Ever watch those A & E specials, where they show criminals go through the Parole process...only to be to stupid to know that
they did anything wrong

That's what this thread reminds me of. Listening to Hooper, you would think that he is up for businessman of the year. When the real fact is he doesn't have a clue that his sales techniques are pure and simply criminal.

If you want to sell software...why not go to a company that offers the same type of thing...and doesn't rip off the consumer. Your customer get's the same product..and you don't have to turn yourself into a sleazebag in the process.

Run a search for popup stopper or go to www.shareware.com or www.download.com and find out what their top security utility programs are. Most of the programs have affiliate programs. You make the same amount of profit...without the sleaze factor. (Actually, you will make more. Some of Hoopers customers will read the T & C, and be scared off. With the other programs, the consumer Hopper just lost, would have been a converted sale).

this thread sure went in the wrong direction. Rightfully so.

Only because of his statements in the Atherton thread. Everyone here is selling porn, and promoting porn sites with shady billing disclosure.

If you wanna make money promote Hooper, or promote Atherton. If you want to promote virtue you're in the wrong business (probably).

These sites were designed on a mac, and last i checked, on safari the 24.95 is visible without any scrolling. I'll have our designer test it with a pc to make sure it's visible.

Thanks for the heads up!

*cough*dick*cough*

we havent actually ever recurred anybody. that is there as an option for us should we ever choose to implement the recurring system. If we do ever actually implement a recurring model we will raise payouts.

I think those of you whining about our terms should go read the t&c for the biggest IPSP right now. It gives them the right (on line 100,332) to increase the price of rebills at their discretion without notice.

since i posted this thread we've had more than 70 new webmasters signup.

yesterdays conversions? 1:108

pipecrew, this thread is just fine with me.

i'd be happy if the bashing keeps going for a month. now if this was a long running program i wouldnt be too happy. let me explain for the newbies.....

when you're launching a new program, nobody knows of the program.

if you announce it and nobody pays attention, nobody still knows of the program.

if you announce it and everybody praises it, it's boring and nobody pays attention.

if you announce it and everybody pays attention, some people bitch and some people praise, then everybody knows of the program and they're all thinking about it.

lesson? any pr is good pr when you're new :)

Do you what ever you want but I don't see how you can call others scammers.

Pornsites can rebill because they update there sites atleast once a week (most do), but what do you offer them?

People can say what they want
but hooper won't let me lie here
when i beta tested Idownload and sent some traffic to WMKiller,
i Converted 1:20 RAW..

If i was concerned with ethics i'd go volunteer at the local hospital or the homeless shelter..

Congrats hooper,


p.s. wanna buy some cheap land in palestine?
i'll sell it to u at $20 per acre, and a monthly $24.95 maintenance fee..

:Graucho :Graucho :Graucho

hooper,

very interesting way to do a software program like that. I like your idea..

I'm sure quite a few others will follow shortly.

There is the one problem with recurring billing though. Like you said, make sure you check it on a PC, because the price is NOT visible without scrolling.

Also, you must admit, that you have a REASON why you put it in the scroll box on the BOTTOM and not on the top with the rest of the price info. Obviously you know as everyone else here that 99% of the people do not READ terms. Also, you might want to know that when IE opens your page, and you click on the scroll bar to scroll the text down on the terms, it immediately drops to the bottom, skipping all the text. You have to add a "readonly" to the textarea tag so that the cursor does not sit in the terms.

1:20 on what kind of traffic?

i'll give you 3 guesses ;-)

archik was one of our original beta testers and his conversions are not unusual.


btw Nathan, thanks for the input! i had never heard of readonly til now on a textarea! we've updated the terms so that the recurring price is clearly visible, so now will everybody stop whining and just send me your traffic? ;-)

:1orglaugh

Wow that makes it so much better...

Who read "terms & Conditions" when they buy a fucking SOFTWARE!!?? Is that VISA and Mastercard approved that you can put additional charges in the "term & condition" notice?

