almost completely useless when it comes to retention. people want to join a site for the main course. you don't see BangBros/Nasty loading up on plugins, it does nothing. personally other than Bubble Girls, CaliforniaPimp, Socal Streams and maybe Hustler and AEBN i wouldn't toss a nickel at a plugin. For teen and general hardcore niche anyway. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-25-2004, 08:05 PM	#52
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	What's a GIM site?

01-25-2004, 08:08 PM	#57
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	Thanks. I new about global but didn't put together the abbrev

01-25-2004, 08:10 PM	#59
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	pamphage - I hear ya... I don't necessarily think we're a dying breed like the dinosaurs. I do believe it is time for ARS ReInvented. For what they WERE (are) GIM sites aren't that bad. Comparing them to other sites in the same catagory they held their ground nicely. Comparing them to video sites and reality sites they BLEW ass. Thus, pave the way for the new...

01-25-2004, 08:13 PM	#61
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	GIM site lack exclusive content,but among major PPS with no exclusive content as well they are among the best from what I've seen.

01-25-2004, 08:16 PM	#63
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	Tipsy - thanks We consider ourselves to be an industry leader. Leadership is not defined as being the biggest or the best, its defined by making difficult decisions at difficult times. What we are working to do is not easy, but in the long term its the right decision! To truly reinvent yourself you must throw away the past, that is the most difficult part. The great thing is this thread will be gone within a few hours and people may forget until the months of work we've been doing reappear with ARS RI (ReInvented) and we follow through on our firm, bold stance that THINGS MUST CHANGE!

01-25-2004, 08:23 PM	#65
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	Mutt - thanks and that is what I meant when I 'defend' GIMs sites. Comparing apples to apples... However, plug in content mostly does BLOW and the key is providing the customers with an experience they can't get from any other paysite that is spending a few measley grand / mo on sub standard plug in videos. I believe there is a lot more to maximizing the monetization of traffic for affiliates and those changes will come down the pipeline too. I also believe there is other opportunities other than paysite promotion that webmasters can use to generate revenue from their traffic inventories (and easier). All changes to come with ARS RI! Coming Soon...

01-25-2004, 08:29 PM	#68
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	what an arrogant person you are marc. You are an industry leader? how so? original ideas? you didnt invent the byot you came out with some bs dialer years after the big dialer companies did conversions are crap for most people with your sites or havent you noticed. I got your guy emailing me asking to work with me on your new smoke/cigarette site.. since I already have one up.. looks like i got ya there... then when i told him who I was, he backed off. smart move. You are successful, I will give you that, but dont claim to be an industry leader when you clearly are in major trouble. I and a few others know whats going on. dont put up smoke and mirriors. __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

01-25-2004, 08:30 PM	#69
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	spam MarcDe, a good friend just finished the creation of the BEST movie plugin ever built. Wanna have one of the ars crew members to take a look at it? (it's not released yet to public) I wouldn't mention if it was one of the same spam

01-25-2004, 08:34 PM	#70
The Other Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sunny Queensland - perfect one day and better the next. Posts: 2,106	After one of the seminars at the Australian webmaster gathering this week it is obvious that there are a lot of things going on in the background in our industry that are soon going to start impacting on us. Content will be king was one of the recurring themes put forward by one of the biggest Australian sponsor. Just lately I've been inside a lot of paysites and it is no wonder that they cannot retain members. How can a site that offers hours and hours of niche video content on the tour but only provides 12 girls and 4 hours of that content in the members area hope to retain members? FWIW my humble opinion is that now is the time to sign on with those sponsors who are making an effort to meet the challenges that are ahead. If you don't do it now it may be too late when the changes happen because the sponsors that survive will find themselves in the ideal position of being able to pick and choose who they want for affiliates. Just my __________________ Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

01-25-2004, 08:46 PM	#72
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	ARS is an industry leader, not by self proclamation but by MANY MANY others. ARS brought rewards points to this business. ARS brought PROFESSIONALISM to an industry that was about trust (obviously you haven't picked up on that whole professionalism thing yet) ARS was the first to offer incentive payouts (ya know the first $75 day) ARS is a leader in the this industry at providing quality, knowledgable service. You can say what you want, but all you've ever done is run your mouth about stuff you do not have a CLUE about. The biggest question I ask myself is why in the hell ANYONE would pick you to be the face of an affiliate program. Your complete lack of professionalism and candor is laughable. You can continue to use your little twig to poke and prod me, but I'm not taking the bate. You are right in one respect, I am successful. However, I am NOT in trouble. I'm in the same position as almost EVERY other sponsor program out there. We're getting squeezed from every angle and trying to monetize traffic on a model that DOES NOT work anymore. In trouble is 18 months from now if we don't make changes. Today we're healthy as a horse and will continue to be because WE SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL and we are proactive enough to read it and react to it. Last edited by Marc De; 01-25-2004 at 08:49 PM..

