Gore Vidal says the Founding Fathers would have HUNG Bush! - GoFuckYourself.com

ThunderBalls · 01-02-2004, 09:44 PM

Very interesting reading.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17442

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 09:45 PM

He is an atheist.

and a good writer.

i remember reading his essay on legalization in college, i think he changes his opinions every decade though

hahaha

nathan_f · 01-02-2004, 09:51 PM

I'd give em a hand.

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 09:53 PM

'Once you have a business community that is so corrupt in a society whose business is business, then what you have is, indeed, despotism. It is the sort of authoritarian rule that the Bush people have given us. The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with ? even using much of the same language. In one of my earlier books, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, I show how the language used by the Clinton people to frighten Americans into going after terrorists like Timothy McVeigh ? how their rights were going to be suspended only for a brief time ? was precisely the language used by Hitler after the Reichstag fire.'

READ.

- Jesus Christ - · 01-02-2004, 09:55 PM

Lets not forget pariot act II: the new breed.

That was signed into law quietly the day of saddams capture.

OOOOOPSSS!!!.... I didnt see that constitution sitting there and I spilled my coffee all over it..... WOOOPSY.... I was cleaning it and it tore apart, better throw it out.

Thanks Georgy boy, I've been wathign to ditch that usless thing!

ThunderBalls · 01-02-2004, 09:57 PM

Q. Speaking of elections, is George W. Bush going to be re-elected next year?

A. No. At least if there is a fair election, an election that is not electronic. That would be dangerous. We don't want an election without a paper trail. The makers of the voting machines say no one can look inside of them, because they would reveal trade secrets. What secrets? Isn't their job to count votes? Or do they get secret messages from Mars? Is the cure for cancer inside the machines? I mean, come on. And all three owners of the companies who make these machines are donors to the Bush administration. Is this not corruption?

Pleasurepays · 01-02-2004, 09:58 PM

Gore Vidal is certainly a well balanced and objective person to be commenting on Conservative politics.

what did you think he would say? he is anti government and half communist.

rooster · 01-02-2004, 10:03 PM

already getting the excuses ready for when bush kicks mcgovern err deans ass.

i was disenfranchised !

- Jesus Christ - · 01-02-2004, 10:05 PM

Bush is a nazi tool and dean has no neck. WTF

Vote for me '04

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Lets not forget pariot act II: the new breed.

That was signed into law quietly the day of saddams capture.

Quote:

I have read not only the first PATRIOT Act but also the second one, which has not yet been totally made public nor approved by Congress and to which there is already great resistance. An American citizen can be fingered as a terrorist, and with what proof? No proof. All you need is the word of the attorney general or maybe the president himself. You can then be locked up without access to a lawyer, and then tried by military tribunal and even executed. Or, in a brand-new wrinkle, you can be exiled, stripped of your citizenship and packed off to another place not even organized as a country ? like Tierra del Fuego or some rock in the Pacific. All of this is in the USA PATRIOT Act. The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Hanged.

So if George W. Bush or John Ashhahahahaha had been around in the early days of the republic, they would have been indicted and then hanged by the Founders?

No. It would have been better and worse. [Laughs] Bush and Ashhahahahaha would have been considered so disreputable as to not belong in this country at all. They might be invited to go down to Bolivia or Paraguay and take part in the military administration of some Spanish colony, where they would feel so much more at home. They would not be called Americans ? most Americans would not think of them as citizens.

Do you not think of Bush and Ashhahahahaha as Americans?

I think of them as an alien army. They have managed to take over everything, and quite in the open. We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process.

Mike AI · 01-02-2004, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pleasurepays
Gore Vidal is certainly a well balanced and objective person to be commenting on Conservative politics.

what did you think he would say? he is anti government and half communist.

He is FULLY communist!

The Truth Hurts · 01-02-2004, 10:40 PM

cause i'm too lazy to look....

who the fuck is Gore Vidal, and why does anyone care what he thinks?

