And what makes you think you're not one of them

I'll dumb it down for you if that's what you need.

and provide a child with a mother and father which is the best way to raise a child.

They can? they teach health class differently where you're from I guess.

nope. you're wrong. its no where near equally.

why, you fail there too?

Common sense works too.

by seeing my detractors.:1orglaugh

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They do. They have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

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This man is ruining our free world as we know it and you're starting to talk bullcrap about gay marriage and their incapabilties regarding raising kids.

Could it be that you were raised by republican monkeys :Graucho

a surprising number of bigots on this board. :(

It doesn't matter what the majority thinks. Human rights
superceed democracy. The constitution and bill of rights
were required to protect minorites from majorities.

desegregation was equally unpopular.

It's offensive Bush even suggested taking a document that gaurantees freedoms,
and adding a provision (it would be the only one) that denys freedom.

any president could of invaded a country and won. he lied and said it was because of WDM then it was terrorism then it was to free the people make up you mind. he BS'd his way into a war... stop believing what the FOX news channel tells you or wants you to believe. Isn't funny how the focused shifted from finding Bin Laden to invading Iraq. that's all BS, he literally put the safety of the people of the US aside to pursue something else. if you can understand and see that god help you...

Iraq was no threat to us, and they never really was. if there was WDM don't you think they'd use the weapons instead of fucking running and hidding

and another thing Americans really do care about the Iraqi people, that's just bullshit. after 9/11 americans wanted to bomb and kill anyone in the middle east. now we're all supposely wanting to help and free them. yeah right, brainwashed by the media AGAIN.

aaawwww, is someone mad because the US finally realized your country is irrelevant?:1orglaugh

I'm not surprised. Not in the slightest.

Conservativism is the last real bastion of bigotry.

Common sense quite often fails to make sense. 500 years ago, common sense said flying was impossible. 1000 years ago, common sense said diseases were caused by witches. Just 50 years ago, common sense said our whole business was impossible.

hehe, the union between a man and a woman has been known as marriage for thousands of years.
Now there is a liberal movement afoot to broaden its definition.
yeah, its a conserative, bigotted plot.:1orglaugh

Slavery has also existed for thousands of years. Your point is?

who cares of two people of the same sex wants to get married. i find it weird that "adult webmasters" are bush supports, as soon as he wants to clean up the internet and do away with porn i want to see how much you support him then

How terribly narrow-minded

Imagine if Bush passed a law that said the only way to get the benefits of marriage is to marry someone of the same sex?

Would you marry another man just so you could file your tax return as a married couple, and have visiting rights to your partner in the hospital, and be able to leave your land to your partner in case of your death?

A church shouldn't be forced to marry a gay couple if it violates their religous beliefs. But the government should NOT be given a choice in this matter! All men are created equal in America, our Constitution demands it.

It's a fucking injustice to deny people these rights based solely on the fact that they love someone that in your mind they shouldn't.

and provide a child with a mother and father which is the best way to raise a child

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is that so? do you read or watch the news? do you have actual conversations with people? you are starting to bore me.

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Look honey, I'm sure having your nose rubbed in the fact that you're not giving your children the best opportunity in life hurts but lets not play stupid.
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That its had the same definition for thousands of years.

anything else?:1orglaugh

Not going to happen.

liberal movement?

um.. democrats already have the right to marry.

It's gay people who need these rights still.

wtf is going on in your mind...whoever thinks europe is irrelevant is a dumbfuck. Bush doesn't know shit regarding foreign politics
(well..daddy's little boy doesn't know shit in general) wich is truly sad.

The one man fighting terror (*ugh*) can't fight terror without allies my friend.

Time for Clark to get the country back on track

Your insults are getting old, I don't think anyone thinks they're funny besides you. Anyone? Is that or any of 12clicks little insults making anyone laugh besides him self? Get over yourself douchebag, I've owned you so many times I lost count.

You asked me yesterday to back up my words and I did, why can't you do that, ever? Do you or do you not support the New American Century agenda? Do you even understand it? Who's the teacher here? I love you pretend Republicans, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about but you sure do love to speak up about everything. :1orglaugh

well you have just made a total ass out of yourself cause i dont have children. i dont want them at this point in my life so you lose!

now go play cause this adult world you dont understand.

