We live in Russia!!!
 

With all the new laws being passed in the US I'm starting to feel like we live in the old Russia.
I can't believe my thoughts; I've been considering living in another country. I just don't know how to go about it.
I started in South Carolina then New York then LA and Now Hawaii. I guess I'm trying to get out of the country and don't even know it.

Call me paranoid, I don't care. I just keep thinking that some how I will be sent to jail for drawing interracial cartoons.

I have this constent fear that I will be doing something that seems completly innocent but it will violate some new law that I have no idea about and I will get locked up for 10 years or some shit.

I'm getting scared as hell about living in America.

I guess living in America you dont really notice it tho but i can tell you, me as an outsider i never seen the US change this much (in a scary, bad way) as in the last 2 years.

I just got back from the bread line, it's COLD out there! Brrrrrrrrrr. Well, gotta go wait in the toilet paper line. Back later.

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Yep, a few of my Russian friends who came to the US many years ago are telling me the same things. They are still remember old Soviet times and now they see something similar in the US. Two friends already moved to Canada. They noticed a big press of propaganda in the USA. They also told me that new Russia now resembling the old USA and vice versa.

you guys are so dead wrong! The united states, despite it's problems, is one of the most liberal nations in the world. If you were in porn, you would be crazy not to want to be in this country. But it's not just the liberty, it's the enforcement and due process of law. Sure, go to Russia or whatever but what do you do when your contracts mean shit and everyone is so corrupt you can't have any business stability?

This is true, it get worse every time i turn around, anyone who fail to see a comparsion is naive

sadly I'd have to agree with you on this...


if I could talk my other half into it i'd be living part of the year in vancouver the other in chile....


this country is now run by facist christian taliban...


I never thought I'd talk shit about this country, but this new turn of events makes me sick...




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Dude, if i was shooting girls and making porn sites in your country i would feel like a semi criminal. As a country i love America but their rules and witchhunts just scare me.

Yes, I was in Amsterdam and can surely say: THIS IS A REAL DEMOCRACY and THIS IS A REAL FREEDOM. As about the USA, so its freedom is just a word but nothing else...

And fuck your cops scare me.

They pull you over and point guns at you for nothing...
That shit is crazy and would never happen there.

And all the undercover stuff you guys have, entrapment, you name it...fucking crazy i tell you.
If you call that liberal then you are out of your mind.

Dont get me wrong, there have to rules or else a country would go to shit but honestly, i traveled to A LOT of countries and America was by far the worst country when it comes to big brother. I feel better crossing the Thai border than the American border...which should be the other way around.

So if you are looking for freedom and democracy - go to old good Europe (not to UK, which is just a 51'st state of the US). Go to the real Europe such as the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. There no one will repeat over and over again that you are free and you are living in the free country (like it reiterated in some countries) because you will be really free there!!!

As about Russia, so now it more and more close to the old Europe. It still away from the Netherlands and Germany but it at least moves in that direction.

move

Yup its funny, USA and talk of freedom, freedom of speech, democracy always go together but damn, its nowhere near these countries, and i really mean nowhere near!

Usa is going fast towards facism, very similar to Germany before World War II.

Me too. BTW: Do you have any pictures in color?
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How about getting your fingerprints? :)

Give me the fucking money you stole with Netpond clicks and I will motherfucker.

Wouldn't like to see the US down hill!

Bin Laden said in one of his Videos that CNN aired his goal is to force the US Govt. to enslave the US people.

ok now this becomes interesting

The US is still a democracy, and chances are Dubya's gonna be voted out of office.

hehehe! You remeber that too?

who do you think stands a good chance?

dont remember but usally anything related to serge and money ends up a 5 pge thread

Moving to Europe? Not that easy. Ben Laden ain't stupid, his next target is most probably Europe. So you can say goodbye to your Freedoms for good. It's the same crap everywhere. Most people everywhere are stupid and as long as Ben Laden can take advantage of that fact by using terror, he'll do so.

How the fuck can you base democracy on holes and non holes in voting slips?

Get wise - Computerize!

Well, I'm not even going to debate it with him.
I know what I'm owed and know he aint gonna pay.

Unlike many other countries in the developed world, where it is almost traditional to travel internationally soon after graduation, most americans will never stray outside their own borders; so they get no real firsthand experience of what the rest of the world is like, and can only form opinions based on what they were taught in school (not much) and what they see on TV (typically biased).

You pledge allegience to the flag every morning in school; proceed to learn about Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Paul Revere, Lewis and Clark, Slavery, the US Civil War, how approxiately a dozen Americans defeated the entire English army, then Hitlers army. And that about sums up all the world history you'll get, at least until college (university), if you attend.

Those with more worldly experience may have visited the 3rd world country below them, Mexico, or (what they consider) the 51st State above them, Canada. Some may consider Hawaii an international destination.

I would guess less than 1% of Americans have gone any further.

I have met a scary number of adults here who think that England is still ruled by the Queen and that the USA is the only country with 'Freedom' or 'Democracy' or toilet paper. They do try to give you that impression.

