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blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 02:36 PM

With all the new laws being passed in the US I'm starting to feel like we live in the old Russia.
I can't believe my thoughts; I've been considering living in another country. I just don't know how to go about it.
I started in South Carolina then New York then LA and Now Hawaii. I guess I'm trying to get out of the country and don't even know it.

Call me paranoid, I don't care. I just keep thinking that some how I will be sent to jail for drawing interracial cartoons.

I have this constent fear that I will be doing something that seems completly innocent but it will violate some new law that I have no idea about and I will get locked up for 10 years or some shit.

I'm getting scared as hell about living in America.

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 02:39 PM

I guess living in America you dont really notice it tho but i can tell you, me as an outsider i never seen the US change this much (in a scary, bad way) as in the last 2 years.

Brujah · 01-10-2004, 03:20 PM

I just got back from the bread line, it's COLD out there! Brrrrrrrrrr. Well, gotta go wait in the toilet paper line. Back later.

just a punk · 01-10-2004, 03:29 PM

Yep, a few of my Russian friends who came to the US many years ago are telling me the same things. They are still remember old Soviet times and now they see something similar in the US. Two friends already moved to Canada. They noticed a big press of propaganda in the USA. They also told me that new Russia now resembling the old USA and vice versa.

besterman · 01-10-2004, 03:35 PM

you guys are so dead wrong! The united states, despite it's problems, is one of the most liberal nations in the world. If you were in porn, you would be crazy not to want to be in this country. But it's not just the liberty, it's the enforcement and due process of law. Sure, go to Russia or whatever but what do you do when your contracts mean shit and everyone is so corrupt you can't have any business stability?

69pornlinks · 01-10-2004, 03:35 PM

This is true, it get worse every time i turn around, anyone who fail to see a comparsion is naive

TheJimmy · 01-10-2004, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by blackmonsters
With all the new laws being passed in the US I'm starting to feel like we live in the old Russia.
....

sadly I'd have to agree with you on this...

if I could talk my other half into it i'd be living part of the year in vancouver the other in chile....

this country is now run by facist christian taliban...

I never thought I'd talk shit about this country, but this new turn of events makes me sick...

:/

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by scorpion3600
you guys are so dead wrong! The united states, despite it's problems, is one of the most liberal nations in the world. If you were in porn, you would be crazy not to want to be in this country. But it's not just the liberty, it's the enforcement and due process of law. Sure, go to Russia or whatever but what do you do when your contracts mean shit and everyone is so corrupt you can't have any business stability?

Dude, if i was shooting girls and making porn sites in your country i would feel like a semi criminal. As a country i love America but their rules and witchhunts just scare me.

just a punk · 01-10-2004, 03:40 PM

Yes, I was in Amsterdam and can surely say: THIS IS A REAL DEMOCRACY and THIS IS A REAL FREEDOM. As about the USA, so its freedom is just a word but nothing else...

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 03:41 PM

And fuck your cops scare me.

They pull you over and point guns at you for nothing...
That shit is crazy and would never happen there.

And all the undercover stuff you guys have, entrapment, you name it...fucking crazy i tell you.
If you call that liberal then you are out of your mind.

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
Yes, I was in Amsterdam and can surely say: THIS IS A REAL DEMOCRACY and THIS IS A REAL FREEDOM. As about the USA, so its freedom is just a word but nothing else...

Dont get me wrong, there have to rules or else a country would go to shit but honestly, i traveled to A LOT of countries and America was by far the worst country when it comes to big brother. I feel better crossing the Thai border than the American border...which should be the other way around.

just a punk · 01-10-2004, 03:46 PM

So if you are looking for freedom and democracy - go to old good Europe (not to UK, which is just a 51'st state of the US). Go to the real Europe such as the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. There no one will repeat over and over again that you are free and you are living in the free country (like it reiterated in some countries) because you will be really free there!!!

As about Russia, so now it more and more close to the old Europe. It still away from the Netherlands and Germany but it at least moves in that direction.

Serge_Oprano · 01-10-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by blackmonsters

I'm getting scared as hell about living in America.

move

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberxxx
So if you are looking for freedom and democracy - go to old good Europe (not to UK, which is just a 51'st state of the USA). Go the the real Europe such as the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. There no one will repeat over and over again that you are free and you are living in the free country (like it reiterated in some countries) because you will be really free there!!!

As about Russia, so now it more and more close to the old Europe. It still away from the Netherlands and Germany but it at least moves in that direction.

