... I am the best example, my cock was less than 2" a couple of month ago, today my balls have grown to a size, big enough to take on any cocksucker here.

... and just to let you know, I come from a very wealthy background, my parents have been very proud of me since day one.

k, you can call it what you want.

i'll call it profitable with full and clear disclosure. the sotm club is the first thing listed on the t&c and the customers have to manually agree to the t&c.

so if somebody checks the "i agree" box but havent even read the first few lines of the t&c then they deserve what they get.

but the truth is that most people are like you, they arent fools, they read the t&c and they call up and cancel within the first few days.

either way, sign up, promote the products, make great money, stop whining :)

Hopper...No thanks...I think you missed the part where I called your business tactics sleazy.

And Funkmaster...oh to hell with it...you wouldn't understand...

Well?

yeah it looks good aside from the recurring charge. sure its a good way to make money but that software is not worth paying 25 bucks a month for.

i'm not going to go into the details of our customer policies, but yes, usa customers receive a physical disk every month.

... what wouldn't I understand, my balls are bigger than yours, my purse is ready to explode, my family is fucking educated and extremely wealthy. go and read a book.
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I wouldn't walk into a strangers house and steal from their wallet... And that's all you are doing..with the internet as your front. Any way you cut it, you're still a weazily little crook. And don't worry funkmaster...that includes you as well.

And here's the short version of the "customer policies".

"SCAM"

The things people will do for money.

It's fucking sickening.

:glugglug 50 Announcements

Hooper get on icq

Could take awhile. I believe he's out right now, stealing the pension money from the folks down at the retirement home.

looks good apart from the recurring billing.

lets face it you are just looking for the percentage that doesnt read that T & C or the ppl that forget so you can keep hitting them with rebills. Just another way to make ppl insecure about purchasing online :thumbsup

also as it is a software type program the majority of ppl are going to assume it would be a one off payment. I thought that before i read the T & C i feel sorry for the ppl that dont have the experience to know any better.

thats sorta ironic that the owner of this program cant even explain what the people are getting while he is hitting the peoples credit card each month..

I guess we know how you came up with the name "QUICK BUCK"

:1orglaugh

Exactly.

why is it ok to rebill on adult but not on nonadult pipecrew?

I hate to be the wet blanket, but this same model, minus the clearly stated charges in any terms, is how Girls Gone Wild (and any clone) and Time Life and many other mainstream companies make their money. In the case of GGW they don't even give you clear information on how to get out, have inactive phone numbers and warehouse mailing addresses, etc.

So he's certainly not the first, not that it excuses it. Just stating a little prior art.

- Titus

Edit: Video Professor does nearly the exact same thing Hooper is doing, they just advertise on TV instead.

I like you more and more every day :)

Not really...
They give you 2 cds free....but they send you 3.
If you don't send the 3rd one after like 21 days than they charge you. But you can send it and you wont be charged.

we also refund the charge if the customer returns the disk. it's beyond the scope of a program announcement to go into all the details of how exactly we manage our recurring billing solution.

it is very legit however. check our bbb record.

Whats is a bbb record?

Program looks great.

Recurring is king all of you that sell software are just jealous and will be adding it to your sites as soon as you can.

Can anyone tell me why GGW made so much money?

uhmm..because it was a scam...?????

bbb stands for better business bureau, which customers can file complaints but rarely do anymore cause the BBB has absolutely NO power to do anything

bbb has lots of power if you want to display their buttons and wish to prove to customers that you are a legitimate program.

http://www.bbbonline.org/cks.asp?id=103081815552832693

You are out of place in the business world. 9/10ths of the products sold anywhere are "snake oil". :1orglaugh

Time Life vs. iDownload ?

Don't make me laugh.

Compare:

http://www.timelife.com/is-bin/INTER...me=1&Pro mo=f

To Hooper's order page.

Can't see the glaring difference? Then you shouldn't be in business.

Hooper, you use exactly the same arguments Atherton does.

"It's clearly there in the Terms and Conditions"

"If they signed up they had to agree to the Terms"

And so on.

Funny shit.

well rooster, i disagree with you.

we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault.

bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled.

i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "...

if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid.

This is sorta like cross-selling a surfer but puting in fine print in the terms that they must opt out of the 10 sites you gave them a 3 day free trial to, otherwise they get billed $39.95 per site.

which titles are 15 and which are 20?

Let's just say that your business practices don't fill me with confidence, so I've no intention of becoming a customer nor an affiliate of yours. EVER. Unless something radically changes.

If I happened to see your software in the shop, I MAY buy it. That's correct. But I wouldn't be put on a recurring billing plan would I?

And even as you type it you know your argument about the Terms & Conditions is flimsy. I would bet $1,000 NOW that the last piece of software you installed, you skipped right past the T & C screen.

Right? :winkwink:

well at least we can agree to disagree :)

quiet, the 15-20 is just volume driven (sliding scale per period)... the same for all sites. hit me up on email to talk about your sales volume if you'd like.

life is about timing :)

Hooper.. auto rebilling clients that just bought a 'semi-useless' software product by making them member of some 'software club'
is shady and questionable BUT..

..those terms: making the box
small enough so the '24.95 recurring' message JUST isnt visible
makes you a scammer.. period.

And what makes it even more sad: you deny it while a few days ago this 'business practise' was your main issue against 'that scammer Atherton'.

Until this day i thought you ran one of the better,
most innovative programs but this thread points out clearly
you are a fucking sad idiot. Really.

Ok.. tired and too much alcohol.. signing off...

These two quotes from this thread shows what kind of moron you are:


Ok.. so what you are saying is:
"Atherton is a scammer.. he uses the same tricks i just copied
BUT.. we deliver a REAL legitimate product with value".

A few posts later someone reminds you that those products
are basicly 'system' settings a user can turn on or off for free.
No $30 software needed for that.


Your reply:

You are a cheap Atherton ripoff.

if people are willing to pay for a product then let them.
geez if they cant read it then its their fault
take your $20 per signup and spend it.

if he gets chargeback then its on him, not u

no... its not their fault.. they CANT read it because its hidden.

See the difference?

lol...
Yeah that's it.....

Life is about a lot of things as you grow older you will see this :)

if its recurring shouldnt webmasters get MORE??? eg recurring as well.