Mike AI · 01-02-2004, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
already getting the excuses ready for when bush kicks mcgovern err deans ass.

i was disenfranchised !

HAHAHA PEARL!

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
cause i'm too lazy to look....

who the fuck is Gore Vidal, and why does anyone care what he thinks?

a great writer who has lived through administration, after administration and has analyzed them all.

i like reading his stuff.

he has been one of my favorites since my first week in college, my teacher was glad to introduce us to his work in english class from the very start. and i am thankful, even now reading this interview today...

geez that was a decade ago now.

he has been published since 1946, try reading some of his stuff sometime.

http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/vidalframe.html

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 10:46 PM

for those that dont know either.

Gore Made an appearance in 'Without Honors' and is the teacher Pesci tells off during his 'president' speech in class...

good scene.

hottoddy · 01-02-2004, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
He is an atheist.

and a good writer.

...

True. Although "Commie Fag" would be a better label. That guy has no political credibility.

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hottoddy

True. Although "Commie Fag" would be a better label. That guy has no political credibility.

of course not, but YOU do... hahaha

publish 50 years of books and then speak

go listen to Rush L and hope (pray if youre christian) for electronic ballots.

Pornwolf · 01-02-2004, 10:55 PM

Great article. He's right, as soon as the Muslims get their Saladin, they will unleash the smackdown on our candy asses. We are really fucking up right now more than we realize. Gore puts it in perspective.

The Truth Hurts · 01-02-2004, 10:57 PM

no need for electronic ballots..
dems will eat each other alive before the election gets close..
Bush won't even have to campaign..

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 10:59 PM

also, he has ran for congress, and his family has a history most american families do not. coming from a line of a senator and other political figures, id say he knows a thing or two, and is more than capable of shaping an opinion on things, hell EVERY american is entitled to this form of expression.

'Vidal's grandfather, Thomas P. Gore, was a popular (and populist) senator from Oklahoma - the state's first senator, and the Senate's first blind member. He served from 1907-1920 and again from 1931-37, losing in '36 because of his opposition to the popular FDR. As a child, the young Vidal would often accompany his grandfather to the floor of the Senate, occasionally being permitted to sit in the chair reserved for the vice president.'

http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/politics.html

instead of being held over an alligator mouth, he was on the floor of the senate as a child....

hottoddy · 01-02-2004, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

of course not, but YOU do... hahaha

publish 50 years of books and then speak

go listen to Rush L and hope (pray if youre christian) for electronic ballots.

I think you may live too close to Art Bell ...

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2004, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hottoddy

I think you may live too close to Art Bell ...

this has nothing to do with this thread, topic, or anything for that matter.

you said he has no political credibility.

you were wrong, side step and avoid all you want.

the guy was serving this country at age 17, were you at that age?

hahaha

dont answer that.

i care not to argue with you, since you clearly have no clue about the subject...

http://books.guardian.co.uk/departme...090427,00.html

404 · 01-03-2004, 12:32 AM

it's interesting seeing what independent news/opinion websites come up with sometimes

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html
http://www.axisoflogic.com

is this internet thing good or what?

DavePlays · 01-03-2004, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Q. Speaking of elections, is George W. Bush going to be re-elected next year?

A. No. At least if there is a fair election, an election that is not electronic. That would be dangerous. We don't want an election without a paper trail. The makers of the voting machines say no one can look inside of them, because they would reveal trade secrets. What secrets? Isn't their job to count votes? Or do they get secret messages from Mars? Is the cure for cancer inside the machines? I mean, come on. And all three owners of the companies who make these machines are donors to the Bush administration. Is this not corruption?

I needed a good laugh tonight.....

pamphage · 01-03-2004, 12:47 AM

i like his non-political stuff like myra brekenridge. that book is hilarious

i also like his screenplay for caligula (even though he later wanted his name off the movie credits, there is still quite a bit of his genius in the script).

quantum-x · 01-03-2004, 12:51 AM

don't you mean hanged?