When people will receive the credit card bill... will it be clearly stated that this is a charge from Idownload.com or popupblocker.com ??! Ofcourse not! .. nobody will know what the fuck is this charge..alot wont chargeback because of it.. and those who do wont know who to blame for it...

The thing is you just need one customer to report you to Visa and your toast! I mean.. Idownload.com.. sounds big... Visa will be interested in going after that!

So when you all think Visa and MasterCard will stop tolerating reccuring charges online...? ALot of people will lose alot of money.. it wont be pretty.. and we will know in part who to blame!

uhh

you are funny

Simple fact is...there are a ton of companies out there who offer the same sort of software that Hooper does. Only thing is they don't use misleading and scamming rebilling techniques. They have been in business for years. And, unlike Hopper, they don't stand the risk of the CC companies shutting them down because of excessive complaints or chargebacks-which means Hooper's affiliates wouldn't get paid.

Plus, you do stand the REAL risk of surfers reading the T & C, and being scared off from making a purchase. (No purchase means no commission!) You won't run into this problem with any of the above-board, honest software companies.

So, it seems like a no brainer. Why not give your customers real value without the scams. You will make the same amount or more. So why sink to the level of the bottom suckers, like Hooper.

Want to find some of the HONEST programs out there...check out www.regnow.com

any intelligent person at least gives the t&c a once over when they buy something. the world is filled with stupid people, but to buy our software if you havent read the terms then you have to be a liar too, because you MUST check the "i have read the terms" box in order to proceed.

are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not.

charges appear (as it says on the join page) as iDownload.com for both credit card and ach transactions. and on your cc statement our toll free billing support number appears.

We're not even classified as high risk 49th. Our merchant account is and has been in very good standing for almost 2 years now.

My god, I can't believe you actually said this, "are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not". You have some serious issues there mate.

Anyhow, as I said before, want to find some HONEST programs that give your customers REAL value without the Hooper scams, check out www.regnow.com or go to www.shareware.com. I can guarantee that the software that appears on the top of their list is also their best selling. And they all have affiliate programs. So why scam when you can provide real value.

And, as far as your quote, That should change with your new found business wisdom..and if not, still the choice remains. Sell your software, with the built in scam option, or promote one of the other hundred's of companies who don't have to resort to your sleaze techniques.

Very Ironic....

Isn't this the same Hooper who bitched and whined when CashQuest was going to launch a LEGIT pop up blocker offering to webmasters? In fact, I think you even threatened litigation over it because you were concerned about losing some of your pop up revenue if it really took off.

Also the same Hooper who complains about others billing tactics, but then comes up with a bunch of lame excuses over his own. At least be man enough to own up to what you're doing instead of treating everyone at GFY like they are idiots. You're not fooling anyone.

Too funny.....:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

any intelligent person!? Now thats a VERY INTELLIGENT assumption...

Im fairly confident that at least 95% of people have bought stuff during the last year without reading thoroughly
the "term & condition" notice... That makes them dumb.. so then deserving of being charge additional money? :1orglaugh

And then you go blame it on "they lied" so they deserve it!:1orglaugh How weak is that!?

Just admit it.. you dont put a "$24.95 recurring" notice on the top of the page because you hope to SCREW the people that dont read the "term & condition" notice when they are buying a SOFTWARE!

Again. im asking.. is mentionning additional reccuring fees hidden in the "term & condition" notice Visa approved..?

100 software titles for sale

Personally I would chargeback a charge coming from a tos line if i could. I belong to the consumers that don't read the TOS of the products and services I purchase and I never had such kind of charge in my cards. I understand agressive billing, marketing etc but I think these cases go too far.

i thought Hooper said that they had never recurred any signups at this point...

DEtoxed? :1orglaugh

ANother GFY idiot in the same league of Oracleporn and all those TCG sig whores... Last time I heard... you were still shopping for a brain..!?

i'll deal with you elsewhere ken. how does that phrase go "loose lips sink ships" ?

any comments on why all of jettis and it's affiliated programs are using cogent? doesnt that hurt your affiliates and gateway users?

