First of all, most criminals do not possess handguns legally anyway.

Why is this stupid?? Why is it that people think guns should be banned because people are killed accidentally? But not ban cars, which kill way more people than guns? Accidental deaths happen every year from guns, cars, stairs, and fucking choking on candy.

Get a fucking grip. Everyone wants the government to stay out of their business, but then they think the government should "protect all of mankind" from themselves.

Thanks, i was waiting for this. It filters out the stupid people from the real stupid people. Guess where you belong. Im not even gonna explain the difference between having a gun and having stairs in your house.

Most of those deaths are suicide. They would have ended up dead on way or another. The gun really didn't have much to do with it.

How many of those murders were committed with LEGALLY OBTAINED handguns?

Please stop, you make baby jesus cry.

So, because less than 1000 people died using a product negligently, that means that responsible gun owners should be stripped of their right to own a gun?

With all due respect...you are the idiot!

Oh, I get it now. You are not smart enough to argue the legitamate points, so you just call people names, and blah, blah, blah.

I would be happy to listen to any VALID argument you may have, but I guess you don't have any.

Shit i have to comment on it:

Fact: Suicide 17,424 with the use of guns
Jenny's repsonse: The gun really didn't have much to do with it. They would have ended up dead on way or another.

This is easily the most idiotic thing i read all way.

With no respect whatsoever: you can't read a graph, or understand statistic. Go shoot yourself.

Please Jenny, you are an agry little girl who cant think clearly and talks nothing but bullshit. As this thread shows im open to discussions but im not gonna waste time on your small brain.

Um, I would really rather face a mugger with a knife than a mugger with a gun. At least if he has a knife, I can get out of range pretty darned easily.With a gun, you're never sure if you're out of range. Same with robbing a bank with a knife. Same with B&E'ing a house with a knife. A good dog outweighs a knife any day. So yes, I would rather the petty criminals have knives than guns. Criminals who make more money will always have money to spend on black market guns, but at least the crackheads will be restricted to knives and crap like that.

You got that right!

Hey dumbass, I wasn't referring to the graph. In the first paragraph it says

Accidental Deaths 866

If we want to talk about Homicides, then you should first tell me how many homicides were commited using a LEGALLY OBTAINED gun. Otherwise the figure means nothing.

I am far from an angry little girl. It is a shame you are not intelligent enough to come up with one valid argument

Do you really think that people who commit suicide would say
"Oh shit, I don't have a gun. Guess I will have to continue living."

No, they will slit their wrists, hang themselves, O.D. on pills, etc....

OK, you're a silly little girl

This is really my last reply to you.

I am NOT gonna argue with people who compare having stairs in a house with having a gun in a house. Something you dont understand about that? Thanks.

Now go find a thread about music or the latest mj news, it will be less complicated for you.

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Originally posted by kmanrox


didn't your country get overthrown by the Nazi's?
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I think he's talking about when we (Gun toting USA citizens) came in and kicked the shit out of Germany after they invaded your Country in 1940 and killed a bunch of your people and raped your women.

Ah i figured something like that...thanks.

Nothing like stating the obvious. Other things that produce tons of deaths.

Automobiles...Motorcycles...Airplanes...Trains...B icycles...Industries...Agriculture...Mining...Fire s...etc. etc.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
I understand your reluctance to attempt an intelligent debate.

Anyway, have a nice day!:glugglug

Once again people. If you like to shoot then by all means do so but not 1 dead by guns can be justified. Not 1.

Accident, suicide, homocide, i dont care, it happened because there was a gun available. Period.

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!! IT WAS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT. Everyday 10 people in the State of Calfornia ALONE DIES as a result of AUTOMOBILE accidents!!

Battus, let's go have a beer, even theking has joined in now, I think this thread is attracting all the morons somehow :)

First off, I will not be doing any name calling. It is my opinion that name calling only makes the caller look bad and tends to make his arguments seem less.

Part of what jenny said is correct, and part is not. The majority of the gun-related deaths in the United States are due to suicide. However, I don't believe they would have died anyway were they unable to get to a gun. They would have had to think it through a bit more in requirement to find a different method, which may well have saved some of their lives, though hardly all.

What Carrie said is correct. In the cities and towns throughout the US where it is required for each family to own a gun of some sort, the crime rate has dropped significantly. I don't know about you, but if I were a criminal, I sure as hell am going to avoid a town where I know everyone is armed. You break into someone's home there and chances are, you're going to get shot.

In many states of the United States, cars kill more people annually than guns. Sorry, that's a fact, and whether or not you think it's stupid bullshit is up to you. Personally, I don't give a fuck.