Square One · 01-03-2004, 12:57 AM

Square One says the Founding Fathers would've banned ThunderBalls!

Very interesting reading.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com

goBigtime · 01-03-2004, 01:07 AM

Eletronic voting = Bush wins.

There will be no more missing ballot boxes, hanging chads, recounts or too-close elections.

Considering the situation with the developers of the software & the fact that it is not open source, with technical committees (computer geeks) from all sides able to evaluate the system - then there is no democracy.

When the software company that makes the voting software goes balistic when even a operation manuals get published, let alone opt'ing for a open source voting system AND they are strong supporters of one candidate - then its going to be rigged. Period.

Why shouldn't our voting system be open source?

Well over half of the internet is ran by open source software (the secure half I might add -- as MS products get you owned.)

And I guarantee that if the voting platform was open source, every coder in the world is going to come out of the woodwork to audit it & make suggestions to make it more secure.

Hell, the people should be explained the above and allowed to vote (the old way) on what type of voting system they would like -- open source, or private voting systems created and maintained by republicans.

If it were democrats that were creating the voting system like this the republicans would be having a shit fit.

But no... can't have that. That will fuck up the master plan.

Mr.Fiction · 01-03-2004, 01:13 AM

Anyone who disagrees with every word Bush says is a commie fag!

Centurion · 01-03-2004, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
cause i'm too lazy to look....

who the fuck is Gore Vidal, and why does anyone care what he thinks?

It's Al Gore's new shampoo line.

ThunderBalls · 01-03-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

I needed a good laugh tonight.....

I'm sorry you see no problem with a company that supports the republican party making an electronic voting machine with no checks and balances. Guess you like the idea of a government totally fucking you in the ass.

Fletch XXX · 01-03-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

I'm sorry you see no problem with a company that supports the republican party making an electronic voting machine with no checks and balances. Guess you like the idea of a government totally fucking you in the ass.

Exactly, do they not realize the companies that make the electronic ballots donate to BUSH campaigns?

if that isnt bullshit, what is?

Im going to try and get more info on this though, id like to know more about who these ballot machine makers are, and how much exactly, do they donate to Bush.

SuckOnThis · 01-03-2004, 11:42 AM

Thank god we have people speaking truth.

"Do you not think of Bush and Ashhahahahaha as Americans?"

"I think of them as an alien army. They have managed to take over everything, and quite in the open. We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process."

ThunderBalls · 01-03-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Exactly, do they not realize the companies that make the electronic ballots donate to BUSH campaigns?

if that isnt bullshit, what is?

Yea I don't get it. I'm sure some of these people want the republicans to stay in power so bad that they actually like the idea, and others are just so naive they refuse to believe anyone would be so corrupt.

Mike AI · 01-03-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion

It's Al Gore's new shampoo line.

Maru · 01-03-2004, 12:02 PM

How do you think the current war in Iraq is going to play out?

I think we will go down the tubes right with it. With each action Bush ever more enrages the Muslims. And there are a billion of them. And sooner or later they will have a Saladin who will pull them together, and they will come after us. And it won't be pretty.

[/QUOTE]
USA, having sold her soul to the Jews, has no choice.

WW3 - the final one - will ensue.