Yup its funny, USA and talk of freedom, freedom of speech, democracy always go together but damn, its nowhere near these countries, and i really mean nowhere near!

marttali · 01-10-2004, 03:58 PM

Usa is going fast towards facism, very similar to Germany before World War II.

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Brujah
I just got back from the bread line, it's COLD out there! Brrrrrrrrrr. Well, gotta go wait in the toilet paper line. Back later.

Me too. BTW: Do you have any pictures in color?
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just a punk · 01-10-2004, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Dont get me wrong, there have to rules or else a country would go to shit but honestly, i traveled to A LOT of countries and America was by far the worst country when it comes to big brother. I feel better crossing the Thai border than the American border...which should be the other way around.

How about getting your fingerprints?

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

move

Give me the fucking money you stole with Netpond clicks and I will motherfucker.

Head · 01-10-2004, 04:21 PM

Wouldn't like to see the US down hill!

EscortBiz · 01-10-2004, 04:21 PM

Bin Laden said in one of his Videos that CNN aired his goal is to force the US Govt. to enslave the US people.

EscortBiz · 01-10-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by blackmonsters

Give me the fucking money you stole with Netpond clicks and I will motherfucker.

ok now this becomes interesting

Libertine · 01-10-2004, 04:25 PM

The US is still a democracy, and chances are Dubya's gonna be voted out of office.

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

ok now this becomes interesting

hehehe! You remeber that too?

EscortBiz · 01-10-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
The US is still a democracy, and chances are Dubya's gonna be voted out of office.

who do you think stands a good chance?

EscortBiz · 01-10-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by blackmonsters

hehehe! You remeber that too?

dont remember but usally anything related to serge and money ends up a 5 pge thread

Roger · 01-10-2004, 04:33 PM

Moving to Europe? Not that easy. Ben Laden ain't stupid, his next target is most probably Europe. So you can say goodbye to your Freedoms for good. It's the same crap everywhere. Most people everywhere are stupid and as long as Ben Laden can take advantage of that fact by using terror, he'll do so.

HarlotCash Dyker · 01-10-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
The US is still a democracy, and chances are Dubya's gonna be voted out of office.

How the fuck can you base democracy on holes and non holes in voting slips?

Get wise - Computerize!

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

dont remember but usally anything related to serge and money ends up a 5 pge thread

Well, I'm not even going to debate it with him.
I know what I'm owed and know he aint gonna pay.

CamChicks · 01-10-2004, 04:40 PM

Unlike many other countries in the developed world, where it is almost traditional to travel internationally soon after graduation, most americans will never stray outside their own borders; so they get no real firsthand experience of what the rest of the world is like, and can only form opinions based on what they were taught in school (not much) and what they see on TV (typically biased).

You pledge allegience to the flag every morning in school; proceed to learn about Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Paul Revere, Lewis and Clark, Slavery, the US Civil War, how approxiately a dozen Americans defeated the entire English army, then Hitlers army. And that about sums up all the world history you'll get, at least until college (university), if you attend.

Those with more worldly experience may have visited the 3rd world country below them, Mexico, or (what they consider) the 51st State above them, Canada. Some may consider Hawaii an international destination.

I would guess less than 1% of Americans have gone any further.

I have met a scary number of adults here who think that England is still ruled by the Queen and that the USA is the only country with 'Freedom' or 'Democracy' or toilet paper. They do try to give you that impression.

Call it patriotism or propaganda, but this country is more fanatically in love with itself than any other. It really puts itself on a pedastool. Flags on everything. Declarations of 'Land of the Free, Home of the Brave', 'These Colors Don't Run', and other silly solgans on billboards. Businesses even whore out 911 in radio commercials, using patriotism to push product. Politicans compete with eachother on how many times they can incorporate the phrase 'Greatest Nation On Earth' into their speeches. It would border on bizarre if you weren't so used to it.

So of course, with all that around them, a lot of people believe it.

But all the flag-waving and rhetoric would be no more than annoying, if not for the fact that it is blinding the population to abuses of power. America is not a facist regime Yet. I don't know that it ever could be. But they are certainly putting the tools in place to make that a possibility. And that's far more significant than the particular individual who happens to take office.

aleck · 01-10-2004, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Bin Laden said in one of his Videos that CNN aired his goal is to force the US Govt. to enslave the US people.

seems that this plan is going smoothly...