We were granted the right to keep and bear arms because we didn't appreciate being repressed. We also have the right to a well-organized militia and we have the right to overthrow the government in favor of something better. (No, we haven't done that yet. I have to admit, I'm kinda dreading it and kinda looking forward to it. Strange feeling, really.)

Thought to turn over for a bit: Had weapons been in the homes of the people of Nazi-occupied Europe, would the Nazis really have been able to take over?

Had weapons not been available to the people of the United States, would we still be a British territory?

Please respond ONLY on the post, and NOT as to whether or not you think I'm stupid. I really don't give two shits.


And don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.

Altho youre not my favourite gfy'er you are not stupid. Please dont place yourself next to jenny in the stupidness charts.

Everybody knows guns are not needed (except in war) but cars, trains, agriculture etc is our world, its our work, its something we need. We couldnt live witouth it out. Guns dont belong in that group. And i know you know that but for some reason prefer to act stupid.

Blame it on guns if you want to, but keep in mind an idiot can kill with a bottle of bleach.

I'm amused at all the people coming out blaming guns. 42,000 people die in car crashes every year. Should we outlaw cars?

The guy shot into the brush? No gun would be that stupid, only a dumb mother fucking human being, of which there are millions.

And yes, guns have as much a right to exist as any tool.

The Top Ten Causes Of Accidental Death In America

10. Machinery
Deaths per year: 350

9. Medical & Surgical Complications and Misadventures
Deaths per year: 500

8. Poisoning by gases
Deaths per year: 700

7. Firearms
Deaths per year: 1,500

6. Suffocation
Deaths per year: 3,300

5. Fires and burns
Deaths per year: 3,700

4. Drowning
Deaths per year: 4,000

3. Poisoning by solids and liquids
Deaths per year: 8,600

2. Falls
Deaths per year: 14,900
including falls from ladders, down stairs, over curbs, off buses, into manholes, and through plate glass windows.

1. Motor vehicle crashes
Deaths per year: 43,200

Looks like my kid is safer in a home with guns than one with stairs, ladders and windows.
:winkwink:

Like I said...


People are going to murder each other or kill each other accidentally for as long as the human race exists. Guns are only one method by which this truth comes to fruition.

Some people die from vehicular incidents.
Some die from falling out of windows.
Some die from consuming toxins.
Some die from trying stupid stunts like the girl on the merry-go-round I posted about earlier.

If all guns disappeared tomorrow and could no new guns could ever be created, people would still die from accidents and murders.

I could kill you with my bare hands if I wanted to.

Better outlaw knives, swords, bows and arrows, sledgehammers, axes, and ice picks too.

Tala i see where you coming from and you are pointing out a problem. The problem is guns were legal in your country in the first place. Making them illegal might have a strange effect and mabye even a wrong effect. (It would still lower the amount of deads by guns tho) If your country wouldnt have allowed guns in the first place you would have a couple of 100.000 accidents a year less. Do you know what i mean?

We'd still be under the rule of the British who were supressing us with guns.

BTW, I don't agree with your theory: Even if no one had guns (even criminals) then it would be too easy for thugs to pick on the elderly and women.

What if a couple of thugs broke into your grandmothers house, or your own house while you were away, wouldn't you want your wife or paramour to be able to protect themself and to have something to EQUALIZE the situation?

YES i know people can die because of cars and trains and knives etc. Goddamn, you people are freaking me out.
This is not a reason to allow guns!!!!

I just fucking saying guns makes killing and accidents and suicides way easier.

Our system relies on cars and fucking windows in your house. And we need knived to slice our bread....please dont be so stupid to compare this with guns.

The difference is that pulling a trigger is easy. It's much easier to shoot someone than to knock their brains out with a bat, or strangle them, or stab them. Not only physically easier, but (especially) psychologically.

Tala - I will concede the point you made on suicides. I certainly do believe that some of those people may not have killed themselves without an "immediate" way to do so.

Battus
It seems to me that many people "lived" without cars, and trains for many, many years.

My point on guns is that most people who use guns CRIMINALLY do not obtain them LEGALLY, so making them illegal really doesn't impact the criminals.

you're right.


I'll reword.

you're a COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT

No dude, read what i just said, we cant outlaw cars, they are needed to keep the system running. Guns ARE NOT needed except in war situations. PLEASE dude, think for a minute.

I was responding to your blantantly obvious statement. Your surely are not now taking the position ("guns are not needed") that because something is not needed one should not have it?

Many people do not "need" cars but own several.

Thanks, that really means something coming out of your mouth.
Great arguments! Keep it up oh smart one.

So what if it is easier or more efficient to use a gun than a claw hammer? Would you rather see the mob going around jamming cell phones with 9-1-1 dialed on them already down their victims throats until they suffocated?

shows what happens when they legalize hashish