Call it patriotism or propaganda, but this country is more fanatically in love with itself than any other. It really puts itself on a pedastool. Flags on everything. Declarations of 'Land of the Free, Home of the Brave', 'These Colors Don't Run', and other silly solgans on billboards. Businesses even whore out 911 in radio commercials, using patriotism to push product. Politicans compete with eachother on how many times they can incorporate the phrase 'Greatest Nation On Earth' into their speeches. It would border on bizarre if you weren't so used to it.

So of course, with all that around them, a lot of people believe it.

But all the flag-waving and rhetoric would be no more than annoying, if not for the fact that it is blinding the population to abuses of power. America is not a facist regime Yet. I don't know that it ever could be. But they are certainly putting the tools in place to make that a possibility. And that's far more significant than the particular individual who happens to take office. :2 cents:

seems that this plan is going smoothly...:(

Everything i think, you said it. Post of the month. Thanks.

I hear this line from tourist here all the time "Bye, I'm leaving tommorow to go back to America".:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dumb ass MoFo's are bringing their passport here!!!:1orglaugh

I wonder how badly you're afraid of Ben Laden... Is that possible if only one person like he was able to screw all the celebrated US democracy??? He was able to break you all??? Isn't that mean that such a democracy was toooooooooo weak?... BTW, don't forget who have rised Ben Laden... He is a child of the same system... He is a brood of CIA which is a part of the US democracy. Next time just think that you are talking about!

Where in Hawaii do you live? Hawaii is like Japan.

Incidently there was an article posted on slashdot yesterday saying that there were over 2 millin wiretaps in 2002 (the last year they had data for, so just imagine how many there were in 2003), at a cost of around $70 million.

2 million wiretaps in the US?

Mazu, Kimi wa, doko de sunde imasu ka?

Let's see what you know.

IMHO there is a wrong name for this topic. Is should be titled: "We live in the Soviet Union!!!"

Tough question.
Clark could do really well, but he lacks political experience and proper preparation.
Dean seems to have the best chance of becoming the democratic candidate, but he probably has less chance than Clark of defeating Bush.

Dean with Clark as his running mate would probably be the Democrats' best bet. Dean needs Clark's military credibility in the current situation, and Clark needs Dean's political experience.

The problem is that there aren't any Democrats with real appeal. Some could do well as VP's, but none have a presidential image. Although that could still change during the campaign, it's a pretty big problem.

The one thing that the Democrats have on their side is the aversion against Bush most liberals have. I suspect more will vote than usual, and many who would otherwise vote for the Green Party will vote Democratic simply to drive Bush out of office. It's doubtful if that will be enough though.

That's only for internal wiretaps, it doesn't count ones authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

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Ben Laden? Any relation to Gentle Ben?
:1orglaugh

WTF? Jag talar engelska och svenska. Have no desire to learn Japanese.

do you want to pay their taxes too? :Graucho

I hope President Bush will open up immigration so good minded Europeans can flea the on coming EU dictatorship, a new cold war and new iron curtain...

:thumbsup USA baby

Hooy na ny!

Yep, I really want to pay their taxes too!!!! Do you know that in the Netherlands they have a FREE medicine - a really GOOD one! A friend of mine has a serious heart disease when he was a child. His live was limited by 2-3 months only. That time he has an operation. Now he is 27 and feel pretty good. He has a good job and girlfriend and he is happy with his life. I asked him a question: "how much his family did pay for that operation, medicines etc?". He told me: "NOTHING, because it's free in the Netherlands!!!" The same is about many things there... Now about the USA. How much PERSONALLY you do pay to your stomatologist? And what you will do if your little son will be birth with some terrible disorder (I never wish this happen, but just imagine such a possibility)??? Do you think that uncle Sam will help you?..

BTW, a few words regarding the taxes. Do you know the level of income-tax in "wooden, retarded" Russia? I'll tell you some small secret. It's only 13%. You may believe me or not, but that's TRUE. So don't be fooled by your domestic mass-media which tells you every day the same shit: "you live in the world's best country! you are free! our government is not watching for you, but it just protects you. you do have the world's lowest taxes... there are no interracial conflicts... there are practically no crime and unemployment... bla-bla-bla... bla-bla-bla..." Once again! Have your own point of view and don't be manipulated by your government's propaganda.

JUST OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!

More jobs were lost in 2003 then were ever lost in a single year since the great depression. I want to start a political movement to "overthrow" and overhaul the current form of governement. Bloated beurocrats, unnecessary expendatures, and the "save big business mentality" need to be eliminated. By pen or sword.







.......hey whos knocking at my door.

Are there still any democracy in the world ? I thought that was capitalism that ruled now ...

thanks

First of all you mean to say the old Soviet Union and not Russia, BIG difference. Second of all, this coutry is a freedom paradise compared to the old SU, where even a slightest criticism of the old uncle Stalin could get you end up in Siberia.