Dirty F · 01-10-2004, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CamChicks
Unlike many other countries in the developed world, where it is almost traditional to travel internationally soon after graduation, most americans will never stray outside their own borders; so they get no real firsthand experience of what the rest of the world is like, and can only form opinions based on what they were taught in school (not much) and what they see on TV (typically biased).

You pledge allegience to the flag every morning in school; proceed to learn about Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Paul Revere, Lewis and Clark, Slavery, the US Civil War, how approxiately a dozen Americans defeated the entire English army, then Hitlers army. And that about sums up all the world history you'll get, at least until college (university), if you attend.

Those with more worldly experience may have visited the 3rd world country below them, Mexico, or (what they consider) the 51st State above them, Canada. Some may consider Hawaii an international destination.

I would guess less than 1% of Americans have gone any further.

I have met a scary number of adults here who think that England is still ruled by the Queen and that the USA is the only country with 'Freedom' or 'Democracy' or toilet paper. They do try to give you that impression.

Call it patriotism or propaganda, but this country is more fanatically in love with itself than any other. It really puts itself on a pedastool. Flags on everything. Declarations of 'Land of the Free, Home of the Brave', 'These Colors Don't Run', and other silly solgans on billboards. Businesses even whore out 911 in radio commercials, using patriotism to push product. Politicans compete with eachother on how many times they can incorporate the phrase 'Greatest Nation On Earth' into their speeches. It would border on bizarre if you weren't so used to it.

So of course, with all that around them, a lot of people believe it.

But all the flag-waving and rhetoric would be no more than annoying, if not for the fact that it is blinding the population to abuses of power. America is not a facist regime Yet. I don't know that it ever could be. But they are certainly putting the tools in place to make that a possibility. And that's far more significant than the particular individual who happens to take office.

Everything i think, you said it. Post of the month. Thanks.

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
Some may consider Hawaii an international destination.

I hear this line from tourist here all the time "Bye, I'm leaving tommorow to go back to America".

Dumb ass MoFo's are bringing their passport here!!!

just a punk · 01-10-2004, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
Moving to Europe? Not that easy. Ben Laden ain't stupid, his next target is most probably Europe. So you can say goodbye to your Freedoms for good. It's the same crap everywhere. Most people everywhere are stupid and as long as Ben Laden can take advantage of that fact by using terror, he'll do so.

I wonder how badly you're afraid of Ben Laden... Is that possible if only one person like he was able to screw all the celebrated US democracy??? He was able to break you all??? Isn't that mean that such a democracy was toooooooooo weak?... BTW, don't forget who have rised Ben Laden... He is a child of the same system... He is a brood of CIA which is a part of the US democracy. Next time just think that you are talking about!

Shoehorn! · 01-10-2004, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blackmonsters
With all the new laws being passed in the US I'm starting to feel like we live in the old Russia.
I can't believe my thoughts; I've been considering living in another country. I just don't know how to go about it.
I started in South Carolina then New York then LA and Now Hawaii. I guess I'm trying to get out of the country and don't even know it.

Call me paranoid, I don't care. I just keep thinking that some how I will be sent to jail for drawing interracial cartoons.

I have this constent fear that I will be doing something that seems completly innocent but it will violate some new law that I have no idea about and I will get locked up for 10 years or some shit.

I'm getting scared as hell about living in America.

Where in Hawaii do you live? Hawaii is like Japan.

Rorschach · 01-10-2004, 05:07 PM

Incidently there was an article posted on slashdot yesterday saying that there were over 2 millin wiretaps in 2002 (the last year they had data for, so just imagine how many there were in 2003), at a cost of around $70 million.

EscortBiz · 01-10-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rorschach
Incidently there was an article posted on slashdot yesterday saying that there were over 2 millin wiretaps in 2002 (the last year they had data for, so just imagine how many there were in 2003), at a cost of around $70 million.

2 million wiretaps in the US?

blackmonsters · 01-10-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom

Where in Hawaii do you live? Hawaii is like Japan.

Mazu, Kimi wa, doko de sunde imasu ka?

Let's see what you know.

just a punk · 01-10-2004, 05:12 PM

IMHO there is a wrong name for this topic. Is should be titled: "We live in the Soviet Union!!!"

Libertine · 01-10-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

who do you think stands a good chance?

Tough question.
Clark could do really well, but he lacks political experience and proper preparation.
Dean seems to have the best chance of becoming the democratic candidate, but he probably has less chance than Clark of defeating Bush.

