If the gun is securely stored and has a trigger lock so your kids cant shoot each other, how can you use the weapon to protect your family from criminals who break into your house in the middle of the night while you are sleeping? If the gun was loaded and under your pillow, I can understand how it could be readily available, but then you have to worry about your kids shooting themselves, dont you?

I wish that people had to pass a stricter drivers test and had to do them regularily to retain the privilege of driving.

I will watch this happen on TV. Because we all know the revolution will be televised! hehe.

Yes. Organized and effective military against a rabble with some weapons? Nazi's were able to overpower several established armed forces. The USA military (note, not US citizens with guns, but trained professionals) would not have been able to pull a victory off if the Nazi's were not worn down and stretched thin by the efforts of the European armies.

Probably not.

Thanks for being civil, I am genuinely interested in real responses and info.

Yup.

Aren't most hunting accidents the cause of irresponsible hunters? People shooting at sounds and in bad visibility?

the right to bear arms is in our constitution.. since you are canadian.. you don't understand it.. they are not going to take away our guns... at least not in our lifetime.. so get over it..

That is because all of the people who own guns and use them responsibly are not newsworthy.

My gun is none of the above, but is also not accessable to my child.

I would rather shoot the thief. If they want money and goods, they can work for their own, and not steal mine. If none of them ever got shot, then there would probably be thousands of cowards willing to take the risk.

I understand it is in your constitution. Thats cool. (not that something drawn up a hella long time ago could be wrong tho, right? heh)

But I didnt say take away your guns. Nor did I say it was wrong to own guns.

I am curious IF owning a gun in your house (because I can own a handgun in canada and actually, there are two in my house right now - a 45 and a 9 mm) protects your family. You see, getting to the guns, unlocking the case, removing the trigger lock and loading the gun would take several minutes, which seems to me to be enough time for a criminal to tie up my family and shoot me.

So prove me wrong. Or get over it :)

Now, go kiss your gun
:glugglug

it's NRA propaganda. ie total and 100% bullshit. Carrie is being blindly led without looking for other sources of information. Like we all do at times when we find stats that back up the "side" we agree on.

All I gotta say is that's i'm very glad that guns are illegal here.

Jennym.

Your guns are not stored with a trigger lock or any other safety device? How is it stored?

Just curious, not bashing - unless you keep it under your pillow, then I think you are insane :)

what are you talking about??? I dont' have a gun to protect my house.. I have a gun to have a gun.. for hunting and for sport shooting... if I had to use it to protect my family great.. but that is the least of my worries... I believe that in canada..you ahve to call the RCMP just to take your hand gun to the range... lame

oh and one other thing.. I actually had a buddy in college who shot a dude at close range with a 12 gauge shotgun (not a handgun)... fucked him up pretty bad.. cops told him.. too bad the other two got away... btw.. the three guys were robbing his apartment...

JennyM your posts are fucking amusing. Please stop making useless points and trying to re-live your high school debate team days. Thanks!

Yes Jenny, take someones life for wanting to jack your stereo.

So you didnt read my posts then :)

I never disputed your right to own a gun. Someone made a comment that owning a gun will protect their property. I dont see how, as when a gun is properly stored it takes some time to get it ready for use.

And no, you dont call the rcmp to take the gun to the range, but kudo's for realising we have rcmp up here ;)

BTW - guns are lame. Quite boring and require very little skill, they are called the great equalizer for a reason :glugglug

sounds like you put yourself in the shoes of the criminal instead of the criminals victim.
I wonder why.:321GFY

fucked him up pretty bad? no shit huh? Sounds like an understatement hehe.

Why the fuck people gotta steal? pisses me off. Does no one have any self respect anymore? lazy bitches.

that is really sad indeed :(

That question probably shouldn't be applied to me since I don't have children in the house. My guns are kept ready at the bedside and one on my computer desk within reach.

My daddy had an interesting way of teaching us about gun safety. He let us shoot the 12 guage when we were 6. A bruised shoulder and sore arm made a kid seriously think about EVER touching his guns, and none of us ever did. Hell, I was 18 and in boot camp before I ever touched another one, and went through firearm training classes.

Yes.



Never underestimate the power of armed people in large groups, or those who would do whatever necessary to save their homes or families.


I don't plan on watching it.....


You're welcome, and thank you.

we have CFL's in Texas... (concealed firearm license) which means I can carry a gun loaded and hidden... come mug me with your knife ;-))

well then the canadians that i've spoken too who are trying to get handguns.. were misinformed...

handguns require quite a bit of skill to use.. I guarantee.. most people could not get a lethal shot off on a target over 15 ft.. espeicially if that target is moving..