Oh, silly us. What are we worried about. Obviously, he never has any intention of recurring then, does he. This is just a clever way to scare off potential customers. Boy, he's not just a great businessman, he get's my vote for marketer of the year.

Anyhow, check out www.regnow.com for 100's of competitive mainstream affiliate programs that have chosen not to scam their customers.

you are correct.

eh congrats on starting this new programme offering programs that absolutely no one needs.
When you don't make the money you expect I know you will be filling my inbox with spam though, hope you go broke soon, next!

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Bring it on Hooper. Two can play and I like to play hard. Let's see who's still standing when the dust settles ;)

Nice diversion tactic, but last I checked this thread was about your shady billing practices. You should probably get your facts straight before asking stupid questions about Jettis.....

last i checked this put you on cogent.

PING jettis.com (38.118.146.33): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 38.118.146.33: icmp_seq=0 ttl=38 time=85.162 ms


Traceroute has started ...

traceroute to 38.118.146.33 (38.118.146.33), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 209-163-161-129 (209.163.161.129) 1.961 ms 2.45 ms 1.16 ms
2 tagg-01-t1-6-0-1-9-0.ausu.twtelecom.net (64.132.230.185) 14.808 ms 9.318 ms 5.176 ms
3 dist-01-so-3-2-0-0.ausu.twtelecom.net (207.67.89.121) 5.443 ms 5.388 ms 5.447 ms
4 core-01-so-1-0-0-0.dlfw.twtelecom.net (168.215.53.93) 13.925 ms 9.434 ms 13.644 ms
5 core-02-ge-0-2-1-2.dlfw.twtelecom.net (66.192.246.65) 9.678 ms 11.296 ms 10.092 ms
6 66.192.246.53 (66.192.246.53) 13.709 ms 9.688 ms 10.123 ms
7 66.192.252.134 (66.192.252.134) 75.192 ms 176.53 ms 203.043 ms
8 p11-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.189) 10.416 ms 11.527 ms 15.221 ms
9 p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.98) 19.681 ms 37.11 ms 55.834 ms
10 p14-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.6) 111.818 ms 46.221 ms 46.055 ms
11 p4-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.77) 93.479 ms 61.065 ms 48.827 ms
12 g7.ba21.b004747-1.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.10.154) 51.329 ms 50.03 ms 51.377 ms
13 jettis.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.3.170) 49.33 ms 72.397 ms 63.266 ms
14 vlan7.laxcssw01.zanti.com (38.118.146.19) 82.077 ms 90.219 ms 79.07 ms
15 * * *
16 * * *

oh the drama.

just to be fair:

PING idownload.com (216.130.187.146): 56 data bytes

traceroute to 216.130.187.146 (216.130.187.146), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 209-163-161-129 (209.163.161.129) 2.317 ms 3.24 ms 1.277 ms
2 tagg-01-t1-6-0-1-9-0.ausu.twtelecom.net (64.132.230.185) 9.719 ms 6.113 ms 11.273 ms
3 dist-01-so-3-2-0-0.ausu.twtelecom.net (207.67.89.121) 23.046 ms 6.439 ms 6.096 ms
4 core-01-so-1-0-0-0.dlfw.twtelecom.net (168.215.53.93) 11.8 ms 18.827 ms 9.822 ms
5 core-01-ge-0-3-0-1.nycl.twtelecom.net (66.192.255.0) 58.042 ms 58.553 ms 57.842 ms
6 peer-01-so-0-3-1-0.nycl.twtelecom.net (66.192.240.62) 58.282 ms 58.309 ms 60.581 ms
7 nyiix.nyc2.webair.net (198.32.160.100) 58.615 ms 59.041 ms 58.528 ms
8 216.130.160.2 (216.130.160.2) 58.659 ms 59.537 ms 58.461 ms
9 idownload.com (216.130.187.146) 58.405 ms 58.864 ms 58.576 ms

I also find it interesting that at the start of this thread, you stated that conversions are:

popupblocker - 1:83
secure favorites - 1:109
windows messenger killer - 1:128

And yet your banner says 1 in 20.