Dean with Clark as his running mate would probably be the Democrats' best bet. Dean needs Clark's military credibility in the current situation, and Clark needs Dean's political experience.

The problem is that there aren't any Democrats with real appeal. Some could do well as VP's, but none have a presidential image. Although that could still change during the campaign, it's a pretty big problem.

The one thing that the Democrats have on their side is the aversion against Bush most liberals have. I suspect more will vote than usual, and many who would otherwise vote for the Green Party will vote Democratic simply to drive Bush out of office. It's doubtful if that will be enough though.

Rorschach · 01-10-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

2 million wiretaps in the US?

That's only for internal wiretaps, it doesn't count ones authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

http://www.globetechnology.com/servl...ry/Technology/

ThunderBalls · 01-10-2004, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberxxx
I wonder how badly you're afraid of Ben Laden... Is that possible if only one person like he was able to screw all the celebrated US democracy??? He was able to break you all??? Isn't that mean that such a democracy was toooooooooo weak?... BTW, don't forget who have rised Ben Laden... He is a child of the same system... He is a brood of CIA which is a part of the US democracy. Next time just think that you are talking about!

Ben Laden? Any relation to Gentle Ben?

Shoehorn! · 01-10-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blackmonsters

Mazu, Kimi wa, doko de sunde imasu ka?

Let's see what you know.

WTF? Jag talar engelska och svenska. Have no desire to learn Japanese.

rebel23 · 01-10-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
So if you are looking for freedom and democracy - go to old good Europe (not to UK, which is just a 51'st state of the US). Go to the real Europe such as the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. There no one will repeat over and over again that you are free and you are living in the free country (like it reiterated in some countries) because you will be really free there!!!

do you want to pay their taxes too?

I hope President Bush will open up immigration so good minded Europeans can flea the on coming EU dictatorship, a new cold war and new iron curtain...

MadCap · 01-10-2004, 08:16 PM

USA baby

Swanks · 01-10-2004, 09:33 PM

Hooy na ny!

just a punk · 01-11-2004, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by rebel23

do you want to pay their taxes too?

I hope President Bush will open up immigration so good minded Europeans can flea the on coming EU dictatorship, a new cold war and new iron curtain...

Yep, I really want to pay their taxes too!!!! Do you know that in the Netherlands they have a FREE medicine - a really GOOD one! A friend of mine has a serious heart disease when he was a child. His live was limited by 2-3 months only. That time he has an operation. Now he is 27 and feel pretty good. He has a good job and girlfriend and he is happy with his life. I asked him a question: "how much his family did pay for that operation, medicines etc?". He told me: "NOTHING, because it's free in the Netherlands!!!" The same is about many things there... Now about the USA. How much PERSONALLY you do pay to your stomatologist? And what you will do if your little son will be birth with some terrible disorder (I never wish this happen, but just imagine such a possibility)??? Do you think that uncle Sam will help you?..

BTW, a few words regarding the taxes. Do you know the level of income-tax in "wooden, retarded" Russia? I'll tell you some small secret. It's only 13%. You may believe me or not, but that's TRUE. So don't be fooled by your domestic mass-media which tells you every day the same shit: "you live in the world's best country! you are free! our government is not watching for you, but it just protects you. you do have the world's lowest taxes... there are no interracial conflicts... there are practically no crime and unemployment... bla-bla-bla... bla-bla-bla..." Once again! Have your own point of view and don't be manipulated by your government's propaganda.

JUST OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!

- Jesus Christ - · 01-11-2004, 05:31 AM

More jobs were lost in 2003 then were ever lost in a single year since the great depression. I want to start a political movement to "overthrow" and overhaul the current form of governement. Bloated beurocrats, unnecessary expendatures, and the "save big business mentality" need to be eliminated. By pen or sword.

.......hey whos knocking at my door.

jds · 01-11-2004, 07:12 AM

Are there still any democracy in the world ? I thought that was capitalism that ruled now ...

EscortBiz · 01-11-2004, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach

That's only for internal wiretaps, it doesn't count ones authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

http://www.globetechnology.com/servl...ry/Technology/

thanks

Lev · 01-11-2004, 10:45 AM

First of all you mean to say the old Soviet Union and not Russia, BIG difference. Second of all, this coutry is a freedom paradise compared to the old SU, where even a slightest criticism of the old uncle Stalin could get you end up in Siberia.