01-02-2004, 09:44 PM	#1
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	Gore Vidal says the Founding Fathers would have HUNG Bush! Very interesting reading. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17442

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	He is an atheist. and a good writer. i remember reading his essay on legalization in college, i think he changes his opinions every decade though hahaha __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	'Once you have a business community that is so corrupt in a society whose business is business, then what you have is, indeed, despotism. It is the sort of authoritarian rule that the Bush people have given us. The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with ? even using much of the same language. In one of my earlier books, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, I show how the language used by the Clinton people to frighten Americans into going after terrorists like Timothy McVeigh ? how their rights were going to be suspended only for a brief time ? was precisely the language used by Hitler after the Reichstag fire.' READ. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	Q. Speaking of elections, is George W. Bush going to be re-elected next year? A. No. At least if there is a fair election, an election that is not electronic. That would be dangerous. We don't want an election without a paper trail. The makers of the voting machines say no one can look inside of them, because they would reveal trade secrets. What secrets? Isn't their job to count votes? Or do they get secret messages from Mars? Is the cure for cancer inside the machines? I mean, come on. And all three owners of the companies who make these machines are donors to the Bush administration. Is this not corruption?

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Gore Vidal is certainly a well balanced and objective person to be commenting on Conservative politics. what did you think he would say? he is anti government and half communist.

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The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,306	cause i'm too lazy to look.... who the fuck is Gore Vidal, and why does anyone care what he thinks?

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	for those that dont know either. Gore Made an appearance in 'Without Honors' and is the teacher Pesci tells off during his 'president' speech in class... good scene. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Great article. He's right, as soon as the Muslims get their Saladin, they will unleash the smackdown on our candy asses. We are really fucking up right now more than we realize. Gore puts it in perspective. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-02-2004, 10:57 PM	#19
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,306	no need for electronic ballots.. dems will eat each other alive before the election gets close.. Bush won't even have to campaign..

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	also, he has ran for congress, and his family has a history most american families do not. coming from a line of a senator and other political figures, id say he knows a thing or two, and is more than capable of shaping an opinion on things, hell EVERY american is entitled to this form of expression. 'Vidal's grandfather, Thomas P. Gore, was a popular (and populist) senator from Oklahoma - the state's first senator, and the Senate's first blind member. He served from 1907-1920 and again from 1931-37, losing in '36 because of his opposition to the popular FDR. As a child, the young Vidal would often accompany his grandfather to the floor of the Senate, occasionally being permitted to sit in the chair reserved for the vice president.' http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/politics.html instead of being held over an alligator mouth, he was on the floor of the senate as a child.... __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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404 Confirmed abUser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage Posts: 1,154	it's interesting seeing what independent news/opinion websites come up with sometimes http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html http://www.axisoflogic.com is this internet thing good or what? __________________ (b] cheap hmtl programer for hire (/b)

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01-03-2004, 01:07 AM	#28
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Eletronic voting = Bush wins. There will be no more missing ballot boxes, hanging chads, recounts or too-close elections. Considering the situation with the developers of the software & the fact that it is not open source, with technical committees (computer geeks) from all sides able to evaluate the system - then there is no democracy. When the software company that makes the voting software goes balistic when even a operation manuals get published, let alone opt'ing for a open source voting system AND they are strong supporters of one candidate - then its going to be rigged. Period. Why shouldn't our voting system be open source? Well over half of the internet is ran by open source software (the secure half I might add -- as MS products get you owned.) And I guarantee that if the voting platform was open source, every coder in the world is going to come out of the woodwork to audit it & make suggestions to make it more secure. Hell, the people should be explained the above and allowed to vote (the old way) on what type of voting system they would like -- open source, or private voting systems created and maintained by republicans. If it were democrats that were creating the voting system like this the republicans would be having a shit fit. But no... can't have that. That will fuck up the master plan. Last edited by goBigtime; 01-03-2004 at 01:11 AM..

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SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Thank god we have people speaking truth. "Do you not think of Bush and Ashhahahahaha as Americans?" "I think of them as an alien army. They have managed to take over everything, and quite in the open. We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process."

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Maru Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 918	How do you think the current war in Iraq is going to play out? I think we will go down the tubes right with it. With each action Bush ever more enrages the Muslims. And there are a billion of them. And sooner or later they will have a Saladin who will pull them together, and they will come after us. And it won't be pretty. [/QUOTE] USA, having sold her soul to the Jews, has no choice. WW3 - the final one - will ensue.