So, then, what is it...oh, wait, I've got the right answer...you are basically just full of shit.

And again I suggest webmasters check out www.regnow.com. Literally hundreds of HONEST mainstream affiliate software programs. Make out like a bandit without having to resort to actually being one.

And no hard feelings Hooper..it's just that I think you are a lowlife crook.

P.S. What the hell does Jettis being on Cogent have to do with anything. Someone is gasping for air here...no names mentioned. (Hooper)

no hard feeling with you either 49th.

my banner doesnt say average conversions of 1:20.. and posters in this thread have confirmed that they are/were doing 1:20 raw with our program.

regnow doesnt accept referrals from porn sites. other than that, fantastic idea!

Ah, yah, it does.. "Great titles ...." "Converts at 1:20"

And yes, regnow is actually 100's of independant companies..and yes the vast majority do allow adult material. And they only scratch the surface. There are literally 100's of affiliate programs out there...HONEST affiliate programs. I think I can give the other webmasters on this board enough credit to assume that they know how to use google to search them out.

Anyhow, back to the pond with you, my scum sucking friend. It's time to let this thread die. I do agree with you 100% on one of your points..any publicity is good publicity..and I for one don't want to jump on your publicity bandwagon.

this is like talking to a 5 year old.

bottom line is you can promote whoever the hell you want to or dont want to. i really dont give a fuck what you do.

BUT

• Our program is solid!
• Our conversions are fantastic!
• Run by marketing professionals, not amateur programmers!
• New titles introduced regularly!
• Works great in exit consoles, mailers, and members areas!
• Run by the most loved GFYer ever, Hooper! ;-)

check it out: http://www.idownload.com and find out what all the fuss is about yourself.

heheeh *Giggleing*

Finally, something I agree with.

Anyhow, to recap for you late comers. Hooper's program sells a number of software titles. HIDDEN in the T & C is a clause that states that if you purchase the software you will also AUTOMATICALLY be billed a recurring $24.95 software of the month fee.

So, as an affiliate, you have to factor in that some surfers will read the T & C, and simply decide not to purchase.(So you lose any possibility of commission). Plus, you have to consider the fact that you are scamming people out of their hard earned money. (People, as in people that are no different then your friends and family).

Or you can simply sign up for one of the other 100's of legitimate and Honest programs out there. Make the same or more money... and offer REAL value.

Hmm...doesn't seem like that hard of a choice to me.

You keep saying you're going away, but you keep coming back. I have to assume that means your a liar or an idiot. not sure which.

We tested conversions without any recurring notice, we tested several different price points, and higher price points affected conversions, but adding the recurring notice absolutely did not.

Adding the recurring notice resulted in a higher call volume to our call center requesting to not be billed for sotm club however. A cost which we bear.

49th, until you run something of your own, or do processing and can run the actual numbers you're just talking out of your butt.

Leave this to the professionals.

So..what in your response changes the scum sucking quality of your business practices. You really don't have a clue, do you.

Non-scamming affiliate programs:

www.regnow.com
www.shareware.com (simply check out their top listed programs. These are the ones that will also sell well for you)

The above offer the same as Hooper, without having to resort to being a crook.

P.S. Don't move to my neighborhood. We don't like your type here.

our billing practices are up front and honest.

i know it sucks to look in the mirror and see you every day, but dont worry, you've got gumption kid. i'm sure with a little work you can build something of your own and stop being a hanger-oner.

In the mean time 49th, you should feel free to keep posting regnow and the others, their programs suck and most of the products on their programs suck too.

Stick with the pros, stick with what is simple, stick with somebody who understands YOUR kind of traffic.

http://www.idownload.com :thumbsup