So you aren't against change, only the change of definitions?

In that case, etymology must really piss you off :1orglaugh

I figure it's just a combo of the American National Anthem, Rush Limbaugh's radio show, and the Fox News intro songs all day long up there. How else could anyone be so ignorant?

Get used to it, it's his favorite passtime.

Absolutely 100% on track.

I agree 100% with every word you said. Couldn't have said it better myself.

12clicks doesn't understand big words.

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so i have been told but i gave the benefit of the doubt.....once.

get him the hell out...please!!! i have to register absentee so i can have my say...

Liberals has no problem with the Amendment XVI which did just that. Guess it was because that amendment supported their 'special' dogma.

I would vote Bush if I could vote.

wtf are you talking about, and what does it have to do with what everyone else is talking about? Why do so many americans discuss social issues as if they were defending their favorite sports team? I don't care what side said what when. I don't care if someone wants to stick a (D) or an (R) next to their name. That's just petty tribalism.

What I'm talking about is liberals are quick to scream equality... when it suits their purpose. I'm not discussing the issue as if I were defending my favorite sports team.

I made my point on page one... seems you missed it, so I'll repeat:

A secular state has no business recognizing or rewarding a religious institution. Gay marriage is not the answer. A true separation of church and state is. The 'state' has never had and continues to have no business rewarding or penalizing someone based on a decision of faith.

If any church wants to start 'marrying gays'... I could honestly not care less.


People that miss the point and whine about equality -- when it suits their purpose -- annoy me. Therefore... you annoy me.

Anything conservatives say you can pretty much bet the exact opposite is the case.

1. Republicans say they are for less government.

Under Bush Sr. the total govt workforce was above 12 million. With Clinton it was under 10 million. Now it is currently at 12.1 million.

2. Republicans say drug users are bad and should be locked up.

Two words....Bush and Rush.

3. Republicans preach family values.

Hello Newt.

4. Republicans say they are the 'moral party'.

I guess if you consider turning your back on the homeless, polluting the air and water for corporate profits, allowing millions to go without healthcare, invading countries on lies, and executing people with the IQ of a 10 year old moral.

But hey, they're doing it in the name of God, so its okay.

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The reasons behind why Bush wants no gay marriage are what is really scary, bigoted and pitiful. In his warped, religious way of thinking he thinks that outlawing gay marriage, and not giving tax breaks to these persons will somehow convince them that what they are doing is wrong, and that they will go to hell if they don't change.

I mean, forr goodness sakes people, the man doesn't believe in evolution!!!!!!!!!! And we're really gonna give him another term? 12clicks...sometimes I really hope you're joking.

When did we lose our allies?
Did they suddenly pack up and leave last night? I think that would've been on the news, don't you?

Our allies in Iraq:
Britain
Australia
Japan
South Korea
the Philippines
Thailand
Italy
Spain
Poland
Denmark
Hungary
Bulgaria
Ukraine
Romania
the Netherlands
Norway
El Salvador
and 17 other countries

Where do you see, or how do you think, that we don't have allies?
News flash: France and Germany are NOT the only other two countries in the world. They just happen to be ones with back-door deals with Iraq that go against UN Sanctions that they don't want revealed (too bad - been done - oh well). They were profiting quite nicely from selling illegal weapons to Iraq against the sanctions and trading weapons/parts for oil.
While other countries were following the sanctions for a dozen years, these two countries were thumbing their nose at everyone else.

And now, again, they are thumbing their nose at everyone else.
Lucky for the Iraqis though, 35 countries thought that ending the killing was more important than protecting the secrecy of illegal deals... and now the Iraqis are free. The biggest weapon of mass destruction - Saddam Hussein himself - has been dug out of a hole and no longer threatens the Iraqi people.

So take your "one man without allies" rhetoric and stick *it* in a hole.

A few things first off many of those countries on your list, their help was bought.

Secondly I am from NY and one of the first things you learn is not to take the opinions of anybody from NJ seriously lol.

To me if Bush was a true Republican (once apon a time Republicans were the money guys) he would encourage gay marriage because it promotes monogamy which prevents the spread of aids and saves the tax payers money.

Also they keep saying Marriage is a sacred thing not to be made a farce by the gays. I don't think you need the gays for that Brittany did a pretty good job of that lol.