01-25-2004, 08:52 PM	#73
TheEnforcer Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,855	This certainly was an interesting thread to read! __________________ Hit me up below for all your advertising needs!

01-25-2004, 08:57 PM	#74
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I wish I was in trouble like Marc De! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

01-25-2004, 09:00 PM	#77
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	Headless / Enforcer - I feel a bit strange maybe I should post a (pic) to make it feel right ROFL Yeah, I'm enjoying myself quite a bit! Brad, last I checked you were in a whole heap of shit just like me !! ;)

01-25-2004, 09:03 PM	#79
Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	Marc, apparently you are near bankrupcy - so if you need me to take some of your cars off your hands, let me know! This thread is brought to you by the genuises of GFY! __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

01-25-2004, 09:07 PM	#81
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	p1mpdogg - I didn't call your bluff. If I wanted to I could follow through on sueing you for profiting from a name that I added value to. I have a very strong case there. What your lawyers said I didn't? Of course they did, they only get paid if you need them... Where did I call you a bad business man? I called you unprofessional sir, and that you ARE! without doubt. You took nothing and turned it into something more than nothing, that makes it something. What that something is, isn't much! In terms of what goes on behind closed doors? Oh you've been talking to disgruntled ex employees? Oh wow, that is a great source of objective non biased information ROFLMAO

01-25-2004, 09:08 PM	#82
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	how are webmasters supposed to know if the sale converts over when there is no revshare to reffer to? __________________ Sig heil

01-25-2004, 09:09 PM	#84
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	MikeAI - near bankrupcy? Hell, I passed that a long time ago. I'm playing with the bank's money now. Hopefully they aren't reading this thread ;) Soon they'll be taking away the very keyboard in which I type from!

01-25-2004, 09:25 PM	#89
DraX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In wonderland.. Posts: 7,147	This thread is hot as __________________ Deposit Today With BTC - Play With Bitcoins

01-25-2004, 09:27 PM	#90
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	pimpdogg - unfortunately you have me all wrong. I'm not an arrogant prick. I, as you like to claim yourself, say it how it is, I just use tact. In regards to sueing you, believe it or not, but I don't believe in sueing people. However, sometimes it is necessary. If I felt you were profiting enough from the use of a name I created value for, or if I felt you were harming my business in any way I would gladly serve you with papers. Luckily for all of us you haven't become that large of a blip on my radar

01-25-2004, 09:31 PM	#93
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	I would pay in the high 5 figures to see ARS's inside stats. Imagine the information you could glean !

01-25-2004, 09:33 PM	#94
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Its so clear where the next phase of this industry is going. So very clear. Yet I can count on one hand the people that are making the moves to position themselves for the next big wave. And the funny part is its staring everyone right in the face, and its so close they don't see it. This industry is just like the ocean. Learn to surf and see the waves heading in that everyone else is missing. And always keep in mind the waves come from the ocean NOT the beach. There is great meaning in that sentence if you read between the lines. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains Last edited by KRL; 01-25-2004 at 09:36 PM..

01-25-2004, 09:36 PM	#97
picpile Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 734	don't you remember them kimmy kim and ccbill thing? which ccbill topdog came here and had a pissing match with trey? there is no bad press

01-25-2004, 09:39 PM	#99
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	pimpdog - while you are setting your goals high (that is a good thing) know the basis of your competition. ARS has only been around 4 years... I've been the same size for 3 of those 4 years. If you aren't as big as me now, I guess you lost your race mon ami ! Brujah - hopefully all sarcasm was lost on that post! I love you too bro... KRL - I'll expand upon what you are saying - be prepared for change or get out of the way! This year more empires will fall than any other year before it...