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	Yep, a few of my Russian friends who came to the US many years ago are telling me the same things. They are still remember old Soviet times and now they see something similar in the US. Two friends already moved to Canada. They noticed a big press of propaganda in the USA. They also told me that new Russia now resembling the old USA and vice versa. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	Yes, I was in Amsterdam and can surely say: THIS IS A REAL DEMOCRACY and THIS IS A REAL FREEDOM. As about the USA, so its freedom is just a word but nothing else... __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I guess living in America you dont really notice it tho but i can tell you, me as an outsider i never seen the US change this much (in a scary, bad way) as in the last 2 years.

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besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	you guys are so dead wrong! The united states, despite it's problems, is one of the most liberal nations in the world. If you were in porn, you would be crazy not to want to be in this country. But it's not just the liberty, it's the enforcement and due process of law. Sure, go to Russia or whatever but what do you do when your contracts mean shit and everyone is so corrupt you can't have any business stability?

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	And fuck your cops scare me. They pull you over and point guns at you for nothing... That shit is crazy and would never happen there. And all the undercover stuff you guys have, entrapment, you name it...fucking crazy i tell you. If you call that liberal then you are out of your mind. Last edited by Dirty F; 01-10-2004 at 03:43 PM..

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	So if you are looking for freedom and democracy - go to old good Europe (not to UK, which is just a 51'st state of the US). Go to the real Europe such as the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. There no one will repeat over and over again that you are free and you are living in the free country (like it reiterated in some countries) because you will be really free there!!! As about Russia, so now it more and more close to the old Europe. It still away from the Netherlands and Germany but it at least moves in that direction. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	Moving to Europe? Not that easy. Ben Laden ain't stupid, his next target is most probably Europe. So you can say goodbye to your Freedoms for good. It's the same crap everywhere. Most people everywhere are stupid and as long as Ben Laden can take advantage of that fact by using terror, he'll do so. Last edited by Roger; 01-10-2004 at 04:39 PM..

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CamChicks Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: godless northwest Posts: 1,552	Unlike many other countries in the developed world, where it is almost traditional to travel internationally soon after graduation, most americans will never stray outside their own borders; so they get no real firsthand experience of what the rest of the world is like, and can only form opinions based on what they were taught in school (not much) and what they see on TV (typically biased). You pledge allegience to the flag every morning in school; proceed to learn about Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Paul Revere, Lewis and Clark, Slavery, the US Civil War, how approxiately a dozen Americans defeated the entire English army, then Hitlers army. And that about sums up all the world history you'll get, at least until college (university), if you attend. Those with more worldly experience may have visited the 3rd world country below them, Mexico, or (what they consider) the 51st State above them, Canada. Some may consider Hawaii an international destination. I would guess less than 1% of Americans have gone any further. I have met a scary number of adults here who think that England is still ruled by the Queen and that the USA is the only country with 'Freedom' or 'Democracy' or toilet paper. They do try to give you that impression. Call it patriotism or propaganda, but this country is more fanatically in love with itself than any other. It really puts itself on a pedastool. Flags on everything. Declarations of 'Land of the Free, Home of the Brave', 'These Colors Don't Run', and other silly solgans on billboards. Businesses even whore out 911 in radio commercials, using patriotism to push product. Politicans compete with eachother on how many times they can incorporate the phrase 'Greatest Nation On Earth' into their speeches. It would border on bizarre if you weren't so used to it. So of course, with all that around them, a lot of people believe it. But all the flag-waving and rhetoric would be no more than annoying, if not for the fact that it is blinding the population to abuses of power. America is not a facist regime Yet. I don't know that it ever could be. But they are certainly putting the tools in place to make that a possibility. And that's far more significant than the particular individual who happens to take office. __________________ camchicks.com

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01-11-2004, 05:31 AM	#47
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	More jobs were lost in 2003 then were ever lost in a single year since the great depression. I want to start a political movement to "overthrow" and overhaul the current form of governement. Bloated beurocrats, unnecessary expendatures, and the "save big business mentality" need to be eliminated. By pen or sword. .......hey whos knocking at my door. __________________ Amen Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 01-11-2004 at 05:35 AM..

01-11-2004, 07:12 AM	#48
jds Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dozule Posts: 362	Are there still any democracy in the world ? I thought that was capitalism that ruled now ... __________________ Nico icq#239781564

01-11-2004, 10:45 AM	#50
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	First of all you mean to say the old Soviet Union and not Russia, BIG difference. Second of all, this coutry is a freedom paradise compared to the old SU, where even a slightest criticism of the old uncle Stalin could get you end up in Siberia.