Well i have to say, that I have NEVER known anyone that was shot by a gun in my lifetime (excluding WW1 and WW2).

I go culling every month or so. Kangaroos are a big problem on alot of our grain crops here in australia, so we need to cull them to stop damage.

I bet everyone in america has either seen someone shot, knows someone whos been shot or has been shot themselves.

Guns are a problem in the states, there is no way you can say they arent. I have 4 rifels here in my house, a 303, 22250, a lever action .44 rifle (which is my favourite) and an old ww2 303.

We arent allowed handguns in australia, the cops and shooting clubs are the only ones that have them, and i thank god for that.


Nath

Yeah, texas scares me. I dont think I will go down there - somebody might blame me for mad cow disease and take me out with their concealed 45 :)

I have a 3 month old child (tenants baby girl) in the house. Guns are still locked up - they have to be up here.

You do need a permit to bring the handguns to the range. You dont have to inform the rcmp every time you plan to visit the range tho.

As for the Nazi invasion vs armed citizen/basic militia.... I agree, that people with homes and families to defend will fight harder then an invading force... but the nazi's were very well trained, had exceptional tactics and superior weaponry. Any militia would not have stood a chance. Hell, the professionals didnt stand a chance.

Interesting topic nonetheless.

Why is my thought amusing. Battuss argued that cars can't be banned because they are a necessity. Fast cars are not a necessity, and allowing cars to only go 40-50 mph would serve their purpose and reduce accidental death.



If someone comes in my house uninvited, how am I to know what their intentions are. I will shoot first, and hope they don't live to answer questions later. Sorry if that sounds harsh to you, but I love my life and my daughters life, and would not hesitate to protect them!

During the night, it is usually stored in the headboard of my bed. Any other time, it is in the top of my closet. In my reach, but not my child's.

Not me! :thumbsup

Ok your the execption.

But i bet youve seen shooting related deaths on tv. We dont see them all that often over here, or if we do its generally some schmo shooting the back of his head off !!

Hmm.

Go ahead...spit it out. I won't attack you unless you start calling me an idiot. I welcome all thoughts on this subject.:winkwink:

Is the room locked when you aren't in it by chance? You'd be amazed at the lengths kids will go to in order to get something out of reach. :2 cents:

http://www.camchicks.tv/murder2.gif

This is the total homicide rate per country per 1000 people.
It includes all murders; guns, knives, pointy sticks, whatever.

You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the USA than in the UK.

to put it another way:

1 in 1000 european citizens will be murdered.
1 in 200 american citizens will be murdered.


If you argue it is not due to all the guns here,
then americans must just be 5 times as murderous.
right? :helpme

yes

and according to the chart you can see that Canadians are more murderous than the Nederlanders. (both places have no guns)

No the room is not locked. My child does not have the opportunity to reach my gun. First, she would have to go in my room without asking, which my child does not do. Second, I am not sure where she would get something to stand on that would make her tall enough to reach the gun. Third, my child is not out of eyes or ears range long enough to accomplish this anyway. As she gets older, I am sure some of this will change, and I will change with it.

Well, not to start a flame, but I think that is irresponsible. at the least, have the gun locked up in a box or with a triggerlock if you have a kid.

Kids, yours and your kids friends, are very capable of climbing into a closet and pulling the gun out.

I used to go thru my moms closet when I was a kid to get the toys she took away from me when I misbehaved. I can see a kid pulling out a gun thinking it is a toy and mishandling it easily.

Or at least tell me the closet locks with a key or a combo lock, etc.

:)

When your and your families lives are in danger from a criminal all the statistics in the world mean exactly jack fucking shit.

true

You're not gonna start a flame...I can respect your thought. I answered most of that in my previous post to Tala. One other thing I didn't mention is that if by ANY chance my daughter did get to my gun, she can't cock it. I can barely do it, and she is only about 50 lbs. It is impossible. But that point doesn't matter much, since she can't get to the gun now.

sorry, I opened the response window and took a while to type it out as I was doing a bit of work...

sorry.. but I think I need the rest of this proof posted...

50 of every 1000 people are murdered in the US.. get a fuckin clue...


by your stats... 50,000 people will be murdered in my city this year...
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

good math and reading skillz :thumbsup

1 in 200. 5 in 1000. not 1 in 20. not 50 in 1000

http://www.nationmaster.com/

um...box cutters?

This a fucking postbot posting news all day damn.

too bad about that edit timeout